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ConfusingJazz said:
Dude, its Tuesday night football. I got shows to watch and video games to play, I don't have time for to watch junior high kids that aren't related to me play crappy football.
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Ohio St. isn't that bad.
 
Lonestar said:
No doubt, Arkansas is a foul, lame football team, wholly undeserving of a BCS game. They are only there because of the insane whims of Don Miles, and belong in a bottomless pit of SWC teams.

But they have my bow/axe/bagel in the effort to vanquish the skunky buckeyes.
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What kind of bagel do you have?
 
LosDaddie said:
I'm glad I only watched about 45min of the game last night. I started watching LOST when VT had a small lead and when I turned back on the game, Stanford had a huge lead. I really thought VT would keep it close, if not win.

Oh, ACC :lol



EDIT: RE: Michigan Discussion:

If tOSU can stay relevant, then so can Michigan. It's just going to be even more difficult to get back to "elite" status for UM than ever before. The B1G is down and, like TA said, the talent pool in the midwest is shrinking. UM really needs a hot HC hire to get recruits excited about the program again
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A big reason we stay relevant is because we have good players in the state of Ohio. Ohio is in the top 3 or 4 for high school football. Since tressels came in he's for the most part shutdown the borders. This was a big problem with Cooper, schools like michigan came in and got our states top players.
 
Lonestar said:
Plain, Poppy, Raisin, Snozzberry? and Tire

Strawberry Cream Cheese only.
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Son, how is any of that supposed to help a football team out? Get some sesame or be as useless as Pippin.

Battlezone said:
Craig James preaching about right and wrong in college football continues to be hilarious.
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Can't really think of a bigger douche in CFB. He got paid at SMU through his girlfriend.
 
To the Michigan insiders...I'm hearing that keeping RR and hiring a new DC is still an option?

If so, how many DCs will you guys go through before the people that make these decisions realize that won't solve anyhting.

RR wants the best athletes on O. Recruiting skill players on D is not his priority. It is no coincidence that WVU's D has gotten better since 2008.
No jokes about WVU's offense please.
I won't even bring up the whole Tony Gibson issue. Casteel was handcuffed under RR. Still can't believe Pacman somehow ended up at WVU during RR's tenure. I still think that was Pacman being Pacman and wanting to get pub for leaving ATL and GT (flip flop hat signing day scenario).

I was hoping you guys got JH for the schadenfreude of watching RR get fired and I could go back to never watching a UM game again. What are the chances RR gets one more year? Or better question, do you think Michigan fans will accept that as an option?
 
Meier said:
The word is that they've actually lowballed him due to the amount of the buyout they'd have to pay Rich Rod and will now hire Brady Hoke (HC at SDSU).

Looks like FMT has a chance to get his wish!
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NFL Topic has the niner's looking into grabbing Oakland's OC to be coach. Yeah, not very splashy, FMT.
 
I mean, it's not like Michigan's defense was just "not very good," or "bad, but at least they're trying." It was HOLY SHIT bad. They regularly made opposing offenses look like the Greatest Show on Turf.

No way RR doesn't get fired. If he stays, it'll be a bigger outrage than Kubiak not getting fired in Houston.
 
Speaking of B1G coaches, how the hell does Zook still have a job? :lol

That stiff competition in the B1G has really put him on the hot seat... >_>
 
jakncoke said:
That could just be the rooney rule effect
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Why do black coaches agree to be interviewed for the Rooney Rule? It seems like, while the RR had good intentions, it's largely turned into a joke.

If the Cowboys approach me about their HC job, I know they have no intention of actually hiring me, because they have the guy they want. So why waste my time?
 
Battlezone said:
Why do black coaches agree to be interviewed for the Rooney Rule? It seems like, while the RR had good intentions, it's largely turned into a joke.

If the Cowboys approach me about their HC job, I know they have no intention of actually hiring me, because they have the guy they want. So why waste my time?
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Even if they aren't hired, I'm sure it gives them at least some sort of bargaining chip either now or later.
 
So our DL coach (Bo Davis) went to Texas, and we instantaneously hire Chris Rumph from Clemson. It's like this was planned in advance or something.
 
pxleyes said:
Speaking of B1G coaches, how the hell does Zook still have a job? :lol

That stiff competition in the B1G has really put him on the hot seat... >_>
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You must have missed the decade previous to his arrival where Illinois football was as much a joke as Indiana was (and still is).
 
Z_Y said:
To the Michigan insiders...I'm hearing that keeping RR and hiring a new DC is still an option?

If so, how many DCs will you guys go through before the people that make these decisions realize that won't solve anyhting.

RR wants the best athletes on O. Recruiting skill players on D is not his priority. It is no coincidence that WVU's D has gotten better since 2008.
No jokes about WVU's offense please.
I won't even bring up the whole Tony Gibson issue. Casteel was handcuffed under RR. Still can't believe Pacman somehow ended up at WVU during RR's tenure. I still think that was Pacman being Pacman and wanting to get pub for leaving ATL and GT (flip flop hat signing day scenario).

I was hoping you guys got JH for the schadenfreude of watching RR get fired and I could go back to never watching a UM game again. What are the chances RR gets one more year? Or better question, do you think Michigan fans will accept that as an option?
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I would be shocked (along with most of Michigan) if RR stayed. Most people realize what you've said. And it looks like we will know today...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/01/michigan-rich-rodriguez-future/1

Michigan will have a decision about the future of coach Rich Rodriguez on Tuesday. Rodriguez is set to meet with athletic director David Brandon this afternoon to talk about his job status, according to annarbor.com.

