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Cloud announced for Smash Bros
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Duck Hunt itself was referenced (or inspired) in many games.
1. Super Smash Bros Melee
2. Super Smash Bros Brawl
3. Super Smash Bros. for 3DS
4. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
5. Duck Hunt
6. Wii Play
7. Wii Play Motion
8. Barker Bill's Trick Shooting
9. Wario Ware Inc: Mega Microgames
10. Wario Ware Inc: Mega Party Game
11. Wario Ware Inc: D:I:Y
12. Tetris DS
13. Mario Maker
14. Yoshi Yarn (as Colors)
R.O.B made their appearances in those games
1. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
2. Super Smash Bros for 3DS
3. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
4. Mario Kart DS
5. Star Fox 64
6. WarioWare Inc
7. Wario Ware Inc Twisted
8. Wario Ware Smooth Moves
9. WarioWare Touched
10. Tomodachi Life
11. Pikmin 2
12. F-Zero GX
13. Kirby Dream Land 3
14. Mario Maker
15. Yarn Yoshi (Colors)
Olimar
1. Super Smash Bros Melee
2. Super Smash Bros Brawl
3. Super Smash Bros. for 3DS
4. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
5. Pikmin
6. Pikmin 2
7. WarioWare Smooth Moves
8. Mario Kart 8 (Costume)
9. Mario Maker
10. Yarn Yoshi (Colors)
11.
Pikmin 3
Also Pikmin and Ship were referenced in other games as well.
Junahu
Member
It was totally new at the time to have a legitimate antagonist Pokemon. And unlike future movies, Mewtwo drives the conflict of the film because he wants it, not because of some misunderstanding. It makes him feel more credible as a villain.
Plus his voice is imposing and Mewtwo was literally the best Pokemon in the original games.
Mr. Smiley
Member
Just curious. Isn't Mewtwo kinda a different character in the JP version of the anime movie?
I thought that gamexplain's cloud trailer analisis was pretty bad. I say that because, not only did they talk way to much, they also assigned multiple moves to the wrong input (that's an assumption, sure, but it seemed pretty obvious to me 
).
GimR's analisis on the other hand... it's short (6 minutes if you skip the first 50 seconds, which aren't about the analisis), concise and extremely informative!! Ignoring the long intro, that analisis respects your time way more than other analisis that people have posted (while containing way more info).
Anyway, the video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-PtKZCjkQo
(a cloud analisis may be old news, but the video is good)
).GimR's analisis on the other hand... it's short (6 minutes if you skip the first 50 seconds, which aren't about the analisis), concise and extremely informative!! Ignoring the long intro, that analisis respects your time way more than other analisis that people have posted (while containing way more info).
Anyway, the video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-PtKZCjkQo
(a cloud analisis may be old news, but the video is good)
MrSaturn99
Member
Well, duh, he erased everyone's minds at the end!
I thought that gamexplain's cloud trailer analisis was pretty bad. I say that because, not only did they talk way to much, they also assigned multiple moves to the wrong input (that's an assumption, sure, but it seemed pretty obvious to me
GimR's analisis on the other hand... it's short (6 minutes if you skip the first 50 seconds, which aren't about the analisis), concise and extremely informative!! Ignoring the long intro, that analisis respects your time way more than other analisis that people have posted (while containing way more info).
Anyway, the video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-PtKZCjkQo
(a cloud analisis may be old news, but the video is good)
Yeah this analysis is much better, although Gamexplain's is probably better for people not into competitive smash since they won't care about frame data.
So I've been thinking a bit more about what Cloud means for Smash, and I starting thinking about what the music for Midgar might be. We got the normal battle theme, the boss theme, the opening theme, and the victory theme, none of them remixed as far as I know. For Ryu we got Ryu's theme, Ken's theme, and remixes of both so I'm not expecting too much, but I really hope we get some cool remixes of some FFVII music.
Also, let's get the AC version of One Winged Angel. Come on, the costume got in so it shouldn't be too tough to get the song as well.
Also, let's get the AC version of One Winged Angel. Come on, the costume got in so it shouldn't be too tough to get the song as well.
