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[Jburton]

Err, that's incredibly hyperbolic I think. 5 years ago was what, the AMD Radeon 3000 series? A modest 1.4Tflop GCN card like in the One would kill any of those.

It's not a 1.4tflop card either, it's less.

 

[IAmRandom31]

You clearly did not play Dark Souls on PC, because you wouldn't say that afterwards. The difference is staggering.

Uhh .. yeah I have lol. Got it on Steam during the past sale.

Made 0 difference in my play experience to play it at +30fps. Guess its on a per person basis.

The only big difference in the PC version is using the mod that allows the game to actually look good.

Err, that's incredibly hyperbolic I think. 5 years ago was what, the AMD Radeon 3000 series? A modest 1.4Tflop GCN card like in the One would kill any of those.

FYI, the Radeon 5770 released in October 2009, 4 years ago. 76GB/s memory bandwidth, 1.36TFLOP card.

4 years ago ....

Within the same timeframe you had cards like the 5870 and such. So you already had the higher tiers of cards back then. Like most would say, the 6770/7770 have basically been pure re-brandings with the newer tech inside the card to support the latest stuff like DX11 ( at better quality ) within the 7770. Power wise, there has been little change from 5770/6770/7770.

 

[SLY_]

- I prefer Xbox Live to PSN
- I prefer Xbox controller layout to PS controller layout
- X1 games have my interest
- I'm excited for the Xbox/Windows/Windows Phone ecosystem

You're making it sound as if people can only buy an Xbox One by accident. We knew since februari that PS4 would be superior to X1. There are people that aren't bothered enough by the power difference between X1 and PS4 to not buy an X1, why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? Games and ecosystem is the reason.

Since the itroduction of the iPhone 4, competing hardware consistently outspecced the iPhone. Even today there are spec discussions and the main reason people take iPhones lesser specifications for granted is because of the apps and the ecosystem. So please, stop portraying Xbox One buyers as ignorant idiots. Yes, 500 euro/dollar is a lot, but 400 euro is also a lot for a KillzoneKnackmachine.

Pretty much says it all. People trying to project which console others should buy is pointless. You buy what you want for your own reasons and I know it's shocking to some but the X1 has a fair bit of value for what's being offered.

 

[shinnn]

He has been banned far too many times for this sort of shit. Looks like some people just don't get the message.

Curious. What you think was the reason to my "too many" bans before?

I'm stil waiting for a reasonable answer to my arguments. Or do you guys agree that people buying XB1's are ignorant?

 

[gruenel]

So the Xbone's GPU would have been high end five years ago. It was mid-range four years ago, and entry-level three years ago.

True, that shit is so depressing.

 

[jond76]

Sure, but we are asking for why you enjoy something and there are more rational reasons (I bought the technical superior product at a lower price) or more emotional reasons (Heeey, it's my new xbox). However, like I said, both are legit and please do what makes you happy. But in a forum like GAF where we go in deep, it should be ok to discuss the "why" without everyone ticking it out. It's also no shame to just state "I'm doing it because I like Brand A more than Brand B". Nothing wrong with that.

This is terrible. So the only reason one would choose the new Xbox is purely an emotional attachment, because any rational thinking person would surely see the superior value in the PS4?

Get off your high horse. What if the specific feature to the Xbox appeal to me? Sorry, but tv pass through is a huge factor. Being able to switch to tv to games and back with voice, integrated Skype, my music, video, and games all in one input without switching is a giant deal to me.

The launch line up also appeals to me more, along with promising games such as Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Kinect Sports Rivals.

Even Xbox fitness is a great draw.

This idea that anyone free of emotional attachment would surely pick PS4 is condescending. I know what features I like. If PS4 eventually shows me enough to convince me to get one, I'll do it. Just like I bought a PS3 this Gen.

 

[Gaz_RB]

This is terrible. So the only reason one would choose the new Xbox is purely an emotional attachment, because any rational thinking person would surely see the superior value in the PS4?

