But is a PC, unless you are saying you can just do all the stuff in a PC without a Keyboard and Mouse, not just the gaming part.
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But is a PC, unless you are saying you can just do all the stuff in a PC without a Keyboard and Mouse, not just the gaming part.
Peter Ian Staker
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Yeah modern CPU's go a long way these days. So many people still on 4-5 year i5/i7s around.
DarkoMaledictus
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Necromanti
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What kind of stuff? (I mean, I'm sitting in front of a PC now to post on GAF.) I usually use the Steam controller to navigate the desktop and stuff while on my couch, though.
General Things on PC, from typing (like using your password to Longing in to the your Desktop), to opening up settings, to closing applications or open applications, or if you want to change settings when the you boot the PC, do Software installation... Sure some of this stuff can be done with a controller I suppose, but at the end, you cant just have a PC with no Keyboard and Mouse, not to say this is the only thing that takes me away from PC gaming, if it was, I would be doing PC gaming.
Night Angel
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If all you want to do is play games, you can use a PS4 controller as a mouse to open steam/your games and then play. I do not even pick up my mouse for most of my gaming sessions.
Keyboards are obviously needed if you want to use the Internet, but why would you rather use a controller for that anyway?
I guess I just don't see the point you're trying to make.
If you're in your own house, why would you set up a password on your desktop, especially if its primary use is gaming? Disable it so it boots straight to the desktop. Yes, when setting up your PC you'll obviously need to use a M+KB, but I'm not sure why that would detract from the overall PC gaming experience.
Rellik
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I hate gaming at a desk with mouse and keyboard. That's why you connect your PC to your TV and use a controller.
Edit: Ooops, saw you posted again after this post. That's fine.
I've said this before, but I don't think the handful of XB1 exclusives now being available on PC really change the picture all that much.
Ultimately, a PC is far more flexible in terms of input and output options, offers a vastly larger game library, gives you as the user more control and the ability to customize your experience, and does not require you to pay a monthly fee to play online. In return, it requires a somewhat larger initial monetary commitment, and a few minutes of maintenance a month.
Ultimately, a PC is far more flexible in terms of input and output options, offers a vastly larger game library, gives you as the user more control and the ability to customize your experience, and does not require you to pay a monthly fee to play online. In return, it requires a somewhat larger initial monetary commitment, and a few minutes of maintenance a month.
Which mean you do have to use them at some point, and thats my point, once I get home, I dont touch or see a mouse or Keyboard, and it feels great not to.
Is a PC, you need a Mouse and Keyboard, we are not talking about steam machines, at some point you will have to use Mouse and Keyboard to navigate on the desktop, or to type in with your Keyboard from stuff like your password, playing around with Settings when you boot the PC.
Night Angel
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See my edit. After initial set up (as in the first time you plug it in), if you don't want to you never have to touch a mouse or keyboard.
(Why you'd restrict yourself from doing so is beyond me though.)
Iorv3th
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Not with a steam controller, it is a mouse/keyboard in a controller. But if you are just using it for gaming the only time you would have to use any of that stuff anyway is for driver updates and that is pretty much it.
If you are talking about logging into websites and posting on neogaf from it, yea a mouse and keyboard is better. But if your going to be doing that stuff on an xbox one or ps4 it's going to be pretty much the same experience as doing it with a steam controller.
With a steam controller, yeah, you can.
Crazemazing
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Why would you state it like it's a definitive? I'll never own a PC. I buy consoles for a reason, so for me the definitive answer is Scorpio.
LordRaptor
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I've seen people use their phone as a KBM in their Pc based home theatre setups before
It doesnt, I say this in the my Quote:
Keyboard and Mouse is just one thing I dont want to see when i get home, is silly, and if was just that, I would be doing PC gaming, is a bunch of things, From Keeping your PC virus/malware clean, to putting yourself the computer together, to decided what are the hardware you going to use for your rig, to to have password log in to your PC (even if its a home PC, I keep password for my log in), to the OS you have on your PC, to the Space a PC take compared to a Console (I game in a small corner of my room), these comes from top of my mind.
For me these added elements worth the Graphical trade off of consoles, where I just buy console, set up my live/psn account, and dont have to do anything else until I get a new console.
Not to mention, I know myself, Consoles have always been for me sort of a money saver given I would had tried to have the best rig in term of specs.
I'd definitely recommend the PC, too many advantages, but if convenience, low entry price or 360 backwards compatibility is compelling to you, Scorpio might still end up the right choice, depending on how it's priced. The Xbox app on PC needs quite a lot of improvements before it's anywhere near a decent television experience.
This.
MilkyJoe
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You still have a big old noisy box sitting next to the TV.
So, I would had to buy steam controller and when I game use my regular controller? or Do I have to game with that thing too? Hint, I will not play a game like Halo 6 in that thing.
Well if you were to game with a steam controller then you would never have to touch anything else. If you were to use another controller on the side you'd have to swap back and forth.