Seven Force
Banned
Haha, old GAF threads are always so cheery compared to today.
they should, so that they can have an idea of which moves are better to spam against friends
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Guys, Mewtwo in smash is clearly based off the anime movie, in which he is a clear bad guy until the end. In the japanese version he even has spoken dialogue.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Quote from Namura and Kojima interview with IGN E3 2006
balladofwindfishes
Member
Apparently the evil laugh, dark energy, and literally being in an event that featured only villains isn't enough to consider Mewtwo a villain in Smash lol
Mewtwo is 100% considered a villain in Smash Bros.
MrSaturn99
Member
Weltall Zero
Member
Ah, fair enough, you used generated as verb, not adjective. Your original post read to me like "(I despise) this (artificially) generated hype" instead of "this (has undeservedly) generated hype", my bad. I'm guessing others might have read it that way too and that is why they replied harshy too. Again, sorry for the confusion.
His Limit Break upsmash seems to trigger a Little Mac style OHKO. I thought at first it'd be a reference to an eject attack (some kind of whirlwind that removes players/enemies from the battle), but later found there are no such wind moves in FFVII (though I'm fairly certain there are in other games).
Now I'm wondering if that effect is in game or just trailer editing. Hmm.
Also, I think GameExplains analysis is more accurate than Gimr's. They make some very good observations relating to Braver, which I think are going to be relevant.
Also why has no one assumed that Cross Slash will be a multi input attack like Marth's side-B? It looks like something you'll be able to trigger the extra hits for yourself (side-B-B-B-B).
Now I'm wondering if that effect is in game or just trailer editing. Hmm.
Also, I think GameExplains analysis is more accurate than Gimr's. They make some very good observations relating to Braver, which I think are going to be relevant.
Also why has no one assumed that Cross Slash will be a multi input attack like Marth's side-B? It looks like something you'll be able to trigger the extra hits for yourself (side-B-B-B-B).
Jesus, I've been reading GAF for nearly 10 years now. I remember this. :lol
MillionVolts
Member
Very much so. 4kids thought either the stakes in the movie weren't high enough or American kids wouldn't be able to "handle" an ambiguous and sympathetic antagonist, so they made Mewtwo a lot more villainous and hammy.
You can read all about the differences between the versions here if you're interested.
That is a fandom myth.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That's quite awesome.
I agree with you, but with the bolded, Greninja could be considered a villain as well.
Neff
Member
They had a hand in the Western translation of the game, and they published it outside of Japan. So yes, it does have slight Sony parentage. Whether or not it's still relevant, or precludes a release of the original game on Nintendo or MS platforms, I have no idea.
Smash events references LOTS of non smash bros stuff.
mewtwo is still just a pokemon species =P
Don't forget that there was some sort of "legal issue" about getting Snake into PSASBR. It was never elaborated on, but it sounded to me like there may have been some non-compete section in the deal to put Snake in Brawl, keeping him out of similar crossover games. Not only is Cloud "rubbing it in Sony's face," but if they're really working on a Power Stone-inspired PSASBR 2, this would mean that they couldn't get Cloud, even if Square wanted them to.
I don't know if that's hilarious, or a dick move on Nintendo's part.
ActStriker
Member
Finishing Touch
I would say it's Nintendo killing PSASBR2 before it's even out, but Sony has done a spectacular job of that already.
Astral Dog
Member
Mewtwo is bad until the end? Did we watch the same movies
Damn Nintendo is pure evil
It's like some twisted payback for what happened years ago if that is indeed the case lol.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Yes until he had a change of heart, and then he became a anti-mostly hero of sorts. In subsequent movies and episodes.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I never heard this before. I don't believe tgis to be true. Sound like bullshit.
Samurai has personally insulted the Nintendo fan community, and more importantly me, by announcing Cloud as a playable Smash Bros character. It is clear evidence of his incompetence that he has wasted a slot on this generic anime emo character that no one even knows about instead of ones that are more important to Nintendo history. Superior characters like Geno, Foreman Spike, or Tayce T.
Heed my words, Nintendo. If you do not cancel the release of Cloud by next week, I will only buy one copy of every Zelda game in the future. I will also cease my production of Reggie Fils-Aime yaoi doujins. You have been warned.
(I had the strange urge to type this. I don't know why.)
Heed my words, Nintendo. If you do not cancel the release of Cloud by next week, I will only buy one copy of every Zelda game in the future. I will also cease my production of Reggie Fils-Aime yaoi doujins. You have been warned.
