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CES 2010 Official Thread - Rise of the Machines

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Yep.. A multi platform app store is nice. Samsung connectivity is a dumb idea. We already have so many different connectivity profiles. The last thing we need is another.

Edit: Looks like lcd shutter is what we're going to wear in the next few years. Annoying because they are a bit heavy, though they are the best currently.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Wait when is Apple's event? I know they have that thing on the 26th, but I am more interested in when they will announce new Macbook Pros... any idea?

Apple generally doesn't particpate in CES (at least not with Keynotes). You have to wait until the 26th for any announcements from them
 
I bought a Samsung LED-8050 46" late last year. But I have always planned to buy a 3DTV this year or early next year and right now, my decision is the Samsung LED-TV 9000. It is 3D-capable with LCD shutter glasses. Still got the apps and now even an App Store this spring. It got brushed aluminium. Auto-sensoring. 0.3mm thin. And a touch remote control.
 
I'm watching. Right now it just has some big ceo's talking about 3D. It's not showing them for some reason on CNET, just the audio.
 
H_Prestige said:
So it looks like Panasonic isn't the only one moving towards brushed metal chassis. Good riddance to glossy black.
I actually think it is terribly tacky. I am a little disappointed in how it looks, the 4-pronged stand on one of the models is pretty ugly IMO:

ces20100110.jpg


Glossy black looks great when the lights are off, it's as if the TV isn't even there...well, on TVs with good black levels at least.

I might jump on a 2009 Samsung LED...not impressed with the 2010 designs PERSONALLY, and don't care for 3D until there is tons of content.
 
So I was scrolling down the engadget page and was thinking.....show this to someone 20 years ago and they wouldnt understand a single word :lol Its all acronyms and such. Hell show this to my grandmother and she wouldnt understand a single word.


LG reveals Full HD 3D projector, Skype-enabled HDTVs and more at CES
LG to ship HDTVs with WHDI wireless technology baked in
LG's 6.9mm thin LED-backlit LCD hands-on at CES
AT&T finally goes Android, confirms Dell, HTC and Motorola on board


Whos LG? Whats HD? Whats Skype? Whats HDTV? Whats CES? Whats WHDI? etc etc
 
NYR said:
I actually think it is terribly tacky. I am a little disappointed in how it looks, the 4-pronged stand on one of the models is pretty ugly IMO:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/ces20100110.jpg
Glossy black looks great when the lights are off, it's as if the TV isn't even there...well, on TVs with good black levels at least.

I might jump on a 2009 Samsung LED...not impressed with the 2010 designs PERSONALLY, and don't care for 3D until there is tons of content.

Wow, that stand looks terrible. What was Samsung thinking?
 
Anastacio said:
I bought a Samsung LED-8050 46" late last year. But I have always planned to buy a 3DTV this year or early next year and right now, my decision is the Samsung LED-TV 9000. It is 3D-capable with LCD shutter glasses. Still got the apps and now even an App Store this spring. It got brushed aluminium. Auto-sensoring. 0.3mm thin. And a touch remote control.

You have a link to the specs? Thats their top of the line? 55inches i presume?
 
Not impressed with the new Samsung LED tv designs. The stand looks terrible. But this touch screen remote control which can display video from other av sources is really really cool.
 
NYR said:
I actually think it is terribly tacky. I am a little disappointed in how it looks, the 4-pronged stand on one of the models is pretty ugly IMO:

ces20100110.jpg


Glossy black looks great when the lights are off, it's as if the TV isn't even there...well, on TVs with good black levels at least.

I might jump on a 2009 Samsung LED...not impressed with the 2010 designs PERSONALLY, and don't care for 3D until there is tons of content.

the brushed metal doesnt look that good in pictures but maybe it will look better in real life.....glossy black looks good on my 55B6000
 
Just skimming through some of the news. So good. What an exciting time to live in! Now if only CE companies could agree standards/work together better.
 