Get off your high horse. What if the specific feature to the Xbox appeal to me? Sorry, but tv pass through is a huge factor. Being able to switch to tv to games and back with voice, integrated Skype, my music, video, and games all in one input without switching is a giant deal to me.

The launch line up also appeals to me more, along with promising games such as Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Kinect Sports Rivals.

Even Xbox fitness is a great draw.

This idea that anyone free of emotional attachment would surely pick PS4 is condescending. I know what features I like. If PS4 eventually shows me enough to convince me to get one, I'll do it. Just like I bought a PS3 this Gen.

Finally a rational post defending an XB1 purchase without ending with something inflammatory and stupid like "you guys stick with your killzoneknackmachine"

 

[jond76]

Finally a rational post defending an XB1 purchase without ending with something inflammatory and stupid like "you guys stick with your killzoneknackmachine"

Thank you, kind sir.

 

[graboids]

I guess that's positive Xbone news... which I am glad to hear, definitely don't want them to fail, I like having 2 competing consoles, both have enough franchises to warrant my buying both...

 

[dead monkey uk]

Or put another way, I have only ever experienced 720p gaming with limited effects, with 1080p exclusive to SKY and bluray films.

As a console gamer, yeah I want to play some games at 1080p with god rays, lighting, volumetric fog and all that jazz.

Ask me in 6 months if I think it is worth it on Ps4, I don't know yet, but I want to see for myself.

SKY content is not 1080P, limited to 720P or 1080i

As someone who has gamed over the last 8 years on a 360/PS3 and very average PC I too am looking forward to 1080P on the PS4.

 

[cmgfender]

This is terrible. So the only reason one would choose the new Xbox is purely an emotional attachment, because any rational thinking person would surely see the superior value in the PS4?

Get off your high horse. What if the specific feature to the Xbox appeal to me? Sorry, but tv pass through is a huge factor. Being able to switch to tv to games and back with voice, integrated Skype, my music, video, and games all in one input without switching is a giant deal to me.

The launch line up also appeals to me more, along with promising games such as Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Kinect Sports Rivals.

Even Xbox fitness is a great draw.

This idea that anyone free of emotional attachment would surely pick PS4 is condescending. I know what features I like. If PS4 eventually shows me enough to convince me to get one, I'll do it. Just like I bought a PS3 this Gen.

Agreed. That's really why I'm more excited for the x1, at least at launch.

 

[jaypah]

Sure, but we are asking for why you enjoy something and there are more rational reasons (I bought the technical superior product at a lower price) or more emotional reasons (Heeey, it's my new xbox). However, like I said, both are legit and please do what makes you happy. But in a forum like GAF where we go in deep, it should be ok to discuss the "why" without everyone ticking it out. It's also no shame to just state "I'm doing it because I like Brand A more than Brand B". Nothing wrong with that.

Maybe the games that MS showed were interesting enough to buy the console? I fall into the "price/power" camp so I'm getting a PS4 at launch and a 180 next year but I can totally respect that there are people who will only buy 1 console and will choose the 180 because of the games.

 

[Thrakier]

This is terrible. So the only reason one would choose the new Xbox is purely an emotional attachment, because any rational thinking person would surely see the superior value in the PS4?

Get off your high horse. What if the specific feature to the Xbox appeal to me? Sorry, but tv pass through is a huge factor. Being able to switch to tv to games and back with voice, integrated Skype, my music, video, and games all in one input without switching is a giant deal to me.

The launch line up also appeals to me more, along with promising games such as Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Kinect Sports Rivals.

Even Xbox fitness is a great draw.

This idea that anyone free of emotional attachment would surely pick PS4 is condescending. I know what features I like. If PS4 eventually shows me enough to convince me to get one, I'll do it. Just like I bought a PS3 this Gen.

Sorry but as a European who couldn't not use the TV features anyway and who owns a great tablet device for apps I really did not consider that. My opinion is solely based on the perspective of a hardcore gamer and those consoles are 99% gaming machines to me. Everything else I got a better alternative anyway. But if that's your reason to buy a x1 yeah I get it.

