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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos

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Haloid1177 said:
No one dying is the most Marvel thing in the world come on guys why.
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Why? If anything, that's a testament to the storytelling that they don't have to resort to "OMG character death!" for emotional impact. All the reviews state how the emotions and relationships between the characters is what ups the stakes and makes the conflict hit home.

Compare "oh no Cap died. Now I see the errors of what I was doing" versus having everyone live and the events of this move change and affect them in the movies to come, to see how Cap, Stark, everyone else's relationships and mindsets change because of this

Killing someone is the safe easy route: making us feel for the characters and have the impact of this conflict revebrate through storytelling is harder

The characters have to live with the consequences of their actions. Having someone die instantly overshadows that
 
Character deaths are the pinnacle of emotional story telling, that's why horror movies are heart wrenching epics, the stakes... the stakes!!!
 
Waldini said:
Still doesn't answer my question. I've seen the trailers/spots and image with Bucky -arm too ya' know.
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I don't remember exactly. That fight moves very quickly I don't remember if it's a ray coming from the suit or if Iron Man rips it off. But it's not a case of something that falls on it. The arm is ripped during the fight.

EDIT: I could have done without the "still doesn't answer my question" by the way.
 
Waldini said:
I just sneezed.

I'm allergic to bullshit.

Don't try and be an Internet-Hero. If you know nothing, keep your mouth shut? You signed an NDA ... but feel the need to "wake" the interest of others seeking spoilers? For what? Attention? I really fail to see why anyone would post like you just did.

Son. Just don't.
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Lol why are you being so salty? Shaanyboi has been shown to be pretty consistently trustworthy in the past, and he works in the industry (I recall as an artist or CG artist or something, but not specifically sure). He's telling the truth.
 
Waldini said:
I just sneezed.

I'm allergic to bullshit.

Don't try and be an Internet-Hero. If you know nothing, keep your mouth shut? You signed an NDA ... but feel the need to "wake" the interest of others seeking spoilers? For what? Attention? I really fail to see why anyone would post like you just did.

Son. Just don't.
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you stop plagiarizing I Am Robot!!! :P
 
More_Badass said:
Why? If anything, that's a testament to the storytelling that they don't have to resort to "OMG character death!" for emotional impact. All the reviews state how the emotions and relationships between the characters is what ups the stakes and makes the conflict hit home.

Compare "oh no Cap died. Now I see the errors of what I was doing" versus having everyone live and the events of this move change and affect them in the movies to come, to see how Cap, Stark, everyone else's relationships and mindsets change because of this

Killing someone is the safe easy route: making us feel for the characters and have the impact of this conflict revebrate through storytelling is harder

The characters have to live with the consequences of their actions. Having someone die instantly overshadows that
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I want Bucky Cap dammit.
 
Haloid1177 said:
I want Bucky Cap dammit.
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Maybe after Infinity War...? ;_;

But yeah, I am a bit disappointed that Steve lives.
It would have been nice to see a film this year where a superhero fights another superhero and has a death that actually felt earned.

Either way, this makes me wonder- the guy on Hype says Steve beats Tony, but last I checked, nothing else aside from the others on his team being released from prison at the end. Does the film end with Steve still personally labeled as a fugitive or something? How does things end for Tony aside from being beaten by Steve?
 
Chained Prometheus said:
Maybe after Infinity War...? ;_;

But yeah, I am a bit disappointed that Steve lives. It would have been nice to see a film this year where a superhero fights another superhero and has a death that actually felt earned.

Either way, this makes me wonder- the guy on Hype says Steve beats Tony, but last I checked, nothing else aside from the others on his team being released from prison at the end. Does the film end with Steve still personally labeled as a fugitive or something? How does things end for Tony aside from being beaten by Steve?
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The poster on hype said Steve breaks them out of the raft at the end.
 
BronsonLee said:
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE
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Steve lives? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

He's my favourite character in the entire Marvelverse and I much preferred him to die now rather than to see him job along with the rest of the Avengers against Thanos.

There are some fates worse than death.
 
duckroll said:
Job? He's going to pick up the hammer lol.
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Sure that would be nice to see and all but Vision already did that first(which was very cool btw, I loved that scene in AoU), so the impact is gone. If Steve was the first to do it then it would be a hype moment, but alas.
 
