By giving the ball to Kyrie Irving in the playoffs when games matter.
Because that worked out before...
By giving the ball to Kyrie Irving in the playoffs when games matter.
Isiah Thomas was 467 out of 468 in defensive plus minus rating. Putting Isiah Thomas on with a team that also has Kyle Korver who was 452 and back up point guard Derrick Rose who was 442. Isiah Thomas is a great offensive player but his defense is so bad it literally makes him a liability.
I can already hear Boston sports radio prepping the damage control tomorrow on how this is a great deal because now they're finally "cashing in on the assets to win now".
Isiah Thomas was 467 out of 468 in defensive plus minus rating. Putting Isiah Thomas on with a team that also has Kyle Korver who was 452 and back up point guard Derrick Rose who was 442. Isiah Thomas is a great offensive player but his defense is so bad it literally makes him a liability.
Yeah but you still lost.....Y'all couldnt do that even when we didn't have IT and you had Kyrie
What makes you think you can sweep us now
Bill Simmons just one week ago was saying he wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie, and saying that he doesn't think you can win with Kyrie as your best player, and yet now he's busting a nut. A lot (not all, but a lot) of Celts fans have been parading around like their front office's shit doesn't stink and like Danny is outsmarting the entire league and playing 4D chess and when he finally cashes in and makes a move and it's divisive at best. Kyrie might not be able to play defense but the Celts fanbase sure can.
Don't really understand this trade for Boston. Kyrie is an upgrade over Isiah, but it's not a big upgrade. They are very similar ball dominant almost pure scorers that are really bad on defense. And for Boston to make a marginal upgrade at "PG" they give away a good defensive role player in Crowder and a valuable pick for bolstering a Celtics team post-LeBron. I think they are slightly worse this year and their future isn't quite as good. If Jalen Brown becomes the player they hoped he would be could replace Crowder, although he didn't show me a lot last year.
If Brown becomes Crowder soon then this trade isn't as bad.
Yeah but you still lost.....
That's the important part here....
Bill Simmons just one week ago was saying he wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie, and saying that he doesn't think you can win with Kyrie as your best player, and yet now he's busting a nut. A lot (not all, but a lot) of Celts fans have been parading around like their front office's shit doesn't stink and like Danny is outsmarting the entire league and playing 4D chess and when he finally cashes in and makes a move and it's divisive at best. Kyrie might not be able to play defense but the Celts fanbase sure can.
Isiah Thomas was 467 out of 468 in defensive plus minus rating. Putting Isiah Thomas on with a team that also has Kyle Korver who was 452 and back up point guard Derrick Rose who was 442. Isiah Thomas is a great offensive player but his defense is so bad it literally makes him a liability.
Isiah Thomas was 467 out of 468 in defensive plus minus rating. Putting Isiah Thomas on with a team that also has Kyle Korver who was 452 and back up point guard Derrick Rose who was 442. Isiah Thomas is a great offensive player but his defense is so bad it literally makes him a liability.
Green teamers are a special breed of delusional. Legit nothing is ever the "wrong" move to make. Danny might as well be Jesus here. Hell Zizic was being touted as the "missing piece" by some crazy ass people.
Felgah and Maz gonna be lit tomorrow with them creaming themselves over Kyrie.
Green teamers are a special breed of delusional. Legit nothing is ever the "wrong" move to make. Danny might as well be Jesus here. Hell Zizic was being touted as the "missing piece" by some crazy ass people.
Felgah and Maz gonna be lit tomorrow with them creaming themselves over Kyrie.
This is where I'm at. I don't see IT as the huge plus that everyone is talking about. He's a severe defensive liability IMO. Not saying Kyrie was lockdown, but I see him as the better addition over IT. His defensive presence alone is a huge upgrade of IT. Plus, Kyrie was no joke in the playoffs and especially the finals.Isiah Thomas was 467 out of 468 in defensive plus minus rating. Putting Isiah Thomas on with a team that also has Kyle Korver who was 452 and back up point guard Derrick Rose who was 442. Isiah Thomas is a great offensive player but his defense is so bad it literally makes him a liability.
Of all PGs, Isaiah Thomas was 80 and Kyrie was 69th. Lets not act like there is a world of difference between the two defensively. Considering that, by most metrics, IT was also better and more efficient than Kyrie offensively last year, I'd say it evens out in terms of their value/production. Again, the cost of upgrading is what I take issue with. In a vacuum yes, Kyrie is more valuable than IT for the extra year alone. But they weren't traded one for one.