 

[mrklaw]

Very few people care about graphics.

Most People care about Graphics per dollar.

It's a key differentiator.

hmm. My maths will probably get pretty wonky, but lets have a go for fun:

- PS4 is 1.84TF at $399. Thats 4.6GF per dollar
- Xbox is 1.18TF (allowing for the 10% reservation) at $499. Thats 2.3GF per dollar.

So based on Gigaflops per dollar, PS4 is actually 100% more than Xbox one

 

[something fishy]

True, that shit is so depressing.

but entry level.. a 560 wasn't entry level back then and was about that?

it is a shame these cards are weak at the start of a gen though for sure.

 

[phosphor112]

Thank you, kind sir.

It was a good post.

 

[FaintColt388301]

Best selling Xbox game is Halo. Its already announced (and for 2014?). Plus a Halo film series to be released on the console, and directed by Spielberg.

Second best selling game on Xbox was Gears of War, which originated from a partnership with Epic. This gen this partnertship is with Crytek. We will find out how it turns out soon.

Third best selling game on Xbox is Fable. New game already announced.

Fourth best selling game on Xbox is Forza. Launch game.

Xbox Live is a strong point for the Xbox. The power of cloud, dedicated servers, smartmatch.

Kinect gave the X360 a huge bump. New Kinect in the box.

Now list Sony's best selling games on PS3 and tell me how playstation fans will be playing their favorite games in the near future.

Reason to buy a PS4? its cheaper! I'm doing it right?

Last Halo made me lose all interest in the series.

Ryse is not looking good.

Don't care about Fable.

Xbox Live is overrated. It doesn't mean anything to people who just want to play single player and still has a paywall for apps and whatnot

Kinect does not interest me in the slightest

The one thing they have in that list is Forza but even that is meh. It's nothing to justify a purchase of an xbone

I trust Sony. They might not have a bunch of great games at launch but with how these last couple years have gone I know they'll keep consistently putting out good exclusives that I enjoy. Their online, UI, and controller have improved. As long as they support it like they did the PS3 I'll be more than happy. Can't wait for Naughty Dog, media molecule, and Sony San Diego to announce their new projects.

 

[Shambles]

Err, that's incredibly hyperbolic I think. 5 years ago was what, the AMD Radeon 3000 series? A modest 1.4Tflop GCN card like in the One would kill any of those.

DDR3 cripples even the lowest end of low end GPUs. If we had a couple TB of GDDR5 for the GPU on the XBone this would be a very different story. I wouldn't even pair a $50 GPU with DDR3, let alone one in the $140ish range. On papre it might look like a 7850, but it won't perform anywhere near it.

 

[mrklaw]

I think someone noted earlier, but while the mainstream consumer may not be able to discern the difference between 900p and 1080p, a narrative can still develop in public perception: "the PS4 is more powerful and the games all look better on PS4."

For people considering relatively expensive upgrades essentially to play better versions of their annualised blockbusters, this can have impact on purchase intent.

That will contribute towards a value proposition already bolstered by a lower pricepoint.

full HD is a good one to get traction. If PS4 has more 'full HD' games and Xbox doesn't, then even normal, non techy consumers will understand that 'full' is better than 'not full'.

 

[Woffls]

I, for one, am glad resolution and frame rate is all that matters now. Why look at screenshots when all you need is two numbers to show how good a game looks!

[edit] GF per dollar? Fuck it, I'm out.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

This is terrible. So the only reason one would choose the new Xbox is purely an emotional attachment, because any rational thinking person would surely see the superior value in the PS4?

Get off your high horse. What if the specific feature to the Xbox appeal to me? Sorry, but tv pass through is a huge factor. Being able to switch to tv to games and back with voice, integrated Skype, my music, video, and games all in one input without switching is a giant deal to me.

The launch line up also appeals to me more, along with promising games such as Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Kinect Sports Rivals.

