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Captain America vs. Master Chief
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Manmademan
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Here's the thing with comics (and marvel in particular, as mainstream continuity has never rebooted).
there have been SO MANY writers over SO MANY years and issues, that you're going to get varying levels of strength, speed, and skill. There will be very HIGH showings (spider man beating the shit out of firelord) and very LOW showings (silver surfer getting knocked out by a brick).
The important thing is consistency. If a character pulls off a wildly inconsistent feat once, it may not be worth bringing up in a discussion. If a character pulls off said feat a dozen times over a span of several years and several writers, it's probably a valid feat for them.
Cap is one of those characters. On average he's basically batman with a shield, but under duress he's capable of punching well above his weight class, hanging in combat with spidey, namor, wolverine, thunderstrike, etc. It's left very vague as to just how strong he is for this reason- so marvel can get some mileage out of Cap exceeding everyone's expectations.
A lot of the misconception around Cap goes back to those terrible marvel universe handbooks that pegged certain people as "peak human", which is a pretty inaccurate version of where Cap is. Those books are ALSO responsible for the old "class 100" business which ONLY existed within those handbooks and never in the comics themselves.
FUBAR McDangles
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Nah, that was Fred/Will/Kelly in the drop ship. Chief went with Joshua and Linda to the space station orbiting Reach to take care of the NAV data of some secret ONI ship. But the argument is similar when looking at him leaving the Forerunner Dreadnought in Halo 3.
The fight would probably lean to the Avenger's favor, yeah, but Spartans would make a game of it. Spartan Lasers + Rockets + tactical abilities could overtake Iron Man pretty easily, especially if they are expert marksmen like Linda. Cap could get taken out by two Spartans working well together (say, Kelly + Fred).
Hulk would be a bitch doe. John + Will + Kurt might be able to do some damage but really who can defeat the Hulk?
Yes, experience leans heavily in Master Chief's favor.
He was trained from the age of five or six in the art of warfare. He first started seeing live combat in his mid-teens, after getting heavily surgically modified. His bones are practically steel, his muscles are stronger and grow back faster, essentially giving him a minor regrowth factor similar to Wolverine to a much lesser degree. Vision is much better in every way. Reaction times are faster, night vision is better, and so on. 300% increase in reflex times. I guess these could be written as toss-ups between the two.
His childhood and adolescence was spent learning tactics of war and almost nothing else. He would have been able to extensively study every single engagement that Captain America was apart of through his entire career, along with every other hero and every other military battle...ever until that point.
He was fighting the the best of the best of the Insurrectionists at the age of 14 in 2525. The Human/Covenant war started a few months later and Chief was actively fighting them for over thirty years through 2557 in Halo 4 and beyond. That's over 30 years of fighting with experience against a very wide range of opponents on dozens, perhaps hundreds, of different planets and space ships. Overall tactical experience, I would say, would lean in Chief's favor because he simply has been fighting longer against a wider range of enemies in far more varied environments.
It's hard to argue who would win thanks to whatever abilities they have depending on writer/type of story/whatever, but it is impossible to argue experience simply because Chief had basically been an expert in warfare and fighting since the age of ten. Over thirty years of desperately fighting against a vastly superior enemy will help someone grow as fighter to the point that comparing him to a guy who has only been fighting for 15-20 years and saying the latter has more tactical experience is a bit silly to say the least.
If Master Chief drank the special sauce, would he be better than Captain America? He wasn't a 90-pound sack of bones like Rogers was.
Manmademan
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Didn't read what I posted about cap's experience? Cap has at least 35 years of combat experience, (10 during WW2 and with the invaders, 15 in mainstream marvel with the avengers, 10 in dimension X) and has led not one but TWO wars that spanned the universe. Cap has fought not only humans, but demons (inferno), superhumans (every comic ever), aliens (kree/skrull war, maximum security, infinity), fishmen (The crossing line, atlantis attacks!), gods (secret wars 1/2, infinity gauntlet), mutants (dimension x), super scientist terrorist organizations (AIM, Hydra), Giant Robots (Marvel vs. Transformers), you name it. The breadth of the opponents cap has faced during his career (from timely comics in 1941 through the present) absolutely dwarfs what you will find in halo 1-4.
How exactly is master chief going to study Cap's experience fighting against the kree empire, the builders, or in dimension X? How is he going to study cap's tactics against races that do not exist within halo?
It might be tough determining whose experience is "better", but claiming that MC has any kind of experience ADVANTAGE over Cap is false.
Vermillion
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I believe that the SSS isn't a multiplier - it simply brings you to a specific point.
He'll have a real hard time covering that chest with his shieldHow could MC, or anyone for that matter go against this swole as fuck mothercucker?
