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Captain America vs. Master Chief
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Yup, same here.
Would love to see Cap handle multiple Rhinos.Barond Blood
Elites ain't no Rhino
Stark plus 500 years?
Seriously? that Mjornir armor is not even in teh same time zone as the Silver Centurion let alone Stark's recent shit.
Manmademan
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I don't really have an opinion on master chief (don't play the games, don't read the books) but I'm pretty sure he doesn't weigh 60 tons either.
The point was that a strength level in the 60-100 ton range is not enough to beat cap outright, he's used to making bricks look like fools with superior fighting skill and reaction time.
Master Chief is an excellent strategist and received Cortana as an AI companion when he was 41 years old
Discotheque
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the doctor is a better strategist than both of them. imagine batman with the sonic screwdriver, cap's shield and a green lantern ring. he would destroy the entire cosmic marvel universe. with his master tactical strategies.
shadyspace
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Surely it's much more than that based on his service record in WWII alone.
He was asking for Intel, not a strategy.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I'm not exactly clear on what the thrust of your argument is. In what sense does Cap's "skill and experience" make him immune from bullets? Even accepting that his shield is impervious to everything because comics, if two people shot cap from the front and side simultaneously, he would die. End of story. Somebody with his skills and experience being put into a real war would get killed ten thousand times over, because skill and experience do not invalidate bullets in reality. He doesn't get killed because the writers say he doesn't. Even Master Chief is guilty of this nonsense because he never faces down enemies that are too far beyond his capabilities to defeat. He never has an unlucky 155mm shell land next to is face and explode, killing him. The transport he's on never explodes prior to the drop point. You get the point yeah?
Cap is paste in this scenario 99 times out of 100 because he is massively outgunned. I'm not saying he's not very skillful, but Chief is also extremely skilled, and has nigh invulnerable armor (unless Cap is packing a rocket launcher), and is probably stronger and faster than him. And has an array of guns. And years of battle experience.
Bornstellar
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How's that for no parachute.
Yup.
Spartans are basically Captain America, but raised from childhood and augmented with far superior armor and weapons.
Dude would be toast.
That's because Chief's superpower is luck. Although I do recall his (and Blue team's) drop ship getting toasted during the Fall of Reach resulting in an unplanned mid-air drop for the team.
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Messypandas
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Yeah but what kind of bump do war bond sales get in areas MC visits?
Manmademan
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maybe, maybe not. the comics code was pretty strict back in the day. he may NOT have had any WWII fatalities, but I'm not sure. Of course, the code has been gone for a long time now and the rules are different.
There's a lot of leeway in the definition of "people" there though. mutants and aliens "don't count" as "people." Cap just killed a shit ton of people in an intergalactic war. He gets back and kills a shit ton of "mutants" over a ten year period in dimension z.
Captain america's reaction time is superhuman, enhanced by the serum. Bullets appear slower to him than they do to regular people. So, more time to move. Sounds like BS? Spider man does the same thing, dodging bullets after they're fired. There are already scans posted of pete struggling to keep up with Cap hand to hand. Also, cap is extremely durable. He's taken rifle rounds to the arms, chest, and head (!) with no armor, and walked it off. And then there's this:
Gambit charged cap's costume and exploded it. Cap isn't wearing spandex, that's bulletproof armor. It's shredded, but his skin is fine and he's only *marginally* pissed off.
Captain america is somewhere in the top 3 most skilled h2h combatants that exist on his planet- and the other two (iron fist, maybe shang chi) have both taken L's from him. Cap is not only fast enough to dodge bullets with ease, but can sustain a 60mph foot speed while carrying other people. And as for "years of battle experience", Cap served on the front lines in WW2, has led and/or been a member of the avengers for about 15 years straight after that which includes at LEAST 2 massive intergalactic conflicts, AND just got back from fighting an extradimensional war in dimension Z for ten years. Don't sleep on Rogers.
What if we went by lore?
Let's say that MC is now the leader of a Spartan squad (like the books). Let's say about seven Spartans.