Even Xbox fitness is a great draw.

This idea that anyone free of emotional attachment would surely pick PS4 is condescending. I know what features I like. If PS4 eventually shows me enough to convince me to get one, I'll do it. Just like I bought a PS3 this Gen.

I think your getting bent for no reason.
You pretty much answered his question, the XB1 is a Multimedia device that does games and you seem to have purchased it for both the multimedia properties and the Games.

 

[Jburton]

I, for one, am glad resolution and frame rate is all that matters now. Why look at screenshots when all you need is two numbers to show how good a game looks!

[edit] GF per dollar? Fuck it, I'm out.

Settle down.

 

[geordiemp]

SKY content is not 1080P, limited to 720P or 1080i

As someone who has gamed over the last 8 years on a 360/PS3 and very average PC I too am looking forward to 1080P on the PS4.

Yeah, I know sky is 1080i and less bandwidth than bluray....but looks like we are pumped for some nice looking games.

Just looked over at the Killzone preview thread, and although nice pics and all, I cant wait to se how this looks on a 50 inch display....

 

[JB1981]

This is terrible. So the only reason one would choose the new Xbox is purely an emotional attachment, because any rational thinking person would surely see the superior value in the PS4?

Get off your high horse. What if the specific feature to the Xbox appeal to me? Sorry, but tv pass through is a huge factor. Being able to switch to tv to games and back with voice, integrated Skype, my music, video, and games all in one input without switching is a giant deal to me.

The launch line up also appeals to me more, along with promising games such as Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Kinect Sports Rivals.

Even Xbox fitness is a great draw.

This idea that anyone free of emotional attachment would surely pick PS4 is condescending. I know what features I like. If PS4 eventually shows me enough to convince me to get one, I'll do it. Just like I bought a PS3 this Gen.

Yea, this place has gotten out of control. It's crazy.

 

[geordiemp]

I, for one, am glad resolution and frame rate is all that matters now. Why look at screenshots when all you need is two numbers to show how good a game looks!

[edit] GF per dollar? Fuck it, I'm out.

chill - its all icing on the cake. We want it all, nice controllers, nice gameplay, nice graphics, nice framerate.... the lot.

 

[Jack cw]

hmm. My maths will probably get pretty wonky, but lets have a go for fun:

- PS4 is 1.84TF at $399. Thats 4.6GF per dollar
- Xbox is 1.18TF (allowing for the 10% reservation) at $499. Thats 2.3GF per dollar.

So based on Gigaflops per dollar, PS4 is actually 100% more than Xbox one

Beautiful

I, for one, am glad resolution and frame rate is all that matters now. Why look at screenshots when all you need is two numbers to show how good a game looks!

[edit] GF per dollar? Fuck it, I'm out.

Appearently sarcasm isnt something people understand when in war.

 

[watership]

This is terrible. So the only reason one would choose the new Xbox is purely an emotional attachment, because any rational thinking person would surely see the superior value in the PS4?

Get off your high horse. What if the specific feature to the Xbox appeal to me? Sorry, but tv pass through is a huge factor. Being able to switch to tv to games and back with voice, integrated Skype, my music, video, and games all in one input without switching is a giant deal to me.

The launch line up also appeals to me more, along with promising games such as Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Kinect Sports Rivals.

Even Xbox fitness is a great draw.

This idea that anyone free of emotional attachment would surely pick PS4 is condescending. I know what features I like. If PS4 eventually shows me enough to convince me to get one, I'll do it. Just like I bought a PS3 this Gen.

Excellent post. There is this running assumption that anyone buying an Xbox One is either a fanboy, or misinformed. It's extremely condescending bullshit. The things that matter throughout a console generation are the games ecosystem and features. Hardware matters, but this will not be something so significant that it will be Xbox 360>Wii like differences. The Xbox One is powerful, and while It might not be as powerful at the PS4, the hyperbole that it's 'weak' is enormously stupid rhetoric.

