Comic book Captain America has had significant power creep. He is no longer in the realm of 'peak human condition' anymore. If anything, just by the fact that the Halo games tried to bring realistic sounding science to the creation of the Spartans prevents Chief from being anywhere on the level Cap.
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Captain America vs. Master Chief
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Comic book Captain America has had significant power creep. He is no longer in the realm of 'peak human condition' anymore. If anything, just by the fact that the Halo games tried to bring realistic sounding science to the creation of the Spartans prevents Chief from being anywhere on the level Cap.
Future PhaZe
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Chief is basically a futuristic version of cap without the shield but with greatly enhanced armor and strength. Caps shield would nullify that, but Cortana would greatly flip the odds in chiefs favor.
Nemesis121
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Halo 1 Pistol would have been enough to take out Cap.. 
Manmademan
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The amount of time he's frozen keeps getting greater, because his origin is tied to WW2.
Cap fought in WW2 and a little while after that (10 years total?) before ending up frozen. He was resurrected shortly after the Avengers banded together, which in marvel time was about 15 years ago. (the xmen and spider man were in their early teens, they're now in their 30s). During that 15 years cap has been in combat pretty much constantly, taking out everything from terrorists, to superhumans, to demons, to angry gods, and has fought in two galaxy wide conflicts- The kree-skrull war back in the 80s and against the builders in "infinity."
He has an additional 10 years experience on top of THAT thanks to being sent through a dimensional rift where time moves differently, fighting against arnim zola's armies in dimension Z single handedly.
Cap has the experience edge here. And thanks to the serum captain america is functionally immortal and does not age. All of his experience has been while his body and mind are in their prime.
Jorok Goldblade
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Vibranium completely absorbs energy without any transference. As long as he lands on his shield, he's fine.
williamsan
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Are we going by the Halo novels here? If so, was Captain peak human before the drugs and vita rays? I remember Chief being selected specifically because of genetic markers that hinted at physical and mental superiority. And then they pumped him full of shit. Eyes, muscles and bones strengthened, and it killed their sex drives too if I'm remembering right. What exactly did the vita rays + drugs to do Captain?
Pickles the Firecat
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Bro, think your argument out here.
Because the logical conclusion from what you are implying is that Captain America is as strong as Thor.
Nobody wants to go down that road. Everyone posting absurd Cap feats should consider exactly what taking those extremely out of the ordinary moments as his baseline ability means.
ihearthawthats
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...in hand 2 hand combat. Imo mc's best chance to win is if it didn't come down to hand 2 hand.
MisterHero
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Cap isn't immortal. If he were, he couldn't die and ascend to his Angel Form.
He didn't land on his shield though, he landed on his fists and knees.
But yeah, now I see why he might be jumping out of planes in the comics.
Manmademan
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Not necessarily. It implies that captain america has strategies to defeat opponents that are physically stronger than he is, since he regularly spars with dudes that can bench press battleships.
Thor would kill him in a serious fight, but Cap has beaten enough people in the 20, 30, 40, and 50+ ton range (see the list I i made a few posts up) using a combination of raw strength and skill that just about anyone who isn't throwing moons like baseballs is going to have a hard time.
This isn't even THAT uncommon. Spiderman is in the 10-20 ton range, and regularly takes out opponents WAY stronger than he is, again using his skill and speed to gain an advantage. You can even look at guys who have no powers at all but INSANE levels of skill like iron fist, shang chi, or taskmaster easily taking out opponents with superhuman strength.
Comics, bro- that's how they work. Techique, speed, pressure points, superior tactics can give you the W and let you punch above your weight class.
Enhanced durability, unknown degree. Enough bullets would eventually kill him, but how many is up in the air. He's taken hits from superhumans before as well.
Sho_Nuff82
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Nope. MC is superhuman even without Mjolnir, and his bones are virtually unbreakable. While he has generic hand to hand combat skills, Cap isn't fast or strong enough to beat him without the shield.
If MC uses Mjolnir. forget it. He's virtually impervious to small arms fire. He'd have to get in a shield hit just to knock down the energy shield, and it would give him the briefest window to get curb stomped by someone nearly as strong as Spider-Man.
Manmademan
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This is against batman. Twice. In the first scan, Wayne admits Rogers is the better H2H combatant. In the other, both remark on how good the other is, noting that combat skills like that would be top ten in the world.
"generic" he isn't.
