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[Seth C]

I'm not sure you can count it as an actual ability because there was never an explanation for it, but yes, he's ridiculously lucky (Other than the whole forceful conscription into the Spartan program thing) and it's something that's been consistent and noticeable since he was a kid, including for coin tosses. It's why Cortana chose him over the other Spartans.

It's basically their justification for stuff like him never being on the ship instantly vaporized by the giant laser beam or in the facility hit by a nuke.

That's not why he knew the result of coin tosses. His vision was so good that he effectively can watch the coin flipping and know how it landed.

 

[ihearthawthats]

Just throwing it out there: Chief is a Spartan-II. The Spartan-IIIs were designed to be expendable and cheaper, and as a result received their enhancements via several drug cocktails, just like Cap's serum. How is it that enhancements administered 600 years prior will somehow edge out the cocktails made in the 2530s or 2540s?

This reminds me of a thread a while back where scientists finally discovered the formula to roman(?) Concrete(?). People made comparisons to how our modern roads are shit and full of potholes and what have yous.

Perhaps even reminds me of joke posts about how indestructable old nokia phones are.

 

[VeeP]

I never read the books, but my sister told me about that. So I imagine a bullet ricocheting off CA shield and bouncing around until it hits him in the back of the knee or something.

If you play Halo 3, you can here Cortana in the first mission state this...

"They let me pick, did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research. Watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw... but me. Can you guess? Luck. Was I wrong?"

Honestly, Chief should be able to take down Captain America. Captain America is a super solider. Chief is a augmented human who has been trained to fight wars since he was a kid.

But basing this on feats, Captain America would win. But thats because of comic book writing.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Captain America can take on Galactus and win if the writers deemed it so.

 

[danwarb]

Someone write a comic where Chief kicks God's head off, so we can have the hero we deserve.

 

[MutFox]

Captain America is suppose to be this walking god, but a few bullets puts him down in Marvel Heroes.

Lame

Pretty much, for games you gotta make everything weaker, like super weak.
Video games are almost always wrong for super heroes, especially RPG based ones.

 

[pants]

Pretty much, for games you gotta make everything weaker, like super weak.
Video games are almost always wrong for super heroes, especially RPG based ones.

Especially that DC fighter built on the MK engine. It's laughable how the motherfucking flash loses to anyone.

 

[y2dvd]

There are thousands of parallel universes. The Ultimate U is just one of those. It just happens to be more fleshed out than most of the others. The main Marvel universe was never rebooted.

Ah I always mistook the the Ultimate U to be a reboot and not an alt universe.

There are many, many universes. 616 is the official designation of the main Marvel universe, which was arbitrarily chosen a long time ago. Since then it's been explained as the numbers Watchers and multiuniversal entities use to categorize different Earths/realities. The movie universe is Earth 199999, while the Ultimate Universe is Earth 1610.

That explains it, thanks!

 

[User 73706]

So, we can all agree that if Master Chief was introduced as a comic book character with the same footprint in comic book history as Cap, he'd be borderline indestructible, right?

 

[Stinkles]

So, we can all agree that if Master Chief was introduced as a comic book character with the same footprint in comic book history as Cap, he'd be borderline indestructible, right?

yes.

and technically Chief has already been a marvel comic book hero.

 

[Madness]

Comparison makes no sense really. Master Chief is genetically perfect, and his skeleton is almost unbreakable. On foot, Chief can run like 60 kilometers an hour. Now couple all this with his Mjolnir Mk. VI armor, and what chance does Captain America really have? Master Chief is an indestructible tank in a sense with his armor, they can survive orbital drops in their armor, of course Cap's shield could probably destroy his armor, but Chief would be faster, stronger, taller, and would have guns no?

 

[Just_myles]

How is this still a thing. Cap wins. Cap fights against these kind of odds all the time, and he wins.

 

[AnathemicOne]

How is this still a thing. Cap wins. Cap fights against these kind of odds all the time, and he wins.

Because like, a 2.5 ft diameter shield doesn't cover the whole body and can't block everything? Indestructible or not.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Because like, a 2.5 ft diameter shield doesn't cover the whole body and can't block everything? Indestructible or not.

The whole thing about that video that made me go "huh?". MC has a recovery shield that's full body.