 

[tradeoff]

for all this talk of some mystical graphical difference, you will be hard pressed to find a hardcore gamer, much less an average joe, who would look at the launch titles and see any power difference. Many might actually think the XB1 is more powerful.

Killzone and Ryse are the graphical showcases on each platform and both are looking impressive for launch titles, but which looks better comes down to preference. Some might even say Killzone looks no better than Crysis 2 on a PC two years ago. Driveclub bowed to Forza. There's nothing to compare to Killer Instinct and Dead Rising on the other system. And except for the COD res rumors, we haven't heard about any real differences in 3rd party games. Does anyone expect Madden and Fifa to look different? showmethereceipts_whitney.gif

Then you got real industy pros like Carmack and Mikami saying any difference is insignificant and this 50% talk becomes nothing more weightless rhetoric.

 

[nictron]

I'd actually be curious if someone attempts to take the cell phone approach to game consoles. MS already flirted with it with the subsidized model.

They'd have to be pretty strict about enforcing game compatibility though, and it would definitely be a long-shot (and mostly unprecedented in the console world)

Yeah, I have been talking to some friends about that. I'm not a tech genius that thoroughly understands system architecture, it seems like the esram setup would make the incremental hardware update more difficult. Hence the limited backwards compatibility.

 

[E92 M3]

With Xbox being so underpowered this gen, what are chances we'll see a new console within 4-5 years? Or a spin-off the Xbox brand that'll be dedicated to gamers and the Xbox One will be primarily for the media. Think Xbox Pro. Will that cause too much market confusion? As of right now, I can't see MS staying competitive for long with these specs.

 

[jond76]

I think your getting bent for no reason.
You pretty much answered his question, the XB1 is a Multimedia device that does games and you seem to have purchased it for both the multimedia properties and the Games.

Trust me, I'm not mad. Its just concerning that the decision to get an Xbox is made to mean that the purchaser of it is simply too emotionally invested to make a more "rational" decision.

My reply was an attempt to help people understand that the decision to buy an Xbox can indeed also be a rational one. Because if no one steps up to explain, then the ridiculous notion that "PS4 is a rational thinker's console" will take a foothold.

 

[gamechanger87]

I'm tired of all these reasonable posts. Can't we go back to FLOP comparisons?

 

[New002]

This is terrible. So the only reason one would choose the new Xbox is purely an emotional attachment, because any rational thinking person would surely see the superior value in the PS4?

Get off your high horse. What if the specific feature to the Xbox appeal to me? Sorry, but tv pass through is a huge factor. Being able to switch to tv to games and back with voice, integrated Skype, my music, video, and games all in one input without switching is a giant deal to me.

The launch line up also appeals to me more, along with promising games such as Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, and Kinect Sports Rivals.

Even Xbox fitness is a great draw.

This idea that anyone free of emotional attachment would surely pick PS4 is condescending. I know what features I like. If PS4 eventually shows me enough to convince me to get one, I'll do it. Just like I bought a PS3 this Gen.

Solid post. I was thinking about this yesterday in the big cod 720p thread when someone posted that the only reason a person would be picking up an Xbox One at this point is "brand loyalty and stupidity." Comments similar to this pop up fairly often and it's sad to see.

 

[Special C]

It amazes me all the people who can't seem to comprehend the simple fact that some people want an Xbox 1. Why does it bother you so much? Do you need to validate your PS4 purchase? It's getting ridiculous on here. I'm buying an XB1 only but I couldn't care less that some people are only buying a PS4. I can see some of the clear advantages the PS4 has.

To suggest that someone can't logically desire the things that the Xbox 1 offers and that any preference is based on familiarity, misinformation, fanboyism, emotion, etc is both idiotic and narcissistic .

Sorry If I’m coming off as being a jerk, but the toxicity of these comments is starting to grate on me. Enjoy your console of choice and argue the merits of each individual console without resorting to suggesting that people are idiots for making the choice they made.

