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Wag said:
But by not taking part in it he accomplishes nothing.

What would he say to all those African Americans who gave up their lives for the right to vote?
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Not to mention this:

Who do people think is going to actually suffer more if/when Trumpoids installl more hardline bigots into cabinet jobs at FBI, homeland security, police forces, economy positions etc? The 'establishment' democrats, the white millionaire grandmomma Hillary, or defenseless minorities? Idealism is pricey.
 
A Fish Aficionado said:
So burn the whole thing to the ground? I don't get your point.
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WHY NOT? Gaze at the Donald fucking Trump presidency right now. Look at the rise of anti-minority racism AGAIN. Look at its power and reach. People voted for authoritarian fascism from someone with no experience over literally anything else in the world, because they want this more than anything else.

The Civil Rights Era NEVER ENDED. This government was never designed for you.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Again, you guys are talking like Kaep's involved in this binary babyface vs heel wrestling thing you guys have going on, but he's said the entire system, not just one side, is racist and holds itself together. He's not wrong, imo.
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Yet, you can still participate. Democracy is not flawless but it's the best we have. Not voting, for anyone (state or local), is harmful. And I'm glad i didn't buy his jersey.

Every system available, would be harmful to black people. What other system available, in the entire world, in all of history, could be beneficial to black americans, at this current time?

Monarchy? Dictatorships?

I Big JG I said:
Is it not your right to choose not to vote as well?
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Yes. But he loses credibility when seeking justice. His voice doesn't carry the same weight. Saying the system is broken is reasonable. Saying you don't want to vote allows people to question his motives. How will it change without a powerful tool, such as voting? Magic?

It'll change thru work and not voting, for anyone, seems lazy. It may not be but he does open himself to criticism. With no money, minimal power and no vote, how do you change? Luck? Magic?
 
It's really black people's decision to make. If they think the biggest factor of change is more funerals for cops than voting... can't say I can tell them they're wrong.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
These things literally have never gotten traction. Remember we have a black president RIGHT NOW. Did BLM get jack shit from anyone? Do we still have the Voting Rights Act? Look at reality. Think more and read more.
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Come the fuck on. Those things are part of the national conversation NOW and the president has spoken about these things at length, but he's not a fucking dictator. Complaining your issues aren't heard and then not voting is insane. None of these things will be talked about under a Trump administration at all. You fucking think and read more.
 
If someone publicly calling for change rejects the most critical and direct way he has to enact that change, then I don't want to ever hear shit from that person again. It proves that person was in it entirely for himself.

Stop acting like there isn't anything of importance on the ballot after the presidency. The further down the list you go the more important the choices are when it comes to affecting the day to day happenings of yourself and everyone around you.
 
RoninChaos said:
Come the fuck on. Those things are part of the national conversation NOW and the president has spoken about these things at length, but he's not a fucking dictator. Complaining your issues aren't heard and then not voting is insane. None of these things will be talked about under a Trump administration at all. You fucking think and read more.
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im a black man who voted democrat. i did my part and this is what i get for my troubles. the system is shit
 
I'm trying to wrap my head around this all right now. I mean, Hillary won the primaries in large part due to the Black community and vote in the South. A lot of people in this thread are making the same justifications about Hillary now that they did with Bernie in the primaries. "She didn't reach out enough" "she doesn't represent the black community enough". I'm trying to figure out how we now are at "Hillary didn't get a big turnout from the Black community because she didn't try or care about black people enough" from "Bernie lost because he didn't try or care about the black community but Hillary did"

Maybe none of that makes sense, I'm still mentally all over the place after last night's loss.
 
RoninChaos said:
Come the fuck on. Those things are part of the national conversation NOW and the president has spoken about these things at length, but he's not a fucking dictator. Complaining your issues aren't heard and then not voting is insane. None of these things will be talked about under a Trump administration at all. You fucking think and read more.
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It's a representative government. I don't blame minorities or women for ever thinking they will never be fully represented. They're not opting out as much as they were never invited to the table, and they never will be in this system. There's a reason we do not have the Voting Rights Act. I hope you consider these things instead of reacting defensively to new news.
 
