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[shira]

100+ days left of crooked Dota chests

 

[Baleoce]

About time.

 

[Abilidebob]

Because the random goods inside the game boxes are not even physical. You basically pay for thin air when you get duplicates.

Well, I can trade, sell or even "recycle" those duplicates, so they still have value for me.

 

[metalmachine]

I don't get why they puts such efforts into legislation on loot box probabilities when there are so many other issues China has that really deserve more attention.

 

[kiunchbb]

By this rate, after 8 years China will be more consumer friendly than US.

 

[Aselith]

better than the incoming us government

No, they are not

 

[Niks]

Love overwatch, but the loot system is gross.
Glad the Chinese are on it.

 

[M3d10n]

I wonder how this will affect the many games that change the odds based on player behavior or even use totally different systems than a simple random draw.

 

[M3d10n]

I wonder how this will affect the many games that change the odds based on player behavior or even use totally different systems than a simple random draw.

Even the most "honest" games at the very least perform A/B testing on their rates.

 

[KingV]

You say this as if the lotto isn't hugely successful despite people knowing the odds.

But st least you can figure out how much you would have to spend to get xxx item.

 

[zombieshavebrains]

Revealing the chinese probability doesn't mean it will be the US probability right?

 

[cyress8]

Revealing the chinese probability doesn't mean it will be the US probability right?

Probably not, people are going to let them know they want the same though. Most likely will happen soon after.

 

[DataGhost]

What's stopping them from changing the rates for just the Chinese version to be different from rest of the world?

 

[BY2K]

What's stopping them from changing the rates for just the Chinese version to be different from rest of the world?

If there's a difference, we should be able to compare them using the charts for the China version.

I think.

 

[DataGhost]

If there's a difference, we should be able to compare them using the charts for the China version.

I think.

Compare what though? We would need to open tons and tons of in game crates just to have anything remotely close to the probabilities. It's like flipping a coin, flip it a few times and you get a skewed result. Flip it over a longer period of time and it evens out.

 

[Skii]

Whats the OW loot box rates then? Thats all I want to know.

 

[Ambient80]

Compare what though? We would need to open tons and tons of in game crates just to have anything remotely close to the probabilities. It's like flipping a coin, flip it a few times and you get a skewed result. Flip it over a longer period of time and it evens out.

While true, I expect a flood of videos of people opening 10 loot boxes in these games, someone not getting what they wanted, and saying it's a huge scam and Blizzard/Valve/Activision/whoever should be put out of business, etc etc. Too many people don't understand/don't care to learn how statistics work.

 

[shira]

1 in 10,000 for dota ultra rares is just disgusting.

Especially when there are whales willing to pay the price.

 

[H3xum]

Where can I find these rates?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Never tell me the odds

 

[BigEmil]

ok this is nice.. may be we will find out the true probabilities of the Hearthstone packs and the Overwatch lootboxes

They will probably change the probabilities just before the stats show up and different probabilities for different regions

 

[Bloodmanx]

How do we know if the rates are the same in China as the rest of the world?

 

[Fj0823]

This is great

 

[Psychoward]

They will probably change the probabilities just before the stats show up and different probabilities for different regions

That would be pretty fucking scummy.

 

[Diddy Kong]

very nice !

 

[BlackBuzzard]

When China is the first to do something about this bullshit, then you know the rest of the world fucked up by sitting on its hands.

 

[Robottiimu2000]

Whoa! This is huge!

 

[Big Nikus]

The loot system is disgusting, it preys on the weak.

Spoiler

Like me.

 

[Pooya]

gimme those hearthstone/overwatch droprates so that I can feel better about my bad luck.

 

[Randy Monk]

Definitely a great idea, but I'm curious of how much good it will do overall.

Casinos and Lotteries usually have well known odds, but that doesn't stop a lot of people from spending their money, even if the odds are 1:1000000.

It won't change anything I reckon

There are signs like this all over my state but people still spend a shit load of time and money on the pokies (slot machines)

 

[Anoregon]

It won't change anything I reckon

There are signs like this all over my state but people still spend a shit load of time and money on the pokies (slot machines)

The human mind turns that poster into this:

 

[Toni]

When China is the first to do something about this bullshit, then you know the rest of the world fucked up by sitting on its hands.

Its easy money and nobody wants to mess up the easy money stream.

Its truly unbelievable how things are today.

 

[Wedzi]

The PEOPLES Republic

 

[Wedzi]

It won't change anything I reckon

There are signs like this all over my state but people still spend a shit load of time and money on the pokies (slot machines)

 

[Raylan Targaryen]

How do we know if the rates are the same in China as the rest of the world?

We don't, and the publishers will take advantage of that.

 

[Fuz]

Good. Very, very good.

Hope the rest of the world will follow.

 

[miller.skippins]

Never tell me the odds

Han Solo am cry (T_T) RIP.

 

[Pakoe]

So... What are the results?

 

[Xenoblade]

What about for items where even the Devs don't know the drop rates? For an example, see Anarchy Online.

 

[Leezard]

What about for items where even the Devs don't know the drop rates? For an example, see Anarchy Online.

How is it possible for them to not know the drop rate? Is someone else creating the actual crates?

I'm not familiar with Anarchy Online so I don't know how their system works.

 

[eizarus]

This thread is so fucked. China do something good. Some GAFers praise them for that one good act and some other GAFers are acting as if praising means wanting to be assimilated by China. Smh.

Anyway on topic: what are the chances for similar rulings to be implemented in Western markets?

 

[Yoshi]

Lootboxes should just internationally be regarded as gambling, including proper age checks, taxing and information regarding help for addicts.

 

[Modoru]

Lootboxes should just internationally be regarded as gambling, including proper age checks, taxing and information regarding help for addicts.

Extend this to mobages 😭

 

[Hyun Sai]

Lootboxes should just internationally be regarded as gambling, including proper age checks, taxing and information regarding help for addicts.

No doubt.

 

[Tonyp2121]

Still no word from blizzard on loot box statistics, interesting. When do they have to publish them? I assumed it wouldve been yesterday.

 

[LuuKyK]

This is great news, thank you Chile.

 

[XAL]

100+ days left of crooked Dota chests

Valve just changes the odds for China so they look less abusive than they really are. They don't have to show shit for the odds that the rest of the world gets.

Juked.

I saw the odds they posted for the dota chests - hilariously fabricated and way more generous than the norm.