So i figured I'd chime in just because,
anyway i thought i may as well list MC's abilities, since i prefer MC over Captain America and i know more about MC(only seen the first movie for CA)
-MC was identified as an ideal physical and mental candidate for the 150-strong preliminary pool of the SPARTAN-II Program when he was six: he stood a head taller than the majority of his schoolmates, had greater physical proportions, and possessed greater strength, superior reflexes, and an aggressive drive for success.,
- Even before his cybernetic and genetic augmentation, at 14 years of age, MC had a physical body of an 18-year old Olympic athlete. Far beyond the physical alternations, the enhancements boosted the Spartans reflexes, strength, enhanced eyesight, and rendered their bones nearly unbreakable
-Spartans were capable of lifting at least three times their body weight without the aid of their MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor,
-Their reaction time, while impossible to chart accurately, was estimated to be twenty milliseconds.
The Spartans' reaction times were noted to be significantly faster in combat situations or with assistance from an AI.
The reaction times of the SPARTAN-IIs were so fast that they, in heightened states of stress, were able to think, react and see things as if everything around them were simultaneously occurring at both a slow and rapid pace
-SPARTAN-IIs were also known for their sharp eyesight, their occipital capillary reversal allowing them to virtually see in the dark.
-These abilities were completely independent of the MJOLNIR armor, which only further augmented the SPARTANs' unprecedented capabilities.
-the SPARTAN-IIs were capable of running at speeds exceeding 55 km/h or 34.2 mph.
-MC has been noted to have briefly ran at around 105 km/h or 65.2 mph during a MJOLNIR MARK V training exercise, however his Achilles tendon was torn because the strain put on his body was unsustainable.
Height: 6'10" (2.083 meters)[2][3] (without armor)
7'2" (2.18 meters)[4][3] (in armor)
Weight:286 pounds (130 kg)[4][3] (without armor)
995 pounds (451.3 kg)[3] (in armor)
So yeah i dunno about captain America but i think MC could give him a damn good run for his money especially considering he's been wearing the suit for 20-30years or so, meaning he'll be pretty used to it by then.
anyway I'm done quite enjoyed googling all that, although i still left out all of the armor features
anyway i thought i may as well list MC's abilities, since i prefer MC over Captain America and i know more about MC(only seen the first movie for CA)
-MC was identified as an ideal physical and mental candidate for the 150-strong preliminary pool of the SPARTAN-II Program when he was six: he stood a head taller than the majority of his schoolmates, had greater physical proportions, and possessed greater strength, superior reflexes, and an aggressive drive for success.,
- Even before his cybernetic and genetic augmentation, at 14 years of age, MC had a physical body of an 18-year old Olympic athlete. Far beyond the physical alternations, the enhancements boosted the Spartans reflexes, strength, enhanced eyesight, and rendered their bones nearly unbreakable
-Spartans were capable of lifting at least three times their body weight without the aid of their MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor,
-Their reaction time, while impossible to chart accurately, was estimated to be twenty milliseconds.
The Spartans' reaction times were noted to be significantly faster in combat situations or with assistance from an AI.
The reaction times of the SPARTAN-IIs were so fast that they, in heightened states of stress, were able to think, react and see things as if everything around them were simultaneously occurring at both a slow and rapid pace
-SPARTAN-IIs were also known for their sharp eyesight, their occipital capillary reversal allowing them to virtually see in the dark.
-These abilities were completely independent of the MJOLNIR armor, which only further augmented the SPARTANs' unprecedented capabilities.
-the SPARTAN-IIs were capable of running at speeds exceeding 55 km/h or 34.2 mph.
-MC has been noted to have briefly ran at around 105 km/h or 65.2 mph during a MJOLNIR MARK V training exercise, however his Achilles tendon was torn because the strain put on his body was unsustainable.
Height: 6'10" (2.083 meters)[2][3] (without armor)
7'2" (2.18 meters)[4][3] (in armor)
Weight:286 pounds (130 kg)[4][3] (without armor)
995 pounds (451.3 kg)[3] (in armor)
So yeah i dunno about captain America but i think MC could give him a damn good run for his money especially considering he's been wearing the suit for 20-30years or so, meaning he'll be pretty used to it by then.
anyway I'm done quite enjoyed googling all that, although i still left out all of the armor features
Can Crusher
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You gotta be craze to bring up Cap cracking a nut on Hulk. Clearly the writer/executives were on drugs/money grabbing sobs.
Hulk farts and Cap would meet Thor bathing in the suns of cosmic Valhalla.
Hulk farts and Cap would meet Thor bathing in the suns of cosmic Valhalla.
Manmademan
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This helps, as I'm not that familiar with MC, only what wikipedia tells me, which isn't much.
Cap's feats at this point are pretty well documented, but I'm not really seeing much that puts MC outside of cap's regular rogue's gallery. Cap is MUCH faster than MC FWIW.
Slayer-33
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The ridiculousness is mind boggling lol
MisterHero
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Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
DAT HEAD!
this guy? jeeezuss
Yes, him and Havok blew up the moon and scorched the earth to the core. That is why you don't give mutants SSS.
