Inferno313
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And Selma doesn't showcase "directing chops?" What?
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And Selma doesn't showcase "directing chops?" What?
Oh man, Bobby. You are getting me so hyped for a female director.
Holy shit I did not know this. Now I want Ava. https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...s-force-awakens-shot-inspired-by-ava-duvernay
Bobby Roberts
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Right?
WhiteRabbitEXE
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JJ has outright said he wants an Ava-directed Star Wars as well.
JJ Abrams said:
To which she responded: https://twitter.com/ava/status/674629411296047104
Amusingly, she was previously attached to a Trevorrow-scripted project, and I believe their careers have intersected in the past as well.
Grace Randolph on YouTube has been getting a bit better overall, but her latest video about the Trevorrow firing and Kathleen Kennedy reminded me why I started to avoid YouTube channels like hers for a while now.
She was on point until she awoke her inner white woman side and ranted that Kennedy SHOULD NOT pick a woman or POC director because "it's going to seem like she fired a man just for representation", and that sentiment is being shared too much it seems, even by people here.
Well, Kennedy already hired a shitty white man, hiring for representation would be step up.
Randolph's point, I think, was that Kennedy should be blamed for making bad initial decisions, not for wanting representation, but that it's too late to pick a non-white guy director onboard for Episode IX.
I believe the blowback wouldn't be greater than the overall benefit of picking a talented woman or POC to direct, or even if it is, fuck it, but do any of you guys or gals here really think it's too much of a danger?
She was on point until she awoke her inner white woman side and ranted that Kennedy SHOULD NOT pick a woman or POC director because "it's going to seem like she fired a man just for representation", and that sentiment is being shared too much it seems, even by people here.
Well, Kennedy already hired a shitty white man, hiring for representation would be step up.
Randolph's point, I think, was that Kennedy should be blamed for making bad initial decisions, not for wanting representation, but that it's too late to pick a non-white guy director onboard for Episode IX.
I believe the blowback wouldn't be greater than the overall benefit of picking a talented woman or POC to direct, or even if it is, fuck it, but do any of you guys or gals here really think it's too much of a danger?
AuthenticM
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Count me in for Ava. She would definitely be the best director to ever work on a Star Wars movie.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Bobby Roberts
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It's not a danger at all, and if she hires a woman to close out Rey's trilogy, especially in replacing Colin Trevorrow's ass, the number of hot takes complaining that a woman got the job for whatever contorted reason is trotted out will be dwarfed by positive response in the same way the Executor threw shade all over the 3 or 4 Star Destroyers puttering around beneath it.
Inferno313
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The only folks who would be seriously pissed about the hiring of a woman are the same chucklefucks who call Rey a Mary Sue, and accuse these new movies as being too "politically correct"
they don't fucking matter
they don't fucking matter
WhiteRabbitEXE
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LITTLE. WHITE. CUCKBALL.
Ha.
But yeah, I honestly think the worries about the reaction to hiring a woman are overblown, especially if Rian delivers for TLJ.
And the lack of an announcement about a replacement director these many days out after Trevorrow's firing tells me they are seriously considering it.
Either that or Rian is playing hard to get.
EDIT: Or, they really aren't in a hurry yet. I suppose they can wait even after New Year or after TLJ is a month or two out.
BronsonLee
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Bobby I don't understand your Stargate references
Bobby Roberts
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Executor = this guy's giant fucking Twelve-Head
Cow Mengde
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So Colin Trevorrow?
mariachi507
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From Ava, I've seen 13th (which was in my top ten last year) and Life Itself (which is also great). I need to familiarize myself with her other movies, but I trust people here vouching for her.
The people saying that they don't want a female director for Episode IX can fuck right off with that logic. A good director is a good director I don't care if they pull their pants up one leg or two legs at a time.
Based off of his last two flicks I'm pulling for Taika, that's if Johnson passes on it. Both of them are already giving us two movies that take place in space this year, so I can understand if they're burnt out. It is Star Wars though, and an important Star Wars at that. If Johnson absolutely kills it with The Last Jedi and he's excited about IX then I really hope it's him.
I feel like Kennedy knows this isn't just bringing in a ghost director or replacing another for an anthology flick. I would be surprised if any of the old guard type of directors get announced (Gilroy and Howard). It's gotta be someone that's hungry, one that can get everybody excited.
Even though I feel a little bad for Colin, this is the best thing that could have happened for this Trilogy. His involvement was tempering my hype for even the Last Jedi and now it's all exciting again.
The people saying that they don't want a female director for Episode IX can fuck right off with that logic. A good director is a good director I don't care if they pull their pants up one leg or two legs at a time.