But steam controller is out of the box one button use from the OS without any tinkering. If you wanted to set it up, you could have any other controller work from the OS from start up to game.
Yeah, honestly I only get new stuff every 6 years and with the way CPUs have been going that doesn't even need to be replaced.
blackdevil
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i guess these people dont have the money to buy a pc in the first place.
getting a Ps4 and building a PC a year ago was the best thing i could have done.
LordRaptor
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See, if you just say "I prefer thing" that's fine and people will stop letting you know where you're going wrong.
If you just keep layering excuses (not reasons) people are going to correct you, either out of trying to help you in good faith, or stopping you spreading disinformation.
Yes, "that thing" is a pretty good controller.
MilkyJoe
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No driver updates or tweaking? Virus def files? Defrags? Disk clean ups etc...?
Apparently convenience is not a valid reason.
It's, in fact, a far better controller for FPS games than anything which has you controlling the camera with a thumbstick
It's no longer the 90s.
Necromanti
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There doesn't have to be an entirely logical reason why someone would prefer a console outside of monetary reasons (though the games are a lot more expensive), and I mean, there a people who will adamantly choose a Vita version of a game, no matter how inferior it may be, but sometimes, the justifications can be a bit strange (or rather, unfounded).
My computer couldn't have been any more plug and play, honestly. Plus, I didn't even build it myself.
I usually just use it to launch games, and then I go over to my wireless 360 controller. Depends on the game, though. (I love the gyro aiming for games like Tomb Raider.)
It's, in fact, a far better controller for FPS games than anything which has you controlling the camera with a thumbstick
In mp you'll still get donged on by people using mouse and keyboard though. If you're playing pc games on a couch and you're gonna play fps games online, you're going to want to have a nice setup for using a mouse and keyboard.
I giving reasons about why I dont because they are my personal preferences, and you guys are creating why Im supposed to be wrong using your own personal preferences, it goes both ways, you guys prefer that controller, whereas I prefer Xbox controller.
But coming back to the fact at the end you at least need a Keyboard to have a PC, even if you prefer to use something else to type. and if you have a mouse you also will have a space specifically for that mouse to be able to navigate around, space that I dont have, everything in my gaming is set up on a small table that has the Xbox one and PS4 plus my monitor.
MilkyJoe
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It's, in fact, a far better controller for FPS games than anything which has you controlling the camera with a thumbstick
It's no longer the 90s.
You'll free up a lot of space deleting your update temp files.
It's not because it no longer reflects reality.
I mean choose consoles if you will, but don't be surprised when people scratch their heads when you justify that choice with questionable at best reasons.
Well, sure. A modern mouse is an incomparably accurate and fast positional input device. My point was just that a Steam controller gets quite a bit closer to it than indirect thumbstick-based camera control can.
Night Angel
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You've gotta be shitting me.
Small form factor PCs and silent/quiet cooling systems exist.
And yes, PCs aren't for everyone. They're certainly not as simple as consoles, so people need to decide for themselves whether the (minor) complications are worth the (major) benefits of PC gaming. For me, it's a no- brainer, but I can see why some would rather not deal with the PC experience as a whole. What I don't appreciate is all the hyperbole and straight up bullshit around how difficult, janky, or otherwise undesirable the experience is.
wonderful103
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Caja 117 said:
And?
MilkyJoe said:
The PS4 seems to be far noisier than any PC I've recently built. And one of mine even looks like it's built for an AV rack, too:
If you like Multiplayer shooters and like to game on a controller then Scorpio should be a priority. If not PC all the way
Games like COD on PC the online activity is dead or you would get destroyed by a keyboard and mouse player.
FIFA and other sports games are more active on consoles
However if you like single player games and Multiplayer shooters with a mouse and keyboard then it's PC
Games like COD on PC the online activity is dead or you would get destroyed by a keyboard and mouse player.
FIFA and other sports games are more active on consoles
However if you like single player games and Multiplayer shooters with a mouse and keyboard then it's PC
Necromanti
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I've never had a PC that sounded like a jet engine, at least.
I'm guessing he doesn't like the sight of keyboards and uses tablets/phones to browse the internet rather than a desktop/laptop while at home.
Basically, I use my phone for Internet activities at night, as of now I dont own a tablet, or a Laptop or a PC for my home, and It feels great, heck, Im at work now, and Im going nuts with all this typing in a keyboard.
MilkyJoe
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Pick up controller press button to turn on, navigate using said controller, play game, turn off using controller.
That is your convenience.
You're right, it's not difficult, but you still have to deal with it, with the console you don't have to deal with any of it. And there is more of said convenience.
I used to be a PC gamer until I changed careers and I have almost no time to play at all, a few hours a month at the moment. A pc in any form factor is not something I am interested in.
It depends on the person?