Wag said:
Don't criticize the political system if you don't take part in it.
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Wasn't the march of Selma a culmination of a group of people who werent part of the politcal system being critical of it?

I mean yeah they were fighting so Blacks could vote becuase back then a black child could be killed in the streets by Police and nothing would happen. Polticis would protect them, glad things are so different today....wait only it's not.

Black people didnt matter then to the establishment and they still don't matter now. And until the establishment truly proves that it cares. You're going to have a hard time EARNING the votes of these people.

And if the country suffers, so be it'll motivate the democrats to find someone who sees the worth of the minority vote.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
WHY NOT? Gaze at the Donald fucking Trump presidency right now. Look at the rise of anti-minority racism AGAIN. Look at its power and reach. People voted for authoritarian fascism from someone with no experience over literally anything else in the world, because they want this more than anything else.

The Civil Rights Era NEVER ENDED. This government was never designed for you.
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People who are racist voted for it and plenty didn't vote so I'm not sure what parallel you're trying to make here. The people voted wanted racism but respect that minorities don't want to vote or be involved... Maybe they wouldn't be rising up to power of more people voted and spoke out against it. Just a thought...
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
This is a terrible rebuttal. Everyone has the right not to vote if they don't want to. Shamefully trying to invoke other dying have nothing to do with this. This is worse than the shit people say with military and servicemen who died for your rights and shit so now you're forced to do X. Get out of here with this nonsense.
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Different from the military where you have to follow commands of your superiors. Conscientious objector doesn't apply here. Nobody is forcing you to vote, but if you don't participate you shouldn't complain about the system- plus it's easier to change the system from within than without.

I wonder if he'll show up for Jury Duty if called?

Selma is an interesting example- but remember some of those participating in the civil rights movement actually became part of the political system themselves.
 
I respect his decision. The only issue I have is that he can't complain later down the line when they bring back stop and frisk and he gets patted down just like everyone else.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
WHY NOT? Gaze at the Donald fucking Trump presidency right now. Look at the rise of anti-minority racism AGAIN. Look at its power and reach. People voted for authoritarian fascism from someone with no experience over literally anything else in the world, because they want this more than anything else.

The Civil Rights Era NEVER ENDED. This government was never designed for you.
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Change in politics is just like in science.It works in increments. It's building in top of previous efforts.

You participate, you get involved. You figure out what works.

I'm a pessimist by nature, but this is outright nihilistic.
 
SamuelSupreme said:
Wasn't the march of Selma a culmination of a group of people who werent part of the politcal system being critical of it?

I mean yeah they were fighting so Blacks could vote becuase back then a black child could be killed in the streets by Police and nothing would happen. Polticis would protect them, glad things are so different today....wait only it's not.

Black people didnt matter then to the establishment and they still don't matter now. And until the establishment truly proves that it cares. You're going to have a hard time EARNING the votes of these people.

And if the country suffers, so be it'll motivate the democrats to find someone who sees the worth of the minority vote.
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So you're disingenuously using a time where blacks largely couldn't vote to a time when they can? Well that settles it...

Wag said:
Different from the military where you have to follow commands of your superiors. Conscientious objector doesn't apply here. Nobody is forcing you to vote, but if you don't participate you shouldn't complain about the system- plus it's easier to change the system from within than without.

I wonder if he'll show up for Jury Duty if called?

Selma is an interesting example- but remember some of those participating in the civil rights movement actually became part of the political system themselves.
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No, it's literally the same logic. You didn't say they shouldn't complain you literally said they were obligated to because people died. That's disgusting you trying to guilt that they're spitting in the face of blacks who died to get civil and voting rights. Don't try to hand wave it away by changing your argument.
 
Wag said:
Different from the military where you have to follow commands of your superiors. Conscientious objector doesn't apply here. Nobody is forcing you to vote, but if you don't participate you shouldn't complain about the system- plus it's easier to change the system from within than without.

I wonder if he'll show up for Jury Duty if called?