Maybe I should just take my own advice and stop worrying about what other people think

 

[gamechanger87]

With Xbox being so underpowered this gen, what are chances we'll see a new console within 4-5 years? Or a spin-off the Xbox brand that'll be dedicated to gamers and the Xbox One will be primarily for the media. Think Xbox Pro. Will that cause too much market confusion? As of right now, I can't see MS staying competitive for long with these specs.

Erm no. Nice try though.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a smaller box down the line that can only operate apps, skype, kinect etc but no games. Live subscription required. Some people don't want to play games but they want all the rest.

 

[FaintColt388301]

With Xbox being so underpowered this gen, what are chances we'll see a new console within 4-5 years? Or a spin-off the Xbox brand that'll be dedicated to gamers and the Xbox One will be primarily for the media. Think Xbox Pro. Will that cause too much market confusion? As of right now, I can't see MS staying competitive for long with these specs.

I'd say next to no chance. They could just end up making it a shorter generation, this current gen lasted really long but in all fairness it could have lasted longer. Unless they completely fail, which I doubt they will, I don't see it happening. They can't split the user base or abandon the people who are supporting them. It worked for the DS but that's because it's priced relatively cheap.

 

[OriginalThinking]

They can't afford fragmentation, see Android

You mean near enough the most popular widely spread OS of all time? Yeah, sounds like you've made a good comparison here.....

 

[Crimson_Fate]

With Xbox being so underpowered this gen, what are chances we'll see a new console within 4-5 years? Or a spin-off the Xbox brand that'll be dedicated to gamers and the Xbox One will be primarily for the media. Think Xbox Pro. Will that cause too much market confusion? As of right now, I can't see MS staying competitive for long with these specs.

Not likely, don't think they would recover their losses in that time. It really depends upon how their sales go.

If anything were to happen it would most likely be a massive overclock on the GEN 1 units followed by better hardware without OC in GEN 2 .

 

[Goku]

Your argument was 10/10 and it was a great response to a lot of people in this thread.
Except for that last line. That just makes you sound bitter.

But regardless, a lot of truth in this post.

Good on you, buy what you like.

Its close to 2014, all my TVs are 1080P, some are smart TVs with you tube and Netflix and even have wands with them, all satellite is 1080i with hours of recording and playback....we have smart phones, Ipads, youtube access choices on probably 6 or 7 devices in 1 house...

I expected next gen consoles to be 1080P60 without ANY effort. I have enough app machines and functionality from enough devices not to give a damn and cannot even be bothered to count

(even worse is because we are UK most apps are rubbish - to get current 2013 films you have not many choices in UK other than Sky or renting films...)

Sorry, just don't get the 'app thing

Calling the PS4 a killzoneknackmachine is extremely shortsighted. If you completely dismiss all of Sony's other studios and exclusives games (which greatly exceed xbox's imo) that will release some great stuff later on then I fell bad for you

Man it'd be easier to agree with you if you didn't mix your rationality and perspective with comments like this

But 500$ is a lot for a 720p machine.

The arguement is that a next generation device shouldn't be this underpowered and it if it is, it should be priced accordingly. Like I've said, I find $500,- a lot for the Xbox One, a 720 machine if you will, aaron.
Withing the same context of next gen, what PS4 offers in terms of content compared to current gen isn't impressive, it's basically Killzone and Knack. I'm not oblivious to the other games PS4 will receive, like many indie titles and multiplatform titles. Within the context of the arguement, the Xbox One beeing relatively underpowered brings down the next gen experience, therefor justifying the 500USD/euro is difficult. In my opinion, the PS4 also lacks a next gen experience, not in power however, but in software. To me, at this moment, 500 is a lot for Xbox One because of future perspective and 400 is a lot for a machine whos main drivers (flagships if you will) are Knack and Killzone: SF. What I'm trying to say is that both have strong arguements to why one shouldn't buy either of them, at this moment, and that personal prefrence is key.

