Pai Pai Master
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It's piracy so yeah we shouldnt just be sharing it willy-nilly.
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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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It's piracy so yeah we shouldnt just be sharing it willy-nilly.
The triple quick would have been better by having been followed and followed more Cap vs Panther fighting on the same scene rather than it awkwardly being being the only attack done on a cut to scene between those two.
Secret Character
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I saw this last night with my girlfriend and some of her family. I thought it was a really fun ride. My thoughts:
- The opening fight scene in Africa was on par with the opening fight scene in TWS. The shaky cam, quick cuts, and extreme close-ups were not good though.
- Black Panther was handled well. They gave enough back story that they hopefully won't have to do too much origin work in his solo movie. Also, his mastery of combat was captured well. The costume looked incredible in motion.
- Spider-Man was a treat. His lines were mostly on point and the actor playing him was alright. I'm just finally glad they got a kid to play Peter.
- Zemo was amazing. Cunning, bold, and always one step ahead. I'm glad he's still alive by the end of the movie so we can possibly see him evolve into his comic self.
- I'm a little sore that he killed off the other Winter Soldiers at the end of the movie. Part of me wanted to see him activate them and use them as his Thunderbolts. It would have been an easy setup to get characters like Moonstone and such in.
- Pretty great overall. TWS is still a significantly better movie, but this feels significantly more solid than AoU.
- The opening fight scene in Africa was on par with the opening fight scene in TWS. The shaky cam, quick cuts, and extreme close-ups were not good though.
- Black Panther was handled well. They gave enough back story that they hopefully won't have to do too much origin work in his solo movie. Also, his mastery of combat was captured well. The costume looked incredible in motion.
- Spider-Man was a treat. His lines were mostly on point and the actor playing him was alright. I'm just finally glad they got a kid to play Peter.
- Zemo was amazing. Cunning, bold, and always one step ahead. I'm glad he's still alive by the end of the movie so we can possibly see him evolve into his comic self.
- I'm a little sore that he killed off the other Winter Soldiers at the end of the movie. Part of me wanted to see him activate them and use them as his Thunderbolts. It would have been an easy setup to get characters like Moonstone and such in.
- Pretty great overall. TWS is still a significantly better movie, but this feels significantly more solid than AoU.
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agreed
Gordon Shumway
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BronsonLee
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You got a goddamn problem Gordon *drops gloves*
Gordon Shumway
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Full Airport scene
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Pai Pai Master
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Viewing #2 tonight, super pumped
The Technomancer
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That was damn good, but it was super hard for me to be on Cap's side about...basically any of it. The degree to which he interfered in the first Winter Soldier capture attempt was the point at which I was like "what the fuck are you doing Cap?"
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Ant-Man definitely has the best lines
Reizo Ryuu
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He's stopping the JTTF from killing bucky/bucky from killing JTTF?
The Technomancer
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I believe its a real language, I saw a piece about it a few days ago.
The spoke briefly in what I can only assume is a fictional language.
Reizo Ryuu
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Lol it's xhosa...
ebullientprism
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I think Antman might come out of this film with the biggest boost. Spidey was always big. But I think Antman steals the show at the airport scene.
Ant-Man has the best everything. Favorite Marvel movie tbh.
I heard folks whispering last night because they didn't know who he was. I think you're probably right. It's so weird that Ant-Man is this universe's funny man.
BronsonLee
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Pai Pai Master
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It wasn't a capture attempt though...they were ordered to kill on sight.
Ah, thanks. To bad, would have been cool if they have created a wankandanese Fake-Language
The reason Cap interfered was because it wasn't a capture attempt, it was an assassination mission.
Ah, my mistake. I assumed they just created a language for Wakanda.
The Technomancer
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Okay normally I don't do this but given how tight the continuity in this franchise is, it did bug me that medical technology in the MCU now doesn't appear to have been jumped forward by Extremis.
Same here, but they also kept mentioning that they were going to kill Bucky immediately... which also makes no sense, considering the lack of evidence to really implicate Bucky in the first place.
I dunno, everything core to the conflict seemed so wishy-washy, it was hard to really get a feel for anyone's motivation to do anything. Like they had to have a reason. It's really the only thing I disliked about the movie, since the individual elements were so strong and there was such confidence in the characters themselves.
Didn't BW leak all the hydra documents a while ago? Wouldn't people have figured out that Bucky gets brainwashed? There's so much conflict born of miscommunication, which, while realistic, is always frustrating to me. It doesn't help that a lot of Cap's reasoning was just "eh, it's wrong". I can largely ignore it and enjoy the ride, though.
The Technomancer
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Hmm I missed that. Well that feels a bit contrived TBH, even Osama bin Laden was "capture if possible"
I like this movie a lot though, don't get me wrong. I do think its some of the best Marvel has ever made
Was it really? I thought I recognized some Swahili...
orthodoxy1095
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Reizo Ryuu
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Yes definitely xhosa.
Hell yeah!!
Someone quickly save it / reupload to youtube!