Who would win now?
I think Spartans would easily overtake CA.
Are you forgetting that he fell out of orbit? The impact of that would probably dwarf the effect of a measly rocket launcher.
Let's say that MC is now the leader of a Spartan squad (like the books). Let's say about seven Spartans.
Who would win now?
I think Spartans would easily overtake CA.
Are you forgetting that he fell out of orbit? The impact of that would probably dwarf the effect of a measly rocket launcher.
shadyspace
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The code didn't become a thing until Seduction of the Innocent led to the government hearings and that was the 50s iirc. I haven't read many books of the 40s so I don't know if he was actually depicted killing nazis and Japanese soldiers in issues published during the war effort.
The Doctor generally relies on his enemies being too stupid or arrogant to actually pay attention to what he's doing.
Oh sorry, I thought you were saying Cap was that strong. Mi culpa.
The Master Chief weighs only a bit over half a ton with his armor on.
7 spartans vs. cap? Why would that even be a thing. What would happen is Cap would say "Avengers Assemble" and then Hulk and Thor would show up and liquify the lot of them.
Vicetrailia
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The videogame version of chief is a weakling. What other versions of Chief are there?
If we going to be hyper rational and logically what should happen, going by that route MC should be just as dead.
The videogame version gets infinite resurrections, destroys space ships and survives nukes and planet hits in cut-scenes.
He survived a drop from orbit and destroys tanks by punching them. I'm not sure where the idea that video games Chief was a weakling came from.
The reason why MC is so great in the lore is that Cortana chose him AND he was the sole survivor. She did her whole math thing and determined MC was the best bet to beating the Covenant/Flood. The games are about structuring the relationship between her and him.
When Spartans are attacking anything, they should be in a team. Unless, we are going by the game's lore. Having the whole Avengers team attack a squad of Spartans is not balanced. Each Avenger has their own story, but a squad of Spartans are just super soldiers.
The books make Chief out to be a super bad ass. I think in the Fall of Reach he got into a fight with an ODST that was hazing him. He ended up murdering him with a single punch.
Chie Satonaka
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Chief is strong, but there's no way he can beat Captain America in hand to hand combat. Cap spars with Thor. Outside of the kill, this seems to be pretty accurate, including punching his armored form in the face.
I have no problem with the outcome here.
I have no problem with the outcome here.
VanquishUK
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"Fan vote".
The worst possible way to decide who wins.
The worst possible way to decide who wins.
It just started off so badly so it was hard to take the rest seriously. The hand to hand part was pretty great. I could almost hear him chanting "please don't shoot my legs... please don't shoot my legs..." in the opening.
Chie Satonaka
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Haha, yeah, the gunfight part was pretty bad. He didn't even have his face covered a few times when he was trying to close distance. And yeah, Chief shoulda went for the legs.
I'm not going to lie, I love fictional battle stuff like this. When I found out about Death Battle, I spent the better part of an entire shift watching them all on Youtube. :x
StalkerUKCG
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So this is how I see it.
Regular everyday CA (as in baseline captain America how he is typically written and using a ""on paper" ability list. Slightly above peak human, Shield, Skilled fighter etc) he gets beat 7 out of 10 times.
Movie Captain America goes straight to jobber jail, do not pass go, do not collect $50, leave the vibranium shield at the door.
Captain America using his insane feats as "canon" like going toe to toe with, avengers villains, hulk, thor etc. He wrecks Chief every day of the week and twice on the sabbath
Regular everyday CA (as in baseline captain America how he is typically written and using a ""on paper" ability list. Slightly above peak human, Shield, Skilled fighter etc) he gets beat 7 out of 10 times.
Movie Captain America goes straight to jobber jail, do not pass go, do not collect $50, leave the vibranium shield at the door.
Captain America using his insane feats as "canon" like going toe to toe with, avengers villains, hulk, thor etc. He wrecks Chief every day of the week and twice on the sabbath
No, he took out four of them.
At the same time.
Unarmored.
As a kid.