Benefits of the an Xbox Scorpio:
- You know games are going to be optimized for the hardware, whereas PC might be a crap shoot due to the diversity of the PC platform at a hardware and driver level.
- The ability to play on a large screen in front of a couch, although I personally have my PC hooked up to a television via an HDMI switch to toggle between traditional PC/living room experiences. It depends on your setup. Your audio system comes into play as well, but I also have my PC connected to my receiver/home theater system - but I'm likely in the minority.
Honestly speaking, there aren't really any benefits to purchasing an Xbox over a high end PC assuming - and if you feel like that's the case then you're an aspect of the market that Microsoft is willing to sacrifice at a hardware level.
Benefits of the an Xbox Scorpio:
- You know games are going to be optimized for the hardware, whereas PC might be a crap shoot due to the diversity of the PC platform at a hardware and driver level.
- The ability to play on a large screen in front of a couch, although I personally have my PC hooked up to a television via an HDMI switch to toggle between traditional PC/living room experiences. It depends on your setup. Your audio system comes into play as well, but I also have my PC connected to my receiver/home theater system - but I'm likely in the minority.
Honestly speaking, there aren't really any benefits to purchasing an Xbox over a high end PC assuming - and if you feel like that's the case then you're an aspect of the market that Microsoft is willing to sacrifice at a hardware level.
Steam big picture is years old at this point.
You can do all that easily with a system set up to launch into big picture mode.
wonderful103
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http://www.pcgamer.com/halo-6-will-release-on-windows-10/
That's still a pretty damn poor excuse for dismissing the fact that consoles and PCs are basically identical when you plug them into your AV rack/TV.
If, for some silly reason, you want to set up a gaming PC with a password (lol?) you will require an input device that supports keystrokes. And if, for some silly reason, you don't want to use an alternate navigation device to launch things (some of which can be auto-launched into big picture mode when Windows starts, btw) then YES you will require a keyboard and mouse.
And yes, when you first build the PC, you will require a keyboard and mouse to set it up.
And?
I sit in front of computers 12 hours a day, too.
And when my projector comes on, whether it's a console or a PC or a potato with an HDMI output, it's all the same.
LordRaptor
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I mean, like I say, I know people who have non-gaming PCs setup as their home theatre hub, and they have done so in such a way that they use their phone as a generic HID KBM device, so its entirely possible to have an extremely quiet box next to the TV with no KBM anywhere in sight.
I'll believe it when it happens. And if it does, I expect timed console exclusivity.
vasametropolis
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The only reasons to go with Scorpio, assuming all plays out nicely:
1) You can't be bothered to learn how to build a PC, or get a friend to do it. It's not very difficult, but you should almost certainly never buy a pre-built if you can avoid it. While a valid reason against, if you are even the most minor tech head, I personally consider this argument to be pure laziness. It's really not hard. If you're a total loss, you probably know someone that could help you.
2) You can't be bothered to tinker with games, for the ones that end up a little gimped. This is a valid reason. If you are a bit of a tinkerer, you won't mind much.
3) You play a lot of multiplayer shooters that will favour precision and you don't want to use a mouse and keyboard. This is valid. I'm a controller guy too, but I don't have interest in many of these games any more. I'm playing the shit out of Overwatch on a controller and do great as only a couple of characters require real precision. For these Xbox Play Anywhere games, in part of the interview with Phil Spencer on GiantBomb he mentioned that matchmaking based on control input was something they had looked at. This could solve that problem (for MS first party).
I have my computer hooked up to my TV in my room. I use a wireless keyboard with a touchpad and control the computer from my bed. I have a bluetooth controller for games.
1) You can't be bothered to learn how to build a PC, or get a friend to do it. It's not very difficult, but you should almost certainly never buy a pre-built if you can avoid it. While a valid reason against, if you are even the most minor tech head, I personally consider this argument to be pure laziness. It's really not hard. If you're a total loss, you probably know someone that could help you.
2) You can't be bothered to tinker with games, for the ones that end up a little gimped. This is a valid reason. If you are a bit of a tinkerer, you won't mind much.
3) You play a lot of multiplayer shooters that will favour precision and you don't want to use a mouse and keyboard. This is valid. I'm a controller guy too, but I don't have interest in many of these games any more. I'm playing the shit out of Overwatch on a controller and do great as only a couple of characters require real precision. For these Xbox Play Anywhere games, in part of the interview with Phil Spencer on GiantBomb he mentioned that matchmaking based on control input was something they had looked at. This could solve that problem (for MS first party).
I have my computer hooked up to my TV in my room. I use a wireless keyboard with a touchpad and control the computer from my bed. I have a bluetooth controller for games.
It's an interesting question actually, just because the big ones are going to be cross-platform. What will be key for me is seeing exactly what will -only- be on Scorpio. If there's nothing, then for someone like me who has a good gaming PC (which sits right next to my consoles), there's not much reason to get it. We'll see though... there could be features that sway me, but we're still a long way off from next holiday season.
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