(I had the strange urge to type this. I don't know why.)
Why are we talking about PSABR2 when there likely won't be another, at least for quite some time? I doubt this move had anything to do with that franchise since Sony couldn't even get Crash into that game. This is more like Smash getting a FF rep since FF was pretty big on Nintendo consoles back in the day and even now in some cases. They happened to get the fan favorite FF character, regardless of his credentials on Nintendo platforms, he's the face of FF for many so he's in Smash. Good job Sakurai.
It is bullshit. Seems kind of childish to speculate some war over 3rd party characters. PSABR probably didn't even have half the budget of Smash 4.
To think that Sakurai spent his time making decisions on this game and adding 3rd party characters to spite a last gen party brawler whose developers were cut loose is silly.
Verendus said that they're considering a second one or something like that.
He's pretty great in the breakout scene.
But otherwise, he's just kinda a mope.
"WAAAAH HUMANS ARE BAD AND ABUSE POKEMON BECAUSE GIOVANNI MANIPULATED ME SO I'M GONNA KILL ALL THE HUMANS AND ALL THE POKEMON BESIDES MY OWN OH WAIT ONE HUMAN DID SOMETHING GOOD I GUESS HUMANS AREN'T SO BAD"
Cloud my dude and all but I kinda agree that his inclusion wasn't necessary, especially when there are still other Nintendo characters with clout that either should have been shoe ins or are more deserving, especially for franchises that have very little representation like Earthbound, F Zero and Metroid. Had Sakurai covered these bases properly, then I'd have looked at Cloud as "icing on the cake" since at that point everyone who absolutely deserves a spot would be in and the underwhelming representation for certain franchises was taken care of.
Had he done THAT, then I'd like to think people here would be more excited to have him aboard
Had he done THAT, then I'd like to think people here would be more excited to have him aboard
Beyonce Beytwice
Member
[QUOTE="D";185695352]especially for franchises that have very little representation like Earthbound[/QUOTE]
A series with 3 games in total that has 2 playable characters, that's like 66,7% representation! Probably the highest percentage amount in the entire game.
A series with 3 games in total that has 2 playable characters, that's like 66,7% representation! Probably the highest percentage amount in the entire game.
[QUOTE="D";185695352]Cloud my dude and all but I kinda agree that his inclusion wasn't necessary, especially when there are still other Nintendo characters with clout that either should have been shoe ins or are more deserving, especially for franchises that have very little representation like Earthbound, F Zero and Metroid. Had Sakurai covered these bases properly, then I'd have looked at Cloud as "icing on the cake" since at that point everyone who absolutely deserves a spot would be in and the underwhelming representation for certain franchises was taken care of.
Had he done THAT, then I'd like to think people here would be more excited to have him aboard[/QUOTE]
We're over 55 characters. Nearly every important(to sakurai) Nintendo character is in at this point so some branching out isn't too outlandish.
Had he done THAT, then I'd like to think people here would be more excited to have him aboard[/QUOTE]
We're over 55 characters. Nearly every important(to sakurai) Nintendo character is in at this point so some branching out isn't too outlandish.
Kid Icarus has three games and three characters. 100%!
Ice Climbers would also have 100% if they were in the game.
GregLombardi
Member
[QUOTE="D";185695352]Cloud my dude and all but I kinda agree that his inclusion wasn't necessary, especially when there are still other Nintendo characters with clout that either should have been shoe ins or are more deserving, especially for franchises that have very little representation like Earthbound, F Zero and Metroid. Had Sakurai covered these bases properly, then I'd have looked at Cloud as "icing on the cake" since at that point everyone who absolutely deserves a spot would be in and the underwhelming representation for certain franchises was taken care of.
Had he done THAT, then I'd like to think people here would be more excited to have him aboard[/QUOTE]
I think a lot of people are very, very excited to have Cloud in the game, as evidenced by the internet reaction to his announcement.
That said, I will say that for future Smash Bros. games your dreams may become a reality.
Had he done THAT, then I'd like to think people here would be more excited to have him aboard[/QUOTE]
I think a lot of people are very, very excited to have Cloud in the game, as evidenced by the internet reaction to his announcement.
That said, I will say that for future Smash Bros. games your dreams may become a reality.