 

[Drek]

Excellent post. There is this running assumption that anyone buying an Xbox One is either a fanboy, or misinformed. It's extremely condescending bullshit. The things that matter throughout a console generation are the games ecosystem and features. Hardware matters, but this will not be something so significant that it will be Xbox 360>Wii like differences. The Xbox One is powerful, and while It might not be as powerful at the PS4, the hyperbole that it's 'weak' is enormously stupid rhetoric.

How is it stupid when the gap, while not X360>Wii levels is in the neighborhood of Xbox > PS2 levels, but with the superior hardware at a $100 lower MSRP?

I mean, we're talking about a 50% raw power advantage, more silicon to take advantage of said raw power advantage, more system memory available to games, higher memory bandwidth, and on top of all that it's all easier to code for than the competition. This is the single most significant hardware gap between two directly competing, simultaneously launching systems in industry history. And the more powerful system is $100 cheaper.

It's pretty damn hard to by hyperbolic about the technical gap between these two systems given how similar the technological foundation they both come from is and how close their respective launches are.

People are entitled to like the franchises that they like and the features that they like. But lets not act like there isn't a massive hardware gap and that people picking the XB1 are paying more money for inferior hardware due entirely to feature preference (a valid choice mind you).

 

[CoG]

PS2 had the best titles going into last gen and we see what happened there. Sony invested the entire last generation bolstering their first-party lineup when most of the PS2 franchises went multi-platform. Microsoft managed to lose the primary dev for Halo, lose Epic for GoW, milk the last teat Fable had left and make a bunch of Kinect shovelware.

With PS4 undoubtedly selling more units than Xbone this gen those moneyhat exclusive windows for Xbone are going to get harder and harder to pull off. Microsoft's entire "third-party leads on Xbox" strategy that worked so well last gen will evaporate this time around.

So if you're betting on game, PS4 is the safe bet. Unless you *must* have a Halo2k14 created by a B team.

 

[Joeki11a]

Good stuff from CBOAT. Looks like the console will have long legs after all. If Sony could do it with PS3, MS surely can as well.

Or not, MS doesnt seem to have the patience
Sony has.

 

[Jburton]

It amazes me all the people who can't seem to comprehend the simple fact that some people want an Xbox 1. Why does it bother you so much? Do you need to validate your PS4 purchase? It's getting ridiculous on here. I'm buying an XB1 only but I couldn't care less that some people are only buying a PS4. I can see some of the clear advantages the PS4 has.

To suggest that someone can't logically desire the things that the Xbox 1 offers and that any preference is based on familiarity, misinformation, fanboyism, emotion, etc is both idiotic and narcissistic .

Sorry If I’m coming off as being a jerk, but the toxicity of these comments is starting to grate on me. Enjoy your console of choice and argue the merits of each individual console without resorting to suggesting that people are idiots for making the choice they made.

Maybe I should just take my own advice and stop worrying about what other people think

There is as much assholery coming from both sides.

I don't question people choices ....... you want an Xbox One, get it ...... no need to defend your purchase and the same for PS4 buyers.



As for people discussing the shortcomings of Xbox One in terms of tech etc, that's the nature of a forum created for discussion around gaming and all that goes with it.

Enjoy your purchase and forget about those ridiculing it, fuck em.

 

[hoos30]

CBOAT better be on the lookout. The White House just outted and fired a guy who was posting inside info on Twitter by feeding him false information.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Maybe the games that MS showed were interesting enough to buy the console? I fall into the "price/power" camp so I'm getting a PS4 at launch and a 180 next year but I can totally respect that there are people who will only buy 1 console and will choose the 180 because of the games.

It seems rather contradictory to be set on buying one system for the gen, and to do so based on launch games. Not least of which because these systems will ultimately share the vast majority of their titles.

I'm sure it will cause umbrage to say this, but I imagine if one who says "I'm getting a PS4 because Killzone." or "Xbox One because Forza." really introspectively reflects on their purchase intent the underlying reality is more "I'm getting a PS4/Xbox One because that's the system I've chosen/brand I prefer and Killzone/Forza happens to be on it." for a lot of people.