Playing enough of the Halo games, that shield comes back on in 5-7 secs.

As crazy powerful Captain is, Id think full body shield, Mark VI armor, augments like shield lock, and superhuman strength gives MC a winning edge.

 

[OnPoint]

That's complete bullshit. A single magnum or assualt rifle round would have killed or at least incapacitated Captain America, but they seem to bounce right off. Even if his armor is incredibly bullet-proof, his mouth and eyes are unguarded. A quick spray towards the face could kill Cap in seconds.

I like Cap better as a character, but that was my thought the whole video.

Pretty high quality though.

 

[pants]

Because like, a 2.5 ft diameter shield doesn't cover the whole body and can't block everything? Indestructible or not.

You've never read a Captain America comic have you?

 

[Finaika]

Comparison makes no sense really. Master Chief is genetically perfect, and his skeleton is almost unbreakable. On foot, Chief can run like 60 kilometers an hour. Now couple all this with his Mjolnir Mk. VI armor, and what chance does Captain America really have? Master Chief is an indestructible tank in a sense with his armor, they can survive orbital drops in their armor, of course Cap's shield could probably destroy his armor, but Chief would be faster, stronger, taller, and would have guns no?

Cap has a handgun.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Please don't confuse me with Pallarax. I don't take Ls on purpose.

Aquaman is far stronger than Captain America and he'd beat MC's like he was giving it to Mera.

There's a mechanic in like every single Halo game where Chief has to shoot Jackals in the hand from 200 yards with a magnum to knock their shield out of the way so he can get a clear shot at their head. Chief could easily hit any body part not covered by that tiny shield.

That's the only thing I really had a problem with.

That and it didn't seem like Chief had any energy shields but it didn't seem like it would have mattered since the plasma grenade would have broken them anyway.

it isn't tiny. it covers half his body and he's far faster and more agile than the Jackals.

Just to be clear, Spider-man didn't lose that fight. Captain America had to run like a little bitch and Spider-man 'captured' the shield and just kinda gave it back to send some sort of message to the Cap.

1. sure he did.
2. and he left in a high palce so no one else but Cap can get to it to show he still had tremendous respect for him.

I stopped watching when Cap started shooting a gun.

a WWII veteran shooting a gun, who would have thought!?

Somehow MC's aim got nerfed. Or he never would have been able to kill hundreds of shield bearing jackals.

do those Jackals carry indestructible shields that they can throw like a missile?

If you play Halo 3, you can here Cortana in the first mission state this...

"They let me pick, did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research. Watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw... but me. Can you guess? Luck. Was I wrong?"

Honestly, Chief should be able to take down Captain America. Captain America is a super solider. Chief is a augmented human who has been trained to fight wars since he was a kid.

But basing this on feats, Captain America would win. But thats because of comic book writing.

training for war and fighting wars for 20-30 years straight are two different things.

The whole thing about that video that made me go "huh?". MC has a recovery shield that's full body.

Playing enough of the Halo games, that shield comes back on in 5-7 secs.

As crazy powerful Captain is, Id think full body shield, Mark VI armor, augments like shield lock, and superhuman strength gives MC a winning edge.

5 to 7 seconds is more than enough time for Cap to crack open that armor with his shield and beat chief. MC is not invulnerable.

 

[danwarb]

Shooting a WWII handgun at MC, why even try that?

The singular advantage Cap has over Master Chief is Halo attempts to cling to a shred of reason. It's like fundies versus moderates.

 

[Kieli]

I don't see how this is a fair fight at all. Captain America should take on someone his own size.

Like Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta.

 

[pants]

I don't see how this is a fair fight at all. Captain America should take on someone his own size.

Like Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta.

You mean like Batman. Batman vs Captain America or Batman vs Black Panther would cause a nuclear meltdown the likes only a combined apple + nintendo announcement could cause.

comics are serious business mate

 

[Kieli]

You mean like Batman. Batman vs Captain America or Batman vs Black Panther would cause a nuclear meltdown the likes only a combined apple + nintendo announcement could cause.

comics are serious business mate

I was being serious. Captain America can take on Thor and Hulk.

I'm pretty sure you guys would argue that Thor/Hulk would job SSJ4 Gogeta.