Selma is an interesting example- but remember some of those participating in the civil rights movement actually became part of the political system themselves.
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Can you cite information for this? It feels like you're just repeating platitudes. What's the historical precedent? If anything, full on revolution and secession has produced much more dramatic change and progression.

I swear you guys have never considered the United States could be anything different than this white supremacy right now. It was different forever before 250 years ago.
 
Lenz44 said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around this all right now. I mean, Hillary won the primaries in large part due to the Black community and vote in the South. A lot of people in this thread are making the same justifications about Hillary now that they did with Bernie in the primaries. "She didn't reach out enough" "she doesn't represent the black community enough". I'm trying to figure out how we now are at "Hillary didn't get a big turnout from the Black community because she didn't try or care about black people enough" from "Bernie lost because he didn't try or care about the black community but Hillary did"

Maybe none of that makes sense, I'm still mentally all over the place after last night's loss.
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Because they want to blame her in their peraonal narrative so they come out as the good guy. Mental gymnastics.
 
kirblar said:
Because they want to blame her in their peraonal narrative so they come out as the good guy. Mental gymnastics.
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I think some are in their own way just owning up to a little bit of "embarrassment" around feverish support of Hillary pre-vote. It didn't necessarily translate from NeoGAF political OT to voters out there who got us where we are (either by voting for Trump, or doing some non-vote protest).

Reality can be sobering, and brutal on the mind. Some compassion is needed even for those who might have been a little insufferable a week ago on GAF. Many had their hearts in the right place.

Infinite said:
wat
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Some on GAF have swung from mass appeal to vote for Hillary for all demographics (and outright venom at anyone going Libertarian), to Hillary wasn't good enough/didn't represent minorities well enough/not voting is understandable. To now criticise her for being part of the "establishment" is going over a bit rough considering it was literally the argument of the Trump voters who got shot down at every attempt to call her that.
 
Darryl M R said:
AND THIS IS WHY VOTING MATTERS.

Because acting as if you are above the voting process allow others to decide what policies will be in place that can directly affect you and people like you.
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YUP! I get reeeeeeeaaaaaalllllly tired of motherfuckers who pretend they are onto some next-level shit politically but then turn around and pretend change is about Presidents. I guarantee you these dopes won't be fighting the good fight on the NEXT election day, but they get to pretend they did something wise and sagacious in not voting today. Silly silly silly.
 
Audioboxer said:
I think some are in their own way just owning up to a little bit of "embarrassment" around feverish support of Hillary pre-vote. It didn't necessarily translate from NeoGAF political OT to voters out there who got us where we are (either by voting for Trump, or doing some non-vote protest).

Reality can be sobering, and brutal on the mind. Some compassion is needed even for those who might have been a little insufferable a week ago on GAF. Many had their hearts in the right place.



Some on GAF have swung from mass appeal to vote for Hillary for all demographics (and outright venom at anyone going Libertarian), to Hillary wasn't good enough/didn't represent minorities well enough/not voting is understandable. To now criticise her for being part of the "establishment" is going over a bit rough considering it was literally the argument of the Trump voters who got shot down at every attempt to call her that.
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how do you know the same people that were saying that about hillary are saying this now about her? Gaf is not a singular entity.
 
Infinite said:
how do you know the same people that were saying that about hillary are saying this now about her? Gaf is not a singular entity.
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"Some"

Liu Kang Baking A Pie already had a sobering exchange with me above. Plus Infinite I know you were active on GAF the past weeks, what I'm saying about rallying around Clinton and people asking for those to vote for her even if they didn't like her to keep out Trump is true. Especially from a lot of minorities on GAF.

The problem is that didn't translate off of GAF to the widespread public. Clinton lost and 46.9% of people didn't even bother voting. That disconnect from wishful thinking on GAF to reality is sobering. A democratic candidate has to do better to turn these people on.
 
What did he mean by this? said:
Calling black people lazy? Did you type shiftless or uppity then erase it

Black people didnt come out for Hilary because Hilary didnt come out for them and had to send Obama to shame us into voting for her as a favor for him. Thats the best she had
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Thats fine if you believe this, and I personally feel is a justified reason taken out of the context of Trump. Just don't join the chorus calling everyone else that didn't vote for Hillary racist, sexist, etc.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
So you're disingenuously using a time where blacks largely couldn't vote to a time when they can? Well that settles it...