Backflip said:
That's it. And he sends a letter to Tony "Stank" (delivered by Stan Lee) in which he says that if he ever needs them, they'll be there.
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So, where does the film leave Tony and Steve's relationship? Do they make up or do the events of the film forever damage their relationship?
 
PadWarrior said:
The poster on hype said Steve breaks them out of the raft at the end.
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I bet this is the "offscreen fight scene" that one of the reviews (or maybe that dude on IMDB) mentioned. See the rest of the team in the Raft, hear dudes getting worked and shields bouncing off noggins, then Cap walks in and opens the cells. Seems like a pretty neat wrapup.
 
Daemul said:
Sure that would be nice to see and all but Vision already did that first(which was very cool btw, I loved that scene in AoU), so the impact is gone. If Steve was the first to do it then it would be a hype moment, but alas.
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Vision isn't even a person. I don't acknowledge human rights for AIs,
 
The whole point of the Hammer scene in Ultron was to foreshadow Cap picking it up later, that it isn't exclusive to Thor. Vision can pick it up but he can't really use it.
 
RedStep said:
I bet this is the "offscreen fight scene" that one of the reviews (or maybe that dude on IMDB) mentioned. See the rest of the team in the Raft, hear dudes getting worked and shields bouncing off noggins, then Cap walks in and opens the cells. Seems like a pretty neat wrapup.
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Good way to end
 
Caps "death" in the Civil War comic series was the stupidest thing ever, glad they didn't go that route in the movie.
 
BronsonLee said:
NEVER TRUST A JUNIOR
Much less one who just flips around all the time, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE
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I've been here since 2007, I still don't know why I am a junior.

For those who asked where the relationship between Tony and Steve is at the end of the movie, as I said before, Steve sends a letter to Tony in which he says that if he ever needs them, they'll be there. While Tony reads the letter, you see shots of the prison guards knocked out. If I remember correctly, the last shot is Steve's relection appearing on one of the cells. That way, you know he was the one who freed everybody.
 
Backflip said:
I've been here since 2007, I still don't know why I am a junior.

For those who asked where the relationship between Tony and Steve is at the end of the movie, as I said before, Steve sends a letter to Tony in which he says that if he ever needs them, they'll be there. While Tony reads the letter, you see shots of the prison guards knocked out. If I remember correctly, the last shot is Steve's relection appearing on one of the cells. That way, you know he was the one who freed everybody.
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Perfect ending for me.
 
Sinatar said:
Caps "death" in the Civil War comic series was the stupidest thing ever, glad they didn't go that route in the movie.
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I don't think it was stupid but the story arc they did with it in the comics only works because of the serialized format. If Captain America were a TV show, killing him at the end of one season and having the fallout carry on for another 1-2 seasons before he returns would be great. For films though, it would just feel cheap because he would be back in the next one.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think it was stupid but the story arc they did with it in the comics only works because of the serialized format. If Captain America were a TV show, killing him at the end of one season and having the fallout carry on for another 1-2 seasons before he returns would be great. For films though, it would just feel cheap because he would be back in the next one.
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Meanwhile, in Batman v Superman...
 
Backflip said:
That's exactly what happens. Later, when Stark asks him what happened, Vision says "I got distracted" and he adds that it was for the first time or something like that.

And Cap doesn't die.

There is no post-credits scene unfortunately. Only the mid-credits one with Winter Soldier (one arm) getting back into cryo sleep ("until they figure out how to get that stuff out of my head") in Wakanda and Cap talking with Black Panther.

I saw the movie last night in Paris. The embargo is up.
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God damnit Marvel.
 
Btw, when you say the mid-credits scene is in Wakanda, do we actually see it, or is it just interiors? Probably the latter eh?
 
Arnie7 said:
What why? Cap staying alive is so marvel.
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Cap dying in the first place was also pretty Marvel.

It appears this film not only managed the neat trick of being a coherent narrative while also being a satisfying beat 'em up, but it - on top of that - managed to correct every single misguided storytelling decision from the original comic bearing its name.

And considering how many giant fuckups were in that series, that's saying something.
 
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