Can Crusher
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Why else would you get Cap in a physical contest against the Hulk? Seems like a pony show for the fans. It doesn't make sense for Cap to do it.
I read the Hulk topic we had recently, and it is mentioned several times that has FTL reaction feats, and fights against people capable of dishing out far more damage than Cap is capable of. I'm not sure how Cap doing anything - besides dying - in a fight against Hulk could be attributed to anything more than Cap having one hell of a jobber aura.
MisterHero
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My favorite part of the last Hulk movie was when Blonski started using Super Soldier moves on Hulk. Hulk couldn't touch him.
Rastafarian42
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All Master Chief has to do is throw a plasma grenade on Cap's leg.
Manmademan
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Coriolanus
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Cap sparring with Thor?
Yeaaaah, no.
Thor can trade blows with Thanos.
Cap...well...
Yeaaaah, no.
Thor can trade blows with Thanos.
Cap...well...
Manmademan
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Cap sparring with Thor?
Yeaaaah, no.
To be fair:
Thanos dominates ERRYBODY
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Coriolanus
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That still demonstrates the disparity quite well. Thanos actually has to break a sweat, and he does get beaten around by Thor on occasion.
Manmademan
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Thanos was a goddamned monster in Infinity, and this was AFTER he pimp slapped the hulk into next week. The Avengers weren't even scratching that guy.
He best stop sending punks to Wakanda.
Manmademan
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Where IS that time gem, anyway? Kind of weird that suddenly no one's really all that concerned about it.
Vincent Alexander
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Master Chief would win, hands down. Captain America is human perfection. Master Chief is beyond human. Plus, Master Chief has luck on his side.
Manmademan
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Maybe it evolved and left, they do tend to do that.
oh man. wasn't that in the ultraverse? They're ignoring the hell out of everything that happened there, I'm sure.
PoloBlue28
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1940's Super Soldier "tech" vs 2525 tech, come on. If MC does not beat Cap it's a monument of human stagnation and failure.
Domino Theory, I knew it.
Or activate the energy sword when he stands over him. Whoosh, a big hole in Captain America's torso.
Vincent Alexander
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Add in that John's training started when he was just 5 years old. I think Cap's only advantage is his shield.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
the world isnt the same, so its not technology stacking.
So you're saying Cap's 1940 is more advanced than Halo's 2525?
Sho_Nuff82
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Are they just play fighting or something? If this thread is anything to go by, Cap should crush Wayne.
Watching that video in the OP I was able to guess it was fan vote without reading anything. Automatic Assault rifles may be shit for acute precision, but you're telling me not even a stray hit Cap on any parts that weren't guarded? Lol. Then MC pulling out the pistol once he throws Cap to his shield? Heh. Had he done that after Cap lost his shield, it would've been over. MC's gameplan would have to be to not let Cap in close, and if he decided to spam shield throw I could totally see MC doing something like this.
I like Cap, but I don't think he can beat MC. Screw Attack does these better, I don't think they have fan vote. Which made the Spider-Man vs Batman one all the more sweeter, lol.
In Fall of Reach, MC (when paired with Cortana for the first time) times and deflects a heat seeking missile with his bare hands. He nearly dies doing so, but I think he can catch Cap's shield even if thrown at superhuman velocity.
He also times zero g jumps between ships going hundreds of thousands of kilometers per hour.
Vincent Alexander
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Good point. But (and I need a comic fan here to confirm) isn't Captain America the peak of human perfection? If so, I'd think Master Chief has the edge. What was done to Master Chief made him beyond a human. Bones as strong as steel, and such.
Ok, now I'm extremely confused. Are you guys saying that 1940's tech is better than 2525 tech?
I mean, I can accept that we can't compare 2525 tech to 2525 tech from different worlds, but how can WWII tech be better than planet-busting-FTL-warp-drive-genetic-modification tech?
Vincent Alexander
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It'd still be crazy that one world's 1940 would be better tech-wise than 2525, but it is still a valid point. I still think Master Chief, for the record.
Manmademan
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Captain america is an enhanced human, and from what's been posted, his native strength/speed/durability are all far past MC without the spartan armor.
As for "1940's tech", the SSS was light years past anything else that was possible in the 1940s, and as far as present day marvel (which IS past 2525 Halo technology) no one has yet been able to replicate the process reliably.
Edit: 1940s marvel also had the original human torch. A sentient flying android that could light itself on fire as an offensive tactic.
He started out peak human. He's been subject to a bit of a power creep over the years (everybody has) and you could consider him superhuman at this point.
victreeb3l
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Bullshit. Master Chief is a killing machine. Would have snapped Caps neck in a second
why they still got bullets
That's the big if, because I'm reasonably sure that by the time MC ran out of ammo, at minimum 70-80% of said ammo would be lodged somewhere inside Rogers.
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