World governments: "We've got to have oversight to prevent collateral damage!"
two seconds later
World governments: "Let's totally kill this one dude with almost no evidence"
Pai Pai Master
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I think the distinction is that they were going after a superhuman assassin and from their perspective there is really no need to take risks and try to capture alive. Bucky was never going to get a fair trial whether he was innocent or not that's why Cap had to step in. He just lost Peggy and wasn't about to lose Bucky without knowing the full truth.
ratcliffja
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I got about 5 minutes into that airport scene and decided it would be better to just watch it again the real way. Man I need to see that movie again ASAP.
There is definitely some hollywood in this no doubt. The central conflict in this movie falls apart if the government agencies in the MCU are legit though.
There are a number of things that the governing bodies do though that seem pretty messed up (which of course lends credence to Cap's stance).
paragonpro
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I loved this version of spidey! Maybe the best on screen version. He was so likeable, and had that spiderman quip. Seeing him fight sam and bucky was a real treat. Also black panther ia the fucking coolest, the coolest. His armor, his move set, his vibranium claws. Also Ti challa was cast perfectley. Also, would iron man have killed cap
When he said stay down last warning? Or just seriously knocked him out?
When he said stay down last warning? Or just seriously knocked him out?
The Technomancer
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My girlfriend hasn't seen any of the MCU movies since Iron Man 2 and The Avengers basically, so it was super fun trying to explain all of the new stuff to her in the goofiest way possible
"Okay so the pink robot guy's brain is the mind control rock from the scepter in Avengers and Shield is gone because it turns out it was secretly controlled by nazis the entire time..."
"Okay so the pink robot guy's brain is the mind control rock from the scepter in Avengers and Shield is gone because it turns out it was secretly controlled by nazis the entire time..."
Superhero movies are silly.
I understand what you mean, there were plenty of things that didn't make sense, but to be fair on the creators, it is very hard trying to make a cohesive movie without having to sacrifice some bits. For example, the Accords isn't clearly defined, which make it seem like some oppressive Governmental crackdown, Cap didn't get enough chance nor time to explain his views better, even some of the people on his team are deemed to just be there because Cap which is silly. Then there is Tony whom they clearly had to compromise his position because the general who is supposedly leading the security arrangement for superheros was a douchbag, which in turn might have destroyed the notion of superheros working with Governments. Cap trying to prove his point but yet causing more collateral damage, Ironmans armour being able to dust off Tank shells yet can get knocked back by a kick from Bucky.....The more you replay everything, the flaws continue to pile but at the end of the day, the movie was great so we cannot afford to entirely nitpick
Wheeljack539
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They did go in guns blazing and Cap spent his time split protecting both sides there. As for the kill immediately it also could be as you mentioned with more of what the Winter Soldier has been said to do from the files BW gave out they may have figured him too at risk to live. Not to mention try to give the public some measure of peace that they 'are the ones in charge' which gets thrown out the door when Cap is there and then War Machine is called in to stop him and the strange guy in the cat suit. By that point its too public and they have to take him in.
The problem like I've mentioned earier in the thread is time. There's none of it after events get moving and Cap's hand is forced when Bucky tells him of the other 5 Winter Soldiers and that is what Zemo was going after.
Scrooge McDuck
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I know next to nothing about the international justice system of this cinematic universe, but isn't it possible that the kill-on-sight consideration came from the accumulation of his crimes over the decades on top of all the crazy dangerous stuff he did in The Winter Soldier?
Hasphat'sAnts
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So the reasons for people to join Team Iron Man:
Widow: sides with Cap in the end anyway
Black Panther: was tricked to begin with
War Machine: Tony's best bud
Spider Man: A child
Vision: Tony's old butler
Hold the L, Tony
Widow: sides with Cap in the end anyway
Black Panther: was tricked to begin with
War Machine: Tony's best bud
Spider Man: A child
Vision: Tony's old butler
Hold the L, Tony
Reizo Ryuu
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When did this happen? Iron man gets shot out of the air by a tank pretty damn hard. Force applied doesn't mean damage dealt; the armour being intact after a tank shell doesn't mean it wouldn't get knocked back enough force (bucky's kick).
You're acting like bucky kicked him and the suit desintegrated.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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I guess Extremis never left the confines of A.I.M., or Pepper and Stark decided that it was too dangerous to let Extremis get out there, even if they had the cure done. Its applications as a terrorist weapon were well established throughout the film, after all.
vasametropolis
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I didn't say there are holes. Just that it was bad. I'm sorry alright, but I was bored the whole time up until the airport fight. And the airpot fight was cool in action only. Did nobody else find the whole thing extremely.. dumb? Even the airport fight was full of jokes. I thought this was supposed to be about a major ideological conflict, and it just seemed paper thin in execution. There's no sense of danger. I love Rhodie, but he probably should have died to give some sort of real gravity.
Nothing is accomplished in the movie from beginning to end. There is no progression. My friends and I all enjoyed it for what it was, but it's way too safe and I think they missed the mark.
If I forgot about the Stark thing being referenced in Winter Solider then that's my fault. I honestly can't remember it ever being mentioned in that movie.
I walked out very excited for a Spider-Man movie, though. And that's a big plus for me.
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