The part in bold is absolutely implied. How else would the source possibly know without people telling him/her?
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Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"
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The part in bold is absolutely implied. How else would the source possibly know without people telling him/her?
If that part is implied, wouldn't that pretty much mean the tweet was pointless considering there is no way to know how many devs were talked to? And if so, wouldn't that mean everyone here that is questioning the tweet is justified in questioning it, since the literal meaning of the tweet does not mesh with what you are saying is implied? If so, then it sounds like there is reason to question the tweet, right? This seems to cause the discussion to go into a circle...
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Still waiting for proof developers are not happy.
The problem with omissions is that it seemingly relies on people mind reading. Unfortunately mind reading has led press outlets and other people who should know better to interpret that as all. The whole point of the bolded is to narrow the scope of the statement and that without it there is a suggestion of widespread unhappiness.
Exactitude is very important. There was also no follow up tweet expressing any clarification on people's misinterpretations.
Mind reading or common sense?
Why do you need to specify that most = most of the ones he talked to instead of most of developers that are working on the PS4?
He explained it very well on the Gamecast.
That is what I took it to mean. Lots of other people didn't take that meaning at all. You saw people take the naive interpretation of the words written in the tweet and then run with them (often press people that should know better than spread bullshit).
Stealthcobra
Member
I'd say you guys are nuts for taking what he says as golden... Where are the dev tweets? Dev anonymous sources... We basically got one guy or a small few that has said anything. First he's a independent blogger sorta speak... Anything he says can be used to further his own brand... Next most devs? You think this guy knows most devs? How many is most? Indeterminate... There's no way to find that out. How many devs go to e3 or any expo... 2 to maybe 10 at any one time? There's 100s that work at ubi.. Just as an example... He's met 90% of them? How? My point is he doesnt know most devs... A couple here or there from each studio... But most is a subjective term and highly improbable that most gave their feedback...
CosmicQueso
Member
Guess Drinkbox wasn't on his list of sources from source.
Neuromancer
Member
Well they make games for Sony platforms so they're obviously biased!
If the GPU fits...
Notice how this is the 2nd thread from a dev seeing it from a positive side, and a 3rd that posts about positives....
and yet its getting lil attention....
DriftingSpirit
Member
Boo!
Take your other side of the story that is being overshadowed by cynicism and negativity somewhere else!
Boo!
This is a pointless semantic argument.
Without a qualifying number it is still a meaningless statement.
'Most developers' or 'Most developers I've spoken with.' still lack an actual number of devs CM has or hasn't spoken with about Neo.
It's a rubbish statement whichever way you choose to interpret it - literally or implied - and it's something a decent journalist should avoid saying.
Papacheeks
Banned
Would like to hear from indie developers like Firewatch devs who had trouble with frame rate on PS4 all by itself.
Or Johnathan blow, or even Sean Murray.
formasymphonic
Member
I'm not saying you are wrong, but there could be any number of reasons that no-one would go publicly / on record about not being happy with a PS4K and mid-gen spec bumps in general.
If you are from a larger third party studio, you probably like your job and wouldn't want to endanger it Adam Orth style by saying something that they will absolutely let you be the fall guy for.
If you are from a studio closer to Sony and you guys do know about PS4K etc already, there is no way you aren't under NDA etc. Especially as the console hasn't even been announced yet.
If you are from an indie or smaller studio, you probably don't know enough to say anything or if you do have that knowledge from Sony for some reason - there is no way you would want to damage that relationship etc.
So again, I'm not saying you are wrong - but people tend to like keeping their jobs/income/prospects open. There are legit reasons for people to not be going on record for now.