Beyonce Beytwice
Member
Good point, I forgot about those <3
[QUOTE="D";185695352]Cloud my dude and all but I kinda agree that his inclusion wasn't necessary, especially when there are still other Nintendo characters with clout that either should have been shoe ins or are more deserving, especially for franchises that have very little representation like Earthbound, F Zero and Metroid. Had Sakurai covered these bases properly, then I'd have looked at Cloud as "icing on the cake" since at that point everyone who absolutely deserves a spot would be in and the underwhelming representation for certain franchises was taken care of.
Had he done THAT, then I'd like to think people here would be more excited to have him aboard[/QUOTE]
F-Zero and EarthBound are my favorite Nintendo franchises, and I think they are very well represented as of now, character-wise. I'd love to Porky, or Kumatora, but I think for the Mother series 2 characters is good enough already.
F-Zero DEFINITELY needs more representation in the form of music or stages though, its only new original song for this game was YET another remix of Mute City. Captain Falcon as a character represents the series by himself pretty well in my opinion.
Metroid has the issue of not having many characters that could be put in Smash, except Ridley, but doesn't seem Sakurai will add him.
Probably have more of an argument there with Donkey Kong, which is a pretty important Nintendo series, even though I personally think DK + Diddy is pretty good character-wise.
Had he done THAT, then I'd like to think people here would be more excited to have him aboard[/QUOTE]
F-Zero and EarthBound are my favorite Nintendo franchises, and I think they are very well represented as of now, character-wise. I'd love to Porky, or Kumatora, but I think for the Mother series 2 characters is good enough already.
F-Zero DEFINITELY needs more representation in the form of music or stages though, its only new original song for this game was YET another remix of Mute City. Captain Falcon as a character represents the series by himself pretty well in my opinion.
Metroid has the issue of not having many characters that could be put in Smash, except Ridley, but doesn't seem Sakurai will add him.
Probably have more of an argument there with Donkey Kong, which is a pretty important Nintendo series, even though I personally think DK + Diddy is pretty good character-wise.
[QUOTE="D";185695352]Cloud my dude and all but I kinda agree that his inclusion wasn't necessary, especially when there are still other Nintendo characters with clout that either should have been shoe ins or are more deserving, especially for franchises that have very little representation like Earthbound, F Zero and Metroid.[/QUOTE]
I can see the logic here, but at the same time Smash is sort of reaching the point where there aren't too many more characters that you can add from these series without reaching the bottom of barrel. The Mother series has 3 games to its name and there are no plans for more games so 2 characters seems like a perfect number. F-Zero is basically dead at this point and only lives on in Mario Kart DLC and Smash. Plus, only a handful of characters really stand out from its roster and we hardly ever saw them in action outside of driving.
Metroid is still a good-sized series and I agree that 1 more character would be good, but I feel that's why ZSS got added. Sakurai really didn't think any character other than Samus was important enough to be playable so he gave us another Samus just so Metroid could have more than one character.
The only series that I think is underrepped in terms of characters at this point is Donkey Kong. It's big and still getting games so a third character isn't some ridiculous request.
I can see the logic here, but at the same time Smash is sort of reaching the point where there aren't too many more characters that you can add from these series without reaching the bottom of barrel. The Mother series has 3 games to its name and there are no plans for more games so 2 characters seems like a perfect number. F-Zero is basically dead at this point and only lives on in Mario Kart DLC and Smash. Plus, only a handful of characters really stand out from its roster and we hardly ever saw them in action outside of driving.
Metroid is still a good-sized series and I agree that 1 more character would be good, but I feel that's why ZSS got added. Sakurai really didn't think any character other than Samus was important enough to be playable so he gave us another Samus just so Metroid could have more than one character.
The only series that I think is underrepped in terms of characters at this point is Donkey Kong. It's big and still getting games so a third character isn't some ridiculous request.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
While it has interesting and unique information, it didn't cover nearly as much as you seem to think it did
Don't get me wrong I think it's dope as hell to have Cloud and I'm looking forward to playing with him, I just feel like Sakurai should have maybe put in more deserving Nintendo reps before putting him in, that way having him there doesn't feel like he took some more deserving characters spot
I guess an example would be leaving out K. Rool, and failing to return Ice Climbers (which I understand was for tech reasons) but adding a character from a franchise that after SNES, Nintendo had gotten little support from