This is where I'm at. I don't see IT as the huge plus that everyone is talking about. He's a severe defensive liability IMO. Not saying Kyrie was lockdown, but I see him as the better addition over IT. His defensive presence alone is a huge upgrade of IT. Plus, Kyrie was no joke in the playoffs and especially the finals.
It's sort of hilarious how quickly the Nets went from "they're gonna be bad for years and single-handedly rebuild the Celtics! Where's my 2018 mock drafts?!?" to "well now they aren't that bad!"
Maybe I'm not as basketball inclined as you are. You can enlighten me and I'm not joking. I would like to hear what you have to say. It's a discussion.@ this entire post. Is basketball really that hard to follow?
Maybe I'm not as basketball inclined as you are. You can enlighten me and I'm not joking. I would like to hear what you have to say. Its a discussion.
Yes. I'll admit, the dude can get sloppy at times.Have you watched Kyrie Irving play the game of basketball? Y/N?
Neither one of them know about the Celtics. Felger will like the movie I'm guessing though.
I'm legit asking - is it fair to say IT was better than Kyrie when he was the number one Celts option vs Kyrie playing second fiddle to the best player in the league? Doesn't seem like an apt comparison to discuss their stats outside of the role they actually played on two very different setupsOf all PGs, Isaiah Thomas was 80 and Kyrie was 69th. Lets not act like there is a world of difference between the two defensively. Considering that, by most metrics, IT was also better and more efficient than Kyrie offensively last year, I'd say it evens out in terms of their value/production. Again, the cost of upgrading is what I take issue with. In a vacuum yes, Kyrie is more valuable than IT for the extra year alone. But they weren't traded one for one.
Maybe I'm not as basketball inclined as you are. You can enlighten me and I'm not joking. I would like to hear what you have to say. Its a discussion.
Yes. I'll admit, the dude can get sloppy at times.
Don't act like every fanbase isn't this way lol
We want to be optimistic
When we still had the Nets pick I was knowingly deluding myself that the Nets pick will still be the #1 pick because it has to be, they're the Nets
Maybe I'm not as basketball inclined as you are. You can enlighten me and I'm not joking. I would like to hear what you have to say. It's a discussion.
If my post came off as he plays defense, then that was not my intentions. I was simply stating that due to his size, he's more of a presence than IT. He plays defense like his facial expression - sleepy....and you saw him play great defense?
If my post came off as he plays defense, then that was not my intentions. I was simply stating that due to his size, he's more of a presence than IT. He plays defense like his facial expression - sleepy.
I'm legit asking - is it fair to say IT was better than Kyrie when he was the number one Celts option vs Kyrie playing second fiddle to the best player in the league? Doesn't seem like an apt comparison to discuss their stats outside of the role they actually played on two very different setups
If my post came off as he plays defense, then that was not my intentions. I was simply stating that due to his size, he's more of a presence than IT. He plays defense like his facial expression - sleepy.
Ok, so second fiddle isn't accurate, but what did IT play alongside of that was at all comparable to sharing the load with LeBron James?Kyrie wasn't some role player. He took more shots PG than LeBron did, and had a higher usage rate. It's disingenuous to just shrug it off and say he was playing "second fiddle" when you look at the actual numbers.
Kyrie wasn't some role player. He took more shots PG than LeBron did, and had a higher usage rate. It's disingenuous to just shrug it off and say he was playing "second fiddle" when you look at the actual numbers.
Ok, so second fiddle isn't accurate, but what did IT play alongside of that was at all comparable to sharing the load with LeBron James?
I'm not offended. It's a forum and I expect a lot of people to have a better grasp of the subjects at hand. There are a lot of smart people in this forum. Whether it's sports, games or politics, I love hearing the responses.No worries. I'm clowning you more because I'm the only Celtics fan here who sported a Dino Radja jersey.
In terms of defensive point guards in the NBA...you're looking at maybe two/three guys. None of them who have been relevant enough to take their team anywhere. Paul will be dead before it matters. Wall might be smart.
Point is, you can have the best PG defender on the planet and it's not going to stop the guys who are going to be in the finals year after year.
Kyrie's usage rate and IT's are basically the same, except IT was far more efficient last year.
It's p simple.
It's the playoffs that matter, if you put it down logistically. IT becomes irrelevant as a presence at the big stage, and as a C's fan it was really painful to watching him struggle as much as he did in the past 3 postseasons.
Celtics were holding IT back. Expect an MVP and DPOY season from IT now that he's being weighed up by LeBron. 🤔🤔🤔LeBron was holding Kyrie back. Expect an MVP and DPOY season from Kyrie now that he's not being weighed down by LeBron.