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Very true.
Great rebuttal with that pic. Guess there wasn't a vast difference in quality of life between the west and the USSR. Soviet citizens were no doubt much happier working a few hours less a week.
Very true.
You like overtime pay. Thank unions
You like holidays. Thank unions.
You like minimum wage. Thank unions.
You like child labor laws. Thank unions
You like that your employer can't lock you inside your workplace during working hours. Thank unions.
TUIF
Thank unions it's Friday
On the contrary. It's the best system mankind has ever devised. It has produced the freest, wealthiest societies ever known to mankind. People all over the world flee non-capitalist countries and try to get into capitalist countries, not the other way around.
In fact, it is the only moral system because it's the only system based on voluntary win-win transactions. It is precisely when it fails to live up to that core intrinsic principle that it fails.
Last, but least, the entire videogame industry is a product of capitalism.
Videogames wouldn't exist without capitalism. The hardware wouldn't exist, the software wouldn't exist, studios wouldn't exist, the consumer base wouldn't exist, the infrastructure wouldn't exist.
There's also the principled defence of individual rights, the right to govern one's professional life as one wishes, according to one's values, and not the values of someone else.
That's how you would describe working an additional 8 days for the next two months? Really?
I come back to this point.
That decision is not for you to make. It is for each individual developer to make, no matter how noble, how wise, how sensitive, how self-evident you may think your injunctions are.
I alone get to decide how I conduct my professional life. I don't recall CDPR developers giving you a call and asking for advice. They're adults, they're though guys and gals, they can make decisions, thank you.
They're certainly entitled to want that for their lives. It is in fact their right to want that. Just as it is CDPR's right to want the best for the studio. It's almost as though for some management has no rights. Just like devs have the right to look out for their best interests, management has the right to look out for their best interests.
To keep things in perspective, it looks like what we're talking here is 8 more days in the next two months.
You find unacceptable?
Opt out of the game then.
Developers, no one else, is bound by your own personal opinions on anything until you persuade them of the merits of your position. And since your effort in that department is rather lacking, I don't see too many people changing their minds over your post.
I don't believe that statistics.
Polish workers get free saturdays (not all of them, but few in whole year) in 1973 and people were working in 6 day work days till almost end of communism.
”Anyone who loves freedom owes to the Red Army more than he will be able to pay in a lifetime”.
— Ernest Hemingway
But he's only a Nobel and Pulitzer prize winner writer who was an ambulance driver in World War I, a journalist on the field in the spanish Civil War and the Normandy landings and the Liberation of Paris in World War II, so I guess he had no fucking idea about what he was talking about.
You as essential worker, you work shedule does not matter, didn't you hear?From the title I immediately knew its a Jason Schcunt related news
It happens. Does it mean its alright? no. But is it sometimes necessary? yes.
Ssshhhhh. I work 12 hours everyday but hey, crunch is bad only when they care.
What a fucking sad ass education...”Anyone who loves freedom owes to the Red Army more than he will be able to pay in a lifetime”.
— Ernest Hemingway
But he's only a Nobel and Pulitzer prize winner writer who was an ambulance driver in World War I, a journalist on the field in the spanish Civil War and the Normandy landings and the Liberation of Paris in World War II, so I guess he had no fucking idea about what he was talking about.
lol why?Absolutely fuck that. I'd be out.
You like overtime pay. Thank unions
You like holidays. Thank unions.
You like minimum wage. Thank unions.
You like child labor laws. Thank unions
You like that your employer can't lock you inside your workplace during working hours. Thank unions.
TUIF
Thank unions it's Friday
My father and brother both work in jobs where they are forced to partake in Unions.
Do I like that my brother who after 30 years on the job had a position he loved and lost it and had his pay cut in half because the Union boss wanted that position given to his son?
People are just taking the "woke" approach. I agree with you, its normal in most jobs, and they get a % of the profits lolOkay and? I’ve had plenty of jobs that needed mandatory overtime at one point or another. Why people think this is wrong when it comes to entertainment but okay in every other field is beyond me.
Seriously, if someone in the industry wants to change places I’m one DM away and fucking sick of IT.
I repeat myself if it wasn't clear : it's unacceptable. And I really don't care my position is not supported by most people on a gamer forum. Duh...
I care about the people working there
and the affect on their wellbeing.
That should be paramount, not gamers stupid and childish impatience.
The game must be delayed. Period.
I don't care gamers are crying because they won't have the game in time. Deal with it.
roflAbsolutely fuck that. I'd be out.
Is this all he does now? This is his gossip speciality? Well, whatever brings in the outrage/revenue, right Jason?
Pretty much. This isn't news at all. All of our favorite devs and pubs have been doing this for decades. This is overdramatic and ridiculous.Is this all he does now? This is his gossip speciality? Well, whatever brings in the outrage/revenue, right Jason?