Based off of his last two flicks I'm pulling for Taika, that's if Johnson passes on it. Both of them are already giving us two movies that take place in space this year, so I can understand if they're burnt out. It is Star Wars though, and an important Star Wars at that. If Johnson absolutely kills it with The Last Jedi and he's excited about IX then I really hope it's him.
I feel like Kennedy knows this isn't just bringing in a ghost director or replacing another for an anthology flick. I would be surprised if any of the old guard type of directors get announced (Gilroy and Howard). It's gotta be someone that's hungry, one that can get everybody excited.
Even though I feel a little bad for Colin, this is the best thing that could have happened for this Trilogy. His involvement was tempering my hype for even the Last Jedi and now it's all exciting again.
phazedplasma
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WadiumArcadium
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Discotheque
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Hold up. She's only made one movie. And while it was good, Selma hardly puts her over Rian Johnson. Or hell Lucas too cuz of a new hope and his movies prior to that.
Not knocking the choice tho. She'd prolly do a good job. Certainly over the likes of trevorrow
Edit: lmao never mind. Looks like she made a couple films before then. Never heard of them. Forgot she was behind 13 too
Shadowhelper
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Well, I said Waititi showed he had skills and is suitable.
No, Selma doesn't show why one would think she is suitable for Star Wars, at all.
And hell yes, Hunt for the Wilderpeople shows some very refined and excellent action directing skills. That's an understatement. That's a kinetic fast paced movie, that tells a story through action, with lots of humor and an extremely light touch. Hunt for the Wilderpeople signals the emergence of an Edgar Wright like talent. Waititi taking over genre franchises is not odd at all. Not one bit. Exactly opposite. The dudes made for this shit, obviously.
After Selma when a reporter asked her about doing a Marvel movie, Ava looked absolutely incredulous. Like why would anyone ask her to direct a superhero movie after seeing Selma? She laughed it off.
Lifejumper
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Wrinkle in Time looks good. Dunno how it will be received tho.
Shadowhelper
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True it could be great. It's not out yet though. I'm just going off what we know, and we're all just fans speculating from the outside.
Still, I don't find her very comparable to Waititi. He was an absolute no brainer for Thor. Hunt for the Wilderpeople is an incredible movie, that showcases why he'd be perfect for a mainstream tentpole franchise like Thor. Very skilled at action and humor.
Honestly, getting Waititi was a major coup for Marvel.
DontBeThatGuy
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What about You, Me and Dupree made you think the Russo Brothers should do Winter Soldier and now The Avengers?
Ava also has a big budget sci fi fantasy coming out, and she's plenty capable of doing some Star Wars shit, and could also bring a fresh perspective. Abrams would also agree.
Shadowhelper
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Nothing about You, Me and Dupree. Which is why not a single fan suggested the directors of You Me and Dupree. And if you had, people would've said that's odd.
" Oh Marvel please get the guys who directed You, Me and Dupree to direct Captain America!"
Buuuut they did direct some amazing Community epsidoes that proved they could do action and comedy incredibly well. Yup. Knowing that, they are actually excellent choices, and one can see why Marvel went for them. Pretty much exactly what Marvel is looking for.
You didn't answer what about Selma made you think she should direct a Star Wars movie?
StWilson85
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The fact it's an absolutely fantastic piece of filmmaking isn't enough?
DontBeThatGuy
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The point is that a filmmakers past work is not a barometer for their ability to work outside of the genres they started in.
(Russo's started out piss in comedy until some apparently decent Community episodes whereas Ava been weaving together quality narratives since the beginning, because she's a talented filmmaker)
You keep bringing up Selma though, and it's like, what about Selma made Disney think Ava was right for A Wrinkle in Time?
Figure it out.
SuperEpicMan
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I think it could be anyone tbh. The danger I see is that they give someone like Waititi, DuVernay or Johnson first refusal for the job, who would all be coming in off the back of other huge blockbusters, and they accept but don't have the same quite the energy for it compared to their previous movies.
That being said, thats not to say these directors couldn't too a great job. I just think there have been similar times where a director was offered to return for a sequel, but didn't quite have the same energy.
Spectre
The Dark Knight Rises
The Hangover
The Hunger Games (Catching Fire was great, Mockingjay Parts 1 and 2 were awful)
The Hobbit Trilogy (kind of)
That being said, thats not to say these directors couldn't too a great job. I just think there have been similar times where a director was offered to return for a sequel, but didn't quite have the same energy.