Samsung 9000 (top of the line, flagship model), with touch screen remote:

500x_led9000__55__l30_01.jpg


500x_led9000__55__r90_02.jpg


500x_led9000_remote_01.jpg


Samsung Press Release for TVs. Sorry, no price or TV size details....

LAS VEGAS, January 6, 2010 – Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., a market leader and award-winning innovator in consumer electronics, unveiled today the next generation of its award-winning LED back-lit TVs, featuring a first of its kind built-in 3D processor, connected interactive experiences and innovative, trend-setting designs with a wide range of options to match the décor of almost any living room. . This year’s flagship Series, the 9000, has proudly won the 2010 CES Best of Innovations award. Perhaps most notably, Samsung offers its most versatile LED TV lineup, which consists of entry level HD offerings to its highest performing full HD TV’s ever, in a variety of screen sizes. Samsung’s latest HDTVs will be on display at Booth #11026 during the International Consumer Electronics Show, which will be held at the Las Vegas Convention Center, January 7 -10, 2010.

“Our leadership in the LED TV category is no accident; we identified a consumer need for superior picture quality, ultra slimness and more eco-friendly energy consumption,” said Yangkyu Kim, Senior Vice President of Visual Display Division for Samsung Electronics. “We have put all our energy and passion into this year’s LED TV lineup with the single objective to deliver stunning experiences that bring life-like depth to TV. With this award-winning lineup, Samsung is once again setting the industry standard not only for quality TV experiences but for technology and innovation leadership.”

With eight product series, and screen sizes ranging from 19” to 65”, this is the industry’s largest lineup of LED TVs to date. From the award-winning 9000 Series, to the Innovations Honoree 7000 and 6500 Series, consumers have virtually unlimited choice of models to fit their individual entertainment preferences and lifestyle. The flagship 9000 series specifically is flat-out Samsung’s most impressive HDTV to date - the quintessential slim LED TV with a premium touch-screen remote control and built-in 3D technology, setting a new standard for jaw-dropping home theater picture quality and connectivity. The world’s slimmest fully integrated LED TV, the 9000 Series was designed to end all depth competitions, and raise the bar yet again with an innovative stand that includes the built-in tuner.

Built-in 3D

New in 2010, this year’s premium models in the LED TV lineup, the 7000, 8000 and 9000, all include Samsung’s proprietary built-in 3D processor and emitter that is optimized for, and enables compatibility with multiple 3D standards including half and full HD resolution formats as well as the Blu-ray Disc Association approved “Blu-ray 3D” standard. In addition, Samsung’s 3D system delivers a picture using a full color spectrum for an unbelievable, immersive viewing experience.

Along with the company’s 3D Blu-ray player (BD-C6900), Samsung offers a complete solution allowing consumers to bring the 3D theater experience home. For those who want to add the third dimension to their regular TV viewing, Samsung included in its 3D processor an auto-conversion technology that renders 2D content into 3D in real time. Consumers can add a level of depth and clarity to a live football game, making them believe they are part of the action.

Connected TV and Samsung Apps

With built-in Ethernet connection and wireless-ready capabilities, the 2010 LED TV lineup is ready to meet the growing consumer demand for “content without borders.” The upgraded Internet@TV feature now includes Samsung Apps, providing consumers with an expanded, easy to navigate selection of content and applications from leading services like Accedo Broadband, AccuWeather.com, The Associated Press, Blockbuster, Fashion TV, Netflix, Picasa, Pandora, Rovi, Travel Channel, Twitter, USA TODAY, and Vudu. Applications can be downloaded and viewed all while watching TV. All of the premium LED TVs, 6500 Series and above, will include the upgraded Internet@TV with Samsung Apps.

Unsurpassed Picture Quality

Samsung’s premium LED TV’s will boast unsurpassed picture quality by using a Samsung-developed technology that merges the advantages of LED edge-lighting with the control of local dimming technology in directly back-lit LED televisions. This technology along with Samsung’s high-efficiency LED light source and proprietary picture enhancement engine with video processor ensure unsurpassed picture quality with vibrant colors, deep blacks and better contrast ratios.