Great rebuttal with that pic. Guess there wasn't a vast difference in quality of life between the west and the USSR. Soviet citizens were no doubt much happier working a few hours less a week.
I heard from many people straight that Russian "liberation" was worse than German occupation. I heard that from people living 20-30 km from Auschwitz during war.
What a fucking sad ass education...
Yeah I agree. He's a gossip columnist who is somehow lauded in the gaming industry.Has he done anything else in the past few years?
The funny part is that at Kotaku his title was "news editor." I don't remember him writing "news" in ages. Rumors and gossip aren't news.
Good bye.That's a different discussion, but glad we agree they worked less hours.
You can even hear "sieg heil!" from many people, even today, but I'm sure the Auschwitz prisoners were horrified by the Red Army liberating them from the death camp and the gas chambers. As the rest of the world was by the Red Army defeating the Nazi regime.
- Almost half of all victims of the WHOLE WWII were soviet: 27 million.
- 70% of all Nazi soldiers deaths in combat across all WWII were on the Eastern Front (3.562.739), in contrast with only 15% in the Western Front (749.972).
Just during the 200 days of the Battle of Stalingrad 800.000 Nazi soldiers and their allies died, more than in all the Western Front.
We live in a literal dystopia in which there are people who believe that working hard is bad and since they hate having to work hard, they're trying to prevent everyone else from working hard as well
That's a different discussion, but glad we agree they worked less hours.
You can even hear "sieg heil!" from many people, even today, but I'm sure the Auschwitz prisoners were horrified by the Red Army liberating them from the death camp and the gas chambers. As the rest of the world was by the Red Army defeating the Nazi regime.
- Almost half of all victims of the WHOLE WWII were soviet: 27 million.
- 70% of all Nazi soldiers deaths in combat across all WWII were on the Eastern Front (3.562.739), in contrast with only 15% in the Western Front (749.972).
Just during the 200 days of the Battle of Stalingrad 800.000 Nazi soldiers and their allies died, more than in all the Western Front.
Pretty sure that is the dystopian thing....
Karoshi - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
"Karoshi (過労死, Karōshi), which can be translated literally as "overwork death" is a Japanese term relating to occupational sudden mortality. The most common medical causes of karoshi deaths are heart attacks or strokes due to stress and a starvation diet. Mental stress from the workplace can also cause karoshi through workers taking their own lives. People who commit suicide due to overwork are called karōjisatsu (過労自殺). The phenomenon of death by overwork is also widespread in other parts of Asia."
Just give it a few years for this "trend" to spread in the West too.
The fairies/weak comment is just a poke at those complaining about a mandatory additional day of work, I not "Blaming" them for anything.
Exactly. For a game like Cyberpunk 2077 that's huge and hyped, they're wanting to do everything they can to ensure everything is the best it can be for submission. That way everything can be A-OK for launch. I wish Jason would just stop with the clickbait drama nonsense. It's not like CP2077 is the first game that's done it this way, lol. There were most certainly SEVERAL in the past year or two.I think this is overblown, if they were asking them to work 6 days a week through the whole project, that wouldn't be acceptable. However in the crunch as they are trying deliver, for a few weeks - less than ideal, but acceptable.
Calm down and breathe.But you’re flipping this...
It was CDPR who said, boastingly, that they’d never make their workers crunch. They did this because they knew it was what their fans wanted to hear. They were criticized for pushing their workers too hard during development of The Witcher 3 - so they threw out this meaningless statement.
CDPR should be criticized here - not its employees.
This silly debate that’s raging on.... about how many gruelling hours everyone works... has nothing to do with the real issue here, which is CDPR lying in order to make themselves look like this super cool developer that really knows how to treat its employees.
It’s bullshit. And CDPR does this constantly.... so as the result of them being caught in another lie.... what?... let’s just ignore the lie... and dogpile on their employees?
WTF???
They tried, had to delay, need to meet this date. Why do people get hung up on that they “lied”?But you’re flipping this...
It was CDPR who said, boastingly, that they’d never make their workers crunch. They did this because they knew it was what their fans wanted to hear. They were criticized for pushing their workers too hard during development of The Witcher 3 - so they threw out this meaningless statement.
CDPR should be criticized here - not its employees.
This silly debate that’s raging on.... about how many gruelling hours everyone works... has nothing to do with the real issue here, which is CDPR lying in order to make themselves look like this super cool developer that really knows how to treat its employees.
It’s bullshit. And CDPR does this constantly.... so as the result of them being caught in another lie.... what?... let’s just ignore the lie... and dogpile on their employees?
WTF???
I work six days a week and nobody give's a toss