Sho_Nuff82
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This is against batman. Twice. In the first scan, Wayne admits Rogers is the better H2H combatant. In the other, both remark on how good the other is, noting that combat skills like that would be top ten in the world.
"generic" he isn't.
Sorry, I meant MC has "generic" combat skills. He's a good fighter, but not a standout among Spartan h2h fighters.
SnakeSlashRO
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This is why I can't take Comics seriously in Vs battles. The continuity is to hard to follow, so many changes and rewrites to keep fan intrest...
Next week Cap could be kicking hulks ass. I mean when does it end? Superman has it the worst though...
Next week Cap could be kicking hulks ass. I mean when does it end? Superman has it the worst though...
Pickles the Firecat
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I would love to see Spiderman, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, or Taskmaster literally fight Thor in hand to hand combat.
Because it is stupid to imply any amount of strategy, experience, cunning, wit, foresight, whatever you want to mention can make up for the astronomical gulf that exists between any of them and Thor, even "sparring". It would be just as bizarrely broken. Sometimes we need to get in front of the runaway train that is comic book feats before we start suggesting Steve could take Hulk one on one.
No comment regarding the rest. Not much disagreement. Although I think the vast, overwhelming majority of people would love to have that Spidey-Cap fight during Civil War stricken from the record.
Manmademan
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That's a pretty solid knock against him then. Cap is one of the best fighters there is on his planet, and like batman is adept in or has mastered every style that exists.
If it comes down to H2H (that is, MC runs out of ammo), Rogers has a pretty big advantage.
I don't disagree with you. None of those (Spidey, Cap, Shang Chi, Tasky) could take out Thor or Hulk in a serious fight. Thor is completely impervious to any damage not in the "thousands of tons" range and has functionally unlimited strength.
What sparring against someone like thor DOES do, is give rogers a chance to train regularly against an opponent much, much stronger than he is and devise tactics ahead of time. He'll never survive against Thor or Hulk in a serious match for long, but someone in the 20-60 ton range could easily be taken out, depending on what their skill level is. Thunderstrike got taken out easily because despite all that power, he's largely unskilled. Cap can hang with Namor, because namor's rage and pride tend to get the better of him in a fight and he makes mistakes. And again- this isn't that uncommon within funnybooks.
fallengorn
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Geez, just get a room you guys.
Rentahamster
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Why is MC even bothering to hide behind a rock when Cap is shooting him with a pistol? Like a pistol is even going to put a dent in mjolnir armor.
Manmademan
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Just pretend S.H.I.E.L.D. hooked him up with adamantium bullets or something.
StalkerUKCG
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Chiefs armor is crazy. 2 inch thick and multilayer alloy capable of resisting sustained fire from weapons and plasma as well as explosions. I'd be surprised if he could even feel a punch from someone with peak human strength.
It survived a fall from space in perfectly usable condition afterwards.
Not to mention his energy shield which would take some getting down and regenerates quickly.
This is against batman. Twice. In the first scan, Wayne admits Rogers is the better H2H combatant. In the other, both remark on how good the other is, noting that combat skills like that would be top ten in the world.
"generic" he isn't.
Are they just play fighting or something? If this thread is anything to go by, Cap should crush Wayne.
Watching that video in the OP I was able to guess it was fan vote without reading anything. Automatic Assault rifles may be shit for acute precision, but you're telling me not even a stray hit Cap on any parts that weren't guarded? Lol. Then MC pulling out the pistol once he throws Cap to his shield? Heh. Had he done that after Cap lost his shield, it would've been over. MC's gameplan would have to be to not let Cap in close, and if he decided to spam shield throw I could totally see MC doing something like this.
I like Cap, but I don't think he can beat MC. Screw Attack does these better, I don't think they have fan vote. Which made the Spider-Man vs Batman one all the more sweeter, lol.
Pai Pai Master
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I find it hard to believe Cap would just straight up kill a soldier like that without trying to talk first.
But I dunno maybe MC just nuked a city or something.
But I dunno maybe MC just nuked a city or something.
Manmademan
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"peak human" is a bit of a misnomer. Cap's raw strength is undefined, but somewhere between 1 and 10 tons. As for the armor, whatever cap's shield is made of is the hardest substance known to man. The Mjolnir armor won't stop it, if used offensively.
When he has to, Cap tends to use the shield like wolverine uses his claws- as an offensive weapon to break through defenses.