No, it's literally the same logic. You didn't say they shouldn't complain you literally said they were obligated to because people died. That's disgusting you trying to guilt that they're spitting in the face of blacks who died to get civil and voting rights. Don't try to hand wave it away by changing your argument.
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Uh thanks to GOP voting laws which will be forthcoming Blacks will easily be denied the vote. It's already happening.
 
What did he mean by this? said:
A lot of black people didnt vote.
So the media of course is on tap to blame black people for losing the election for Hilary. Maybe you should have taken us seriously instead of nae nae'ing with Jay and Bey, Hillay
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Frankly, white folks like me have the luxury of deciding to skip the polls if they don't feel sufficiently courted. Black folks don't. Because now the Republicans are going to redouble their efforts to marginalize them completely.
 
kirblar said:
People going after her for "lack of minority outreach" when she won minorities handily over Bernie. Then using that excuse to justify not voting.
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but there were a lot of young progressive black people and other minorities who would have rather voted for a bernie sanders rather than a hillary and they apparently did when they got the chance. It would be of no surprise if those same people are the ones who still feel that way now after the conclusion of the election. As it turns out we dont all think the same.

Audioboxer said:
"Some"

Liu Kang Baking A Pie already had a sobering exchange with me above. Plus Infinite I know you were active on GAF the past weeks, what I'm saying about rallying around Clinton and people asking for those to vote for her even if they didn't like her to keep out Trump is true. Especially from a lot of minorities on GAF.

The problem is that didn't translate off of GAF to the widespread public. Clinton lost and 46.9% of people didn't even bother voting. That disconnect from wishful thinking on GAF to reality is sobering. A democratic candidate has to do better to turn these people on.
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honestly i agree. especially with that last part
 
Even if you dislike Hillary, if you support BLM in any fashion you should have voted Democrat. Trump and Guliani have all but labeled BLM a terrorist organization.
 
Stunningly stupid. Even if he truly didn't understand theres more on a ballot than just the next president, he still should have understood that voting sews up this particular angle of attack from those that want to silence him.
 
I'm not going to hate on him. He does not believe in the system. Simple. Alot of people feel that way. Some folks felt that way their entire lives.
 
mcfrank said:
2012 Obama: 65.9m
2016 Clinton: 59.1m = -6.8m
2012 Romney: 60.9m
2016 Trump: 59m = -1.9m

Repubs showed up, Dems didn't.
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Cross post/quote.

I guess. I'm just really pissed we have a president rooting for national stop and frisk because a small number of people just wasn't 'excited'.

They rolled back the voting rights act. Will fuck with Obama care. Encourage a police state during one of the few times, in history, we have a national conversation about police brutality. No Senate, no house, and just a prayer we are not at a 6-3 conservative supreme court.

The only logical evolution to not voting is?
 
Infinite said:
but there were a lot of young progressive black people and other minorities who would have rather voted for a bernie sanders rather than a hillary and they apparently did when they got the chance. It would be of no surprise if those same people are the ones who still feel that way now after the conclusion of the election. As it turns out we dont all think the same.



honestly i agree. especially with that last part
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It's depressing, another GAFer supplied this to me

In 2012 it was 42.5%. In 2008 37.7%.
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Obama got it down to 37.7%. Okay it increased a bit in his second term, but for it to increase again this year with the stakes? Damn.

2000 - 45.8% did not vote
2004 - 39.6% did not vote
2008 - 37.7% did not vote
2012 - 42.5% did not vote
2016 - 46.9% did not vote
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Gouty said:
Stunningly stupid. Even if he truly didn't understand theres more on a ballot than just the next president, he still should have understood that voting sews up this particular angle of attack from those that want to silence him.
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You guys are still playing political theater. Do you think he cares about that? Why would he be concerned with gossip and personal attacks after learning about institutional racism? Do you guys get what "institutional" is referring to? Is the reality going to really sink in?
 
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