Ergo, Captain America should take on SSJ4 Gogeta...

 

[shadyspace]

You mean like Batman. Batman vs Captain America or Batman vs Black Panther would cause a nuclear meltdown the likes only a combined apple + nintendo announcement could cause.

comics are serious business mate

No both of those match ups would be rich with diverse and reasoned debate.

 

[Finaika]

5 to 7 seconds is more than enough time for Cap to crack open that armor with his shield and beat chief. MC is not invulnerable.

It took Cap more than 7 seconds to beat MC in the video.

Shooting a WWII handgun at MC, why even try that?

The singular advantage Cap has over Master Chief is Halo attempts to cling to a shred of reason. It's like fundies versus moderates.

The handgun has adamantium bullets.

 

[Valhelm]

Most people underestimate the power of the magnum in Halo. It might take five shots to kill an armored supersoldier, but a single shot to anywhere in the torso would instantly kill somebody not wearing power armor.

 

[pants]

I was being serious. Captain America can take on Thor and Hulk.

I'm pretty sure you guys would argue that Thor/Hulk would job SSJ4 Gogeta.

Ergo, Captain America should take on SSJ4 Gogeta...

Thats not how this works, superhero matchups arent transitive else we'd be in an eternal stalemate. It's easy to prove it's non transitive nature with an exception, you'd not even have to think 30 seconds to figure this out.

No both of those match ups would be rich with diverse and reasoned debate.

 

[Kieli]

Thats not how this works, superhero matchups arent transitive else we'd be in an eternal stalemate. It's easy to prove it's non transitive nature with an exception, you'd not even have to think 30 seconds to figure this out.

I know. I was just being silly.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Most people underestimate the power of the magnum in Halo. It might take five shots to kill an armored supersoldier, but a single shot to anywhere in the torso would instantly kill somebody not wearing power armor.

I assume you mean Halo 1's magnum. The magnum from the sequels on were limp compared to the OPness of taking out covenant grunts with the zoom on that baby.

Also, MC has a much better selection of weaponry than Cap. If MC had something like the magnum plus dual SMGs or even a battle rifle with an energy sword, Cap is done.

 

[Trey]

Most people underestimate the power of the magnum in Halo. It might take five shots to kill an armored supersoldier, but a single shot to anywhere in the torso would instantly kill somebody not wearing power armor.

HE round, so it'll basically blow the target apart.

Also, *three shots to kill. When you evoke the pistol, only the CE incarnation is worth talking about.

 

[Parallax]

I assume you mean Halo 1's magnum. The magnum from the sequels on were limp compared to the OPness of taking out covenant grunts with the zoom on that baby.

Also, MC has a much better selection of weaponry than Cap. If MC had something like the magnum plus dual SMGs or even a battle rifle with an energy sword, Cap is done.

Yeah, caps not going to fear any of that.

 

[Toxi]

Most people underestimate the power of the magnum in Halo. It might take five shots to kill an armored supersoldier, but a single shot to anywhere in the torso would instantly kill somebody not wearing power armor.

A lot of people forget the original Halo Pistol had armor-piercing shots and was a great great anti-vehicle weapon. Christ.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Yeah, caps not going to fear any of that.

Cap came to a gun fight with a pea shooter and an indestructible shield.

The man doesn't fear a lot, but being unprepared isn't a smart move.

 

[Finaika]

I assume you mean Halo 1's magnum. The magnum from the sequels on were limp compared to the OPness of taking out covenant grunts with the zoom on that baby.

Also, MC has a much better selection of weaponry than Cap. If MC had something like the magnum plus dual SMGs or even a battle rifle with an energy sword, Cap is done.

Cap has peak human reflexes. He dodges bullets with ease.

 

[Parallax]

Cap came to a gun fight with a pea shooter and an indestructible shield.

The man doesn't fear a lot, but being unprepared isn't a smart move.

i think he has enough with his shield. a pistol is more of a buckycap tool than steves.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Cap has peak human reflexes. He dodges bullets with ease.

Cap wasn't raised and trained to be a soldier his whole life. MC was.

i think he has enough with his shield. a pistol is more of a buckycap tool than steves.