 

[Gaz_RB]

The arguement is that a next generation device shouldn't be this underpowered and it if it is, it should be priced accordingly. Like I've said, I find $500,- a lot for the Xbox One, a 720 machine if you will, aaron.
Withing the same context of next gen, what PS4 offers in terms of content compared to current gen isn't impressive, it's basically Killzone and Knack. I'm not oblivious to the other games PS4 will receive, like many indie titles and multiplatform titles. Within the context of the arguement, the Xbox One beeing relatively underpowered brings down the next gen experience, therefor justifying the 500USD/euro is difficult. In my opinion, the PS4 also lacks a next gen experience, not in power however, but in software. To me, at this moment, 500 is a lot for Xbox One because of future perspective and 400 is a lot for a machine whos main drivers (flagships if you will) are Knack and Killzone: SF. What I'm trying to say is that both have strong arguements to why one shouldn't buy either of them, at this moment, and that personal prefrence is key.

I agree with this. Personal preference is key, and it's perfectly acceptable for someone to want an XB1. They shouldn't be attacked for it as being irrational or emotional.

 

[graboids]

the WiiU isn't as powerful as the PS4, but people buy Nintendo hardware to play Mario and Zelda anyway, shouldn't be hard to believe people would buy an Xbone for Halo and Forza... $100 price difference could be a big deal, but I think some people's loyalty to franchises and their XBL friends list is probably worth more than $100 to them...

 

[E92 M3]

Erm no. Nice try though.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a smaller box down the line that can only operate apps, skype, kinect etc but no games. Live subscription required. Some people don't want to play games but they want all the rest.

I could see them making a media box, but for that to be effective they need to get back in the good graces with us. Definitely thinking that if MS wants to continue with the brand some kind of radical changes will happen within 3 years.

I'd say next to no chance. They could just end up making it a shorter generation, this current gen lasted really long but in all fairness it could have lasted longer. Unless they completely fail, which I doubt they will, I don't see it happening. They can't split the user base or abandon the people who are supporting them. It worked for the DS but that's because it's priced relatively cheap.

Creating a diverging product line isn't so crazy these days, though - consumers are used to it. And I think while the failure won't be massive, it'll get attention from investors. Once news starting coming out that COD,NFS, or any other game is prettier on the PS4, Joe Public will start talking.

Not likely, don't think they would recover their losses in that time. It really depends upon how their sales go.

If anything were to happen it would most likely be a massive overclock on the GEN 1 units followed by better hardware without OC in GEN 2 .

Is a massive OC even realistic with their cooling solution? Would be a cool way to fix their issue, though. Also, realistically, how far can their GPU be OC in the ideal environment?

 

[Curufinwe]

for all this talk of some mystical graphical difference, you will be hard pressed to find a hardcore gamer, much less an average joe, who would look at the launch titles and see any power difference. Many might actually think the XB1 is more powerful.

It's hard to compare the multiplatform titles when publishers only show the PS4 and PC versions.

Killzone and Ryse are the graphical showcases on each platform and both are looking impressive for launch titles, but which looks better comes down to preference. Some might even say Killzone looks no better than Crysis 2 on a PC two years ago. Driveclub bowed to Forza. There's nothing to compare to Killer Instinct and Dead Rising on the other system. And except for the COD res rumors, we haven't heard about any real differences in 3rd party games. Does anyone expect Madden and Fifa to look different? showmethereceipts_whitney.gif

Then you got real industy pros like Carmack and Mikami saying any difference is insignificant and this 50% talk becomes nothing more weightless rhetoric.

Funny how what they say is important to you, but all the other quotes from actual developers talking about the PS4 having significantly more power are just weightless rhetoric.

 

[tipoo]

It's not a 1.4tflop card either, it's less.

Either way. A 1Tflop GCN card would still kill anything in the AMD HD3000 series. Still hyperbolic.