Focus on Design

In 2010, Samsung builds on its tradition of innovative design by introducing narrower bezels and brushed metal frames in silver and black– pushing the limits beyond the familiar black bezels of many HDTV’s. In particular, Samsung developed a groundbreaking four-legged quad stand that makes the TV look more like furniture than device and a new “mystic earth” Touch of Color™ (ToC™) design scheme with chrome edging to better match a living room’s décor. With a wide-ranging pallet of materials and designs, Samsung offers something for virtually anyone’s tastes and interior design preferences. What’s more, the new LED TVs match Samsung’s 2010 line of Blu-ray players and home theater systems bringing a cohesive element to a home entertainment room.

Green Design

All these functionalities are delivered without compromising on the energy efficiency that Samsung LED TVs are known for and meet even higher standards of sustainability. They all exceed the more stringent EnergyStar® 4.0 guidelines. Samsung LED TVs are the highest performing and eco-conscious HDTV products Samsung has ever released, continuing to set new standards every year.

Redefining the Remote

In another industry first, Samsung developed an easy to use on-board TV display full touch-screen remote control. The remote’s color touch-screen makes understanding features and options easy and simple. Its integrated Wi-Fi and infrared technology controls TV and AV devices with the on-screen buttons and QWERTY keyboard. It allows users to watch broadcast content directly on the remote so you can watch the first part of the big game, while a Blu-ray movie is just wrapping up on the large screen HDTV(9000 Series only). You can also browse music, photos, and video files from a DLNA certified PC then swipe the chosen content in the direction of the TV to enjoy on the larger screen (9000 Series only). The remote is the primary remote control for the 9000 Series and a derivative version of it is sold separately as an option for other LED TV models including the 7000 and 8000 Series.
 
Revelations said:
I hope they introduce a 60+in LED 9000 series model. Size is the only reason that kept me from getting the 55' 8500
Heh, it is funny you mention the 8500. I was in the market too, but it was just discontinued today because of the Samsung-Sharp lawsuit. It's already off the Samsung website.

I might try to snag a 55'' B8000 on the cheap. Local Dimming is not too big of a concern to me, even though the best LEDs will have it this year and onwards....
 
jey_16 said:
the brushed metal doesnt look that good in pictures but maybe it will look better in real life.....glossy black looks good on my 55B6000

It was the same with the Panasonic Z1. Looked tacky in the press shots, but very elegant in person.
 
NYR said:
Heh, it is funny you mention the 8500. I was in the market too, but it was just discontinued today because of the Samsung-Sharp lawsuit. It's already off the Samsung website.

I might try to snag a 55'' B8000 on the cheap. Local Dimming is not too big of a concern to me, even though the best LEDs will have it this year and onwards....

Noooo NYR. Just wait for the 9000. Save up a few more bucks for it. If you find the sizes for the 9000 post em here.
 
Revelations said:
I hope they introduce a 60+in LED 9000 series model. Size is the only reason that kept me from getting the 55' 8500
They might, but the uniformity would be very hard to control with edge lighting. A local dimming LED TV would probably be as expensive as a space shuttle to make at those sizes so that is probably rightfully not done.

I see that Samsung's flagship uses an edge lighting model instead of a local dimming one. It doesn't seem like a good idea for a flagship model. Though, they are probably far more focused on other things and not on picture quality. I'd love to see what Panasonic, Sony and Philips (or have I missed Philips?) have in store for us.
I zoned out at around the 30 minutes mark on the Samsung press conference and I'd probably fall asleep in a few minutes so I wont be able to see Sony's and Panasonic's conferences. I hope they wont use a proprietary connectivity format between their products. It's getting incredibly annoying to have a standard nobody uses.
 
flsh said:
They might, but the uniformity would be very hard to control with edge lighting. A local dimming LED TV would probably be as expensive as a space shuttle to make at those sizes so that is probably rightfully not done.