It might surprise you to find out cap also carries an energy shield as a backup.
Brianimaniac
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Cap's super power is that he overcomes the odds and wins.
Oldschoolgamer
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I wouldn't even go down that path. Someone could easily say that Cortana could just hack S.H.I.E.L.D. records or some shit, and tell Chief not to go within 20 feet of Cap.
Rentahamster
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Does such a thing actually happen in the Marvel comics?
Manmademan
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It was a crossover. they're always a bit weird. The second story was a fan voted outcome, I think. But yeah- Based on what cap usually does, Wayne wouldn't last too long if cap wanted to take him out.
I don't know enough about MC to say who would win here, just having fun poking holes in arguments against Rogers.
certainly. SHIELD has tons of crazy stuff. They developed that energy shield Cap is using a few posts up, and Hawkeye has a couple of adamantium tipped arrows that I assume he got from there, as that stuff is VERY expensive.
wasn't ACTUALLY being serious with the adamantium bullets bit. Just having fun with the concept of master chief ducking from a handgun.
Cap beats on armored people and robots all the time.
How on Earth is Cap able to land a hit at all?
Manmademan
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1.) Spidey gets hit all the damn time
2.) Cap has enhanced/superhuman speed, just like his strength and durability.
3.) Cap's fighting skill is good enough that he can predict where you're going to move in combat (or trap you into moving a certain way), and he's familiar with spidey's particular fighting style. Taskmaster absolutely dominates spidey in a fight for the same reason.
ThoseDeafMutes
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This is getting ridiculously stupid and we need ground rules. How many different versions of cap are we dealing with here? People have already brought up one version that apparently has a god's hammer which I think is fair to say is beyond the scope of the discussion. We already know that Marvel Movie universe Cap is very weak compared to these precognitive supermen who can shrug off bullets and explosions without armor and bench 10 tonnes.
It may be the case that we just work out a group of which caps are equal or superior to MC and which ones would get turned to paste by him.
Doesn't Spider-Man dodge bullets for the most part?
MisterHero
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Spider-man has the proportional abilities of a spider, while Cap has the proportional abilities of a man. And mans are like hundreds of times bigger than spiders.
-.-...... A human spars with a god? A human who drank some measly special sauce? How is he even peak human, at this point.
ThoseDeafMutes
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So you're saying every comic is consistent with what his power level is?
Oldschoolgamer
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My bad. lol. You and Slay be going in.
This Capt. America nonsense is such bullshit, but as a fan of Wayne and Panther, I can't even complain.
Manmademan
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i'm only using one captain america, the one from the mainstream 616 continuity. I'm not using the movie, or ultimate versions- those are the only two others that have any significant appearances, outside of "colonel america" who is a zombie and very easy to spot.
No version of cap has this. What's established is that he CAN pick up Thor's hammer as he meets whatever vague criteria Odin established for being "worthy". He's used it once for a couple of seconds in an emergency, and for about a panel or two in marvel 2099.
The movie versions of all marvel characters have been significantly powered down, for obvious reasons. The comic thor is MASSIVELY stronger than the one in the films. It's barely even the same character.
Everything i posted refers to one version of captain america. Marvel has never rebooted him or mainstream continuity, so if something happened in an issue in 1972, it's still valid. This isn't the case with DC.
The fuck?
Chie Satonaka
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Manmademan has already answered this, but yeah. And he's also dropped people who have outclassed him repeatedly. This isn't some Batman level prep-time. Captain America is just that good, and I'm not even really a Cap fan. He just gets slept on.
That, and it's fun to actually participate in these given my very, very limited comic-fu.
Yea Captain America would have tried talking to him first. And what the hell was up with that landing.
Also he was taken to the area by SHIELD. Those guys would not have allowed Master Chief to walk out of there alive even if he won. And on the off chance he did kill Cap and survived an assault by SHIELD he would still have to deal with Thor, Iron Man, and the rest of the Marvel heroes who would want to avenge his death. Even if Master Chief "won" he would not be alive long enough to celebrate.
Also he was taken to the area by SHIELD. Those guys would not have allowed Master Chief to walk out of there alive even if he won. And on the off chance he did kill Cap and survived an assault by SHIELD he would still have to deal with Thor, Iron Man, and the rest of the Marvel heroes who would want to avenge his death. Even if Master Chief "won" he would not be alive long enough to celebrate.
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