The Fall of Reach was silly.
StalkerUKCG
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The books are fine, They serve to show how strong the spartans actually are. They are millions of credits of research using 25th century technology to augment the humans to beyond their natural ability.
In each of their own worlds, chief is stronger than Cap. The chief breaks bones of the most physically gifted humans in the world, accidentally.
And Cap never spars with Thor, sorry. Thor handicaps himself during that stuff, just as he does with iron man. If Thor wanted to, he could crush Captajn America into a pancake he could carry inside the shield.
Chief needs to be silly, somehow taking on the rest of the galaxy single-handed. He's a one man army.
Manmademan
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Cap sparring with Thunderstrike was already posted. Thunderstrike was under the influence of a demonic axe at the time and WAS out to hurt Cap, despite it being a sparring session. Cap beat the hell out of him while not even treating it as a serious fight.
Obviously, going all out, someone at Thor's strength level (unlimited, basically) would win easily, but Cap beats opponents physically stronger than he is on a regular basis. Strength alone isn't enough to get past him.
This, right?
They've both got their strengths. Captain America can see fast enough to dodge bullets and is at peak human strength, with an unbreakable shield and CQC that nearly puts Solid Snake to shame.
Master Chief was raised from birth to be a super soldier with all of the usual super soldier powers and a thought-controlled super suit with its own sassy AI. And guns, lots and lots of guns.
I'd like to see a redo with actual research done instead of "What's more popular right now? Avengers or Halo?"
Canonically didn't Squirrel Girl beat MODOK and Thanos
SixMachine
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Yes, and there was a Watcher there to confirm that it was the REAL Thanos, not some replicant. Also she made Doom her bitch. Later she straight up swaggered into Latveria and took a time machine, and Doom couldn't say no.
I like hamburgers and mac salad but I don't see Cap winning this one. He could make some French Fries but
Chie Satonaka
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So could the Hulk, and Cap's had tussles with Hulk as well. I'm not debating Chief's strength, I'm saying that Cap's fought stronger and survived, and that Chief can't compete with him in hand to hand combat.
Jeez. Has it been that long since I read that book?
This really makes me want to reread it or listen to it on audiobook.
there is no Captain Belgium, but there is Captain Germany.
ganz gut!
If "sometimes writers make shit happen that blatantly violates the official and accepted power set of a character" is your argument that Cap would win then, well, you got me. There is no valid opposing argument I can take.
Manmademan
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Cap and Namor have tangled several times, and Namor is damn powerful and not always an ally.
"official and accepted" power set is what the writers and editors say it is. Any writer can have a bad day, and have a character doing things he shouldn't- but Cap has consistently taken out heroes and villains in the 50+ ton range enough times that it can't be dismissed as bad writing or editing. Rhino was already posted. Thunderstrike was just posted. Namor was just posted. Spiderman was just posted. Cap has also handed out L's to the wrecking crew, USAgent, and given even the hulk and a pissed off Thor a hard time.
Twilight Gap
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I don't see how external feats are really relevant here. Chief jumps from this, Cap fights this, yada yada. All of that happens because plot armor and writing.
Chief: augmented at very young age + more years of experience + power suit
Cap: augmented at a later age - less experience + shield
Maybe it'd be a closer battle if both of them were in bathrobes, but Cap without his shield is just an inexperienced spartan, which is cannon fodder for Chief. And doesn't Chief have some sort of plating around his bones? AFAIK about them both, Chief wins in most scenarios.
Chief: augmented at very young age + more years of experience + power suit
Cap: augmented at a later age - less experience + shield
Maybe it'd be a closer battle if both of them were in bathrobes, but Cap without his shield is just an inexperienced spartan, which is cannon fodder for Chief. And doesn't Chief have some sort of plating around his bones? AFAIK about them both, Chief wins in most scenarios.
Manmademan
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nope.
Oldschoolgamer
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Namor? Was he not around water when it happened? lol.
VanquishUK
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Wasn't cap frozen for like 70 years or something?
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