The shield only does so much. Vibranium must be awfully strong to withstand an energy sword.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Cap wasn't raised and trained to be a soldier his whole life. MC was.



The shield only does so much. Vibranium must be awfully strong to withstand an energy sword.

That shield absorbs the blows of the God of Thunder. Chief's energy sword isn't shit compared to what that thing can take.

 

[nomis]

Cap has peak human reflexes. He dodges bullets with ease.

Oh, he's invincible. I see.

 

[y2dvd]

I just thought Cap was an enhanced human but now this thread got me thinking he's on par with Thor. Is Cap really that busted?

 

[Aaronology]

training for war and fighting wars for 20-30 years straight are two different things.

The Spartans' "training" consisted of actual engagements against hostile enemies since they were early teens. Experience is one category that falls pretty decisively on the MC's side, assuming you know his history.

 

[pants]

Oh, he's invincible. I see.

No, but if you want to beat cap your best bet is to shake him mentally or to bring his beliefs in question so there is a moment of doubt. Challenge cap at his mental peak and you're in for quite a fight.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I just thought Cap was an enhanced human but now this thread got me thinking he's on par with Thor. Is Cap really that busted?

Apparently, Cap is invincible and unstoppable god tier superhero because comic book writers say he is.

Never mind the fact that post WW2, Joe Simon and Jack Kirby dumped the character and left it up to future writers to morph him into whatever they wanted to in the Avengers universe.

 

[Toxi]

Cap has peak human reflexes. He dodges bullets with ease.

Wait... How the hell is dodging bullets with ease "peak human"?

 

[J10]

Apparently, Cap is invincible and unstoppable because someone had the gall to posit that he could beat Master Chief.

 

[DoktorEvil]

No, but if you want to beat cap your best bet is to shake him mentally or to bring his beliefs in question so there is a moment of doubt. Challenge cap at his mental peak and you're in for quite a fight.

So, MC tells Cap that he's about to kill Humanity's hope for survival, then show him the covenant crazy religious fanatics?

 

[Pristine_Condition]

7 spartans vs. cap? Why would that even be a thing. What would happen is Cap would say "Avengers Assemble" and then Hulk and Thor would show up and liquify the lot of them.

LOL

Actually, what would happen is Cap and Thor and the Hulk and Stark could kick back and have sammiches while watching thier old buddy THE VISION come in and murderize all seven Spartans.

 

[Random17]

Apparently, Cap is invincible and unstoppable because someone had the gall to posit that he could beat Master Chief.

Comic book CA is pretty ridiculous, though. The image posted is from one of the comics IIRC, with an exception to the parody skeleton.

This thread would be better if this everyone didn't use different (and contradictory) sources.

Comic book Captain America is ridiculously more powerful than his movie counterpart. The same applies with the Chief in certain areas of his physical abilities, i.e. the extended universe Chief generally outclasses the game-cutscene Chief when you look at his feats.

Gameplay Chief is probably the strongest version of Chief if you take glitches into account.

 

[pants]

So, MC tells Cap that he's about to kill Humanity's hope for survival, then show him the covenant crazy religious fanatics?

It's gotta be shit like civil war. Cap was pretty broken about it at the end.

 

[Parallax]

It's gotta be shit like civil war. Cap was pretty broken about it at the end.

He still ruined shit though.

His conviction wasnt broken until the firemen got involved. What a shit event.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Wait... How the hell is dodging bullets with ease "peak human"?

It's not. Nerve impulses travel at about 100ms-1. A 9mm bullet travels at ~350ms-1. A 5.56mm round from an M16 goes 1000ms-1. And even if your brain could receive the stimuli, realize to dodge and then deliver orders to your muscles, there's no way they could carry you out of the path in time in any short range (100m or less) engagement. This is 2000% superhuman behaviour.

 

[AnathemicOne]

It's not. Nerve impulses travel at about 100ms-1. A 9mm bullet travels at ~350ms-1. A 5.56mm round from an M16 goes 1000ms-1. And even if your brain could receive the stimuli, realize to dodge and then deliver orders to your muscles, there's no way they could carry you out of the path in time in any short range (100m or less) engagement. This is 2000% superhuman behaviour.

Because comic book writer nerdgasm