I see that Samsung's flagship uses an edge lighting model instead of a local dimming one. It doesn't seem like a good idea for a flagship model. Though, they are probably far more focused on other things and not on picture quality. I'd love to see what Panasonic, Sony and Philips (or have I missed Philips?) have in store for us.
I zoned out at around the 30 minutes mark on the Samsung press conference and I'd probably fall asleep in a few minutes so I wont be able to see Sony's and Panasonic's conferences. I hope they wont use a proprietary connectivity format between their products. It's getting incredibly annoying to have a standard nobody uses.

Samsung will have a local dimming model. They always unveil that later in the year.
 
NYR said:
Samsung 9000 (top of the line, flagship model), with touch screen remote:
Samsung Press Release for TVs. Sorry, no price or TV size details....

I bet it has bad view angles compared to other TVs, and as hot as touch screen remotes like that always sound and look, nothing will beat something that has tactile feedback. Who wants to look down at the remote everytime they want to use it? That expensive piece of equipment would get tossed out immediately for a Harmony remote.
 
Revelations said:
Noooo NYR. Just wait for the 9000. Save up a few more bucks for it. If you find the sizes for the 9000 post em here.

if the 9000 is indeed using edge lighting then he is better off trying to find an 8500 before they are all gone
 
NYR said:
Samsung 9000 (top of the line, flagship model), with touch screen remote:

500x_led9000__55__l30_01.jpg


500x_led9000__55__r90_02.jpg


500x_led9000_remote_01.jpg


Samsung Press Release for TVs. Sorry, no price or TV size details....


Not thin enough. I can still see the profile.
 
Skype on PanTVs.

Hmph...
 
Revelations said:
Any info on their New Plasma Lineup NYR?
Doing them now.
 
I just want a TV that can or does surpass the KRP-500/600 Kuro range for IQ and black levels. And by that I don't mean temporary backlight dimming to achieve them, but a constant throughput!
 
NYR said:
Samsung 9000 (top of the line, flagship model), with touch screen remote:

500x_led9000__55__l30_01.jpg


500x_led9000__55__r90_02.jpg


500x_led9000_remote_01.jpg


Samsung Press Release for TVs. Sorry, no price or TV size details....

Damn that is crazy thin. Next up,
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?
 
The Panasonic guy is saying that you need HDMI 1.4 to do 3D. IIRC PS3 can't do 1.4, but it's going to be able to do 3D somehow?
 
Jtrizzy said:
The Panasonic guy is saying that you need HDMI 1.4 to do 3D. IIRC PS3 can't do 1.4, but it's going to be able to do 3D somehow?

Supposedly. We'll know very soon though

Native 5 million to 1 contrast ratio for their infinite blacks sounds good.
 
I expected more information out of Panasonic. Contrast Ratio numbers from manufacturers means nothing to me. V series is the only one that does 3D isn't a positive for me. Ah well.

Is there a BlogItLive link for Sony's conference? I'll be on transit during it and would like to follow it on my phone. Don't see any CES stuff on 1up who usually uses it =/
 
jamesinclair said:
So I was scrolling down the engadget page and was thinking.....show this to someone 20 years ago and they wouldnt understand a single word :lol Its all acronyms and such. Hell show this to my grandmother and she wouldnt understand a single word.


LG reveals Full HD 3D projector, Skype-enabled HDTVs and more at CES
LG to ship HDTVs with WHDI wireless technology baked in
LG's 6.9mm thin LED-backlit LCD hands-on at CES
AT&T finally goes Android, confirms Dell, HTC and Motorola on board


Whos LG? Whats HD? Whats Skype? Whats HDTV? Whats CES? Whats WHDI? etc etc

Uhh, LG has been around since the 40s
 
koam said:
Uhh, LG has been around since the 40s

Please, you know they havent been big in the americas until the last decade.


It seems like 90% of this show is related to 3D.

What happens when 3D fails? I dont give a shit about 3D, am I alone?
 
Panasonic "infinite black" '10 range look excellent.
G-series being the non-3d version & V-series being the expensive 3d-sets.

All have Viera cast with integrated HD webcam, microphone with official Skype client.

All I need to see are the bezel and design and its going to be mine!
 
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