Spectre
The Dark Knight Rises
The Hangover
The Hunger Games (Catching Fire was great, Mockingjay Parts 1 and 2 were awful)
The Hobbit Trilogy (kind of)
WhiteRabbitEXE
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People are really bad with "typecasting" directors, and not understanding how the skills on display behind one movie can be applied to a significantly different movie.
I still haven't seen Selma, but by all accounts it's a truly excellent movie with a clear talent behind it, and that talent is unlikely to dry up simply because of a shift to a very different genre. A good director is a good director and is often capable of making a wide range of films, even if some may choose (or more often get stuck) making similar flicks.
Beyond making a well-known and highly acclaimed film (which yeah, should be enough), we already know she has helped make TFA a better movie, and JJ Abrams himself believes she'd be the best fit for a future Star Wars movie. Plus, right now she's working on a high profile sci-fantasy film for the same parent company. So there's more than "just" a universally acclaimed film that showcases real directorial talent anyway.
Shadowhelper
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Hell no. Woody Allen is one of the greatest film makers of all time, doesn't mean I want him to fucking direct Batman.
Still didn't answer the question, I see.
I bring up Selma after someone elses response did, and for obvious reasons. You brought up You Me and Dupree, in direct reference to Selma, so again you brought it up.
First it was of course Ava is just as suitable as Waititi, and now its you can't use the past as a barometer. LOL okay. Well, Marvel did when it came to the Russo brothers as they got Captain America from their work on Community. Not decent Community episodes, you are wrong, amazing Community episodes showcasing action and humor exactly what Marvel is looking for.
To you and me, their past work is the only barometer. You're not there, behind the scenes listening to pitches.
And yeah, Ava might be excellent, and might work out. Never said the opposite, but she's an odd choice. There's no obvious reason to pick Ava Duvernay for Star Wars. She might bring a fresh perspective and a compliment from a friend is such a low bar that we may as well just start suggesting any director.
wesleyshark
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Just seeing this news now. So glad he's out. He's not a good director.
DoctorFling
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Imagine if Miller and Lord get hired
We'll have no idea what's real anymore
We'll have no idea what's real anymore
BronsonLee
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One big bonus to getting Ava would be that Oprah would be in a Star Wars movie
Bubble Walrus
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DoctorFling
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HAHA!
Lord and Miller are at the bottom of a fiery pit, in a lot of pain.
Josh Trank needs to be added to that gif
Discotheque
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HAHA!
Lord and Miller are at the bottom of a fiery pit, in a lot of pain.
would pay good money to see Mike Myers replace Domnhall Gleeson as the new Nazi First Order commander.
BronsonLee
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It's got about half the budget of those so I think expectations for it are more logical this time around
Is Selma really that good?
edit: I guess AuthenticM's post could very well be true.
That's honestly my biggest worry, but the film looks good, there's considerable star power behind it (instead of paycheck-George Clooney, "Who?", and washed-up Johnny Depp), it's a lower budget, and Disney has had much better success in the live action department as of late.
But Abrams is rewriting.
maybe they wouldn't let him totally scrap it idk
Well they did say "writing" in the release which seems like a hard reset on the script
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I'm guessing Rian just didn't have the energy to do another massive production immediately after wrapping TLJ with a good bit less time than before.
I'm also guessing Rian will pull a JJ and end up regretting it. It was probably a pretty tough decision for him, which is likely why it took as long as it did to confirm JJ, who probably would have said yes and been signed day one otherwise. I'd be willing to bet Rian tried to get a full year extension before passing, couldnt get it (was probably offered 6 months), and ultimately decided to pass.
It's funny, I think it was Bobby who suggested the idea of a TV-style director's bench for Star Wars, where a team of directors tag in and out for future sequels. Well, we already have JJ doing a second film, and I really wouldn't be surprised if Rian does another down the line. Hell, I could see Garett getting another spin.
I'm also guessing Rian will pull a JJ and end up regretting it. It was probably a pretty tough decision for him, which is likely why it took as long as it did to confirm JJ, who probably would have said yes and been signed day one otherwise. I'd be willing to bet Rian tried to get a full year extension before passing, couldnt get it (was probably offered 6 months), and ultimately decided to pass.
It's funny, I think it was Bobby who suggested the idea of a TV-style director's bench for Star Wars, where a team of directors tag in and out for future sequels. Well, we already have JJ doing a second film, and I really wouldn't be surprised if Rian does another down the line. Hell, I could see Garett getting another spin.
Lifejumper
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Rian gets the Obi Wan spinoff.
Chained Prometheus
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... I could actually see that happening if Daldry falls through on the film.
But yeah, Rian is definitely coming back for more Star Wars at some point, I think. Wouldn't be surprised if they nab him to kick off the next trilogy in a few years' time.