The website also is reporting that Wolverines players will learn of the decision at a 7 p.m. ET meeting.
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ToxicAdam said:
You must have missed the decade previous to his arrival where Illinois football was as much a joke as Indiana was (and still is).
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It's not like he has been much better, let alone consistent.
 
pxleyes said:
It's not like he has been much better, let alone consistent.
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Considering they actually get to bowl games and won their most recent one is a huge improvement over what they're used to.

It's all about expectations. Illinois doesn't expect to be in contention to win the conference every year.
 
Talon- said:
Considering they actually get to bowl games and won their most recent one is a huge improvement over what they're used to.

It's all about expectations. Illinois doesn't expect to be in contention to win the conference every year.
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I dunno, all my old coworkers were Illini fan and they weren't very happy. Winning the bowl game probably saved him I'd imagine.
 
pxleyes said:
Speaking of B1G coaches, how the hell does Zook still have a job? :lol

That stiff competition in the B1G has really put him on the hot seat... >_>
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Zook is a step up for Illinois. Who else are they going to get?
 
Meier said:
I dunno, all my old coworkers were Illini fan and they weren't very happy. Winning the bowl game probably saved him I'd imagine.
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This is their problem.

Illinois isn't like Georgia or really any SEC job with delusions of grandeur. Georgia fans are under the impression that they're some sort of national powerhouse when they have less national titles than Georgia Tech, and they'll always be 4th or 5th fiddle in that conference.
 
pxleyes said:
It's not like he has been much better, let alone consistent.
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I don't think you understand the gulf of disparity from where Illinois is and what Indiana has always been.

Not saying that is a reason to keep a job for life, but it's enough to buy you some more time than a typical job.
 
Alakablamo said:
So our DL coach (Bo Davis) went to Texas, and we instantaneously hire Chris Rumph from Clemson. It's like this was planned in advance or something.
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Good or meh?
 
Talon- said:
This is their problem.

Illinois isn't like Georgia or really any SEC job with delusions of grandeur. Georgia fans are under the impression that they're some sort of national powerhouse when they have less national titles than Georgia Tech, and they'll always be 4th or 5th fiddle in that conference.
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Georgia claims five national titles, Georgia Tech claims 4. With Georgia being in one of the best states in the country for recruits, huge football budget with massive surpluses, etc it's definitely in the top 10 for coaching jobs in the US. Up there with Penn State, Bama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc.

Still, Illinois is nowhere near as attractive to a head coach as Georgia given the types of recruits that one can get in the state of Georgia and southeast, versus the type of recruits you can get from Illinois and surrounding areas.
 
Lonestar said:
Good or meh?
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Clemson's DL has been pretty good, but they've had guys like Bowers, Sapp, etc, the last few years. Considering how fast this happened, I would say that Saban got the first guy on his list, so... good?
 
The Gator insider sites are saying that Muschamp is severely disappointed with player attitudes and plans to rectify that, starting Wednesday. He's disappointed especially after the seniors on offense refused to practice before the Outback Bowl unless the practice was toned down and the collection of nutjob divas that make up our recruiting class of 2010 (also tried to refuse to practice, demand playing time, etc). Supposedly several drug tests were failed and still covered up.

Kinda disappointing that Meyer became that soft. I remember the house cleaning when he got to Florida. Kicked several players off the team in the first meeting and instituted strict conduct rules. Seemed to work for a while. Even turned Harvin into a respectable citizen.
 
Alakablamo said:
Clemson's DL has been pretty good, but they've had guys like Bowers, Sapp, etc, the last few years. Considering how fast this happened, I would say that Saban got the first guy on his list, so... good?
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Read up some, he's been Clemson's recruiter on Clowney. That he's also just a good recruiter in general
 
andycapps said:
Georgia claims five national titles, Georgia Tech claims 4. With Georgia being in one of the best states in the country for recruits, huge football budget with massive surpluses, etc it's definitely in the top 10 for coaching jobs in the US. Up there with Penn State, Bama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc.

Still, Illinois is nowhere near as attractive to a head coach as Georgia given the types of recruits that one can get in the state of Georgia and southeast, versus the type of recruits you can get from Illinois and surrounding areas.
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Claim being the operative word.

GTech's attributed 6 and Georgia's attributed 5 by the Official NCAA Division I Football Records Book. Georgia's a good program, but they are NOT in the same category as Bama, Ohio State, Texas, and the such.
 
andycapps said:
Georgia claims five national titles, Georgia Tech claims 4. With Georgia being in one of the best states in the country for recruits, huge football budget with massive surpluses, etc it's definitely in the top 10 for coaching jobs in the US. Up there with Penn State, Bama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc.

Still, Illinois is nowhere near as attractive to a head coach as Georgia given the types of recruits that one can get in the state of Georgia and southeast, versus the type of recruits you can get from Illinois and surrounding areas.
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Georgia is definitely top ten, but has a much harder time with the rise of FSU and Florida in the past 20 years, plus resurgences at LSU and Tennessee. They can't just pull recruits out of Florida at will like they used to back in the day or always keep the best recruits in state. The fan base has tempered expectations though. Generally, they are happy to win the SEC and consider the BCS championship a goal but don't grouse every year if they don't make it.

Also, don't forget fan support. UGA has excellent fan support.
 
Lonestar said:
Read up some, he's been Clemson's recruiter on Clowney. That he's also just a good recruiter in general
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Yeah but we have had no shot at Clowney anyway. He's a great coach though. Disappointed to see him go.
 
Talon- said:
Claim being the operative word.

GTech's attributed 6 and Georgia's attributed 5 by the Official NCAA Division I Football Records Book. Georgia's a good program, but they are NOT in the same category as Bama, Ohio State, Texas, and the such.
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Regarding it not being in the same category, I suppose it depends on what you're talking about. If you're saying the same amount of national titles, then no. If you're saying that the school consistently gets top 10 recruiting classes, has good facilities, and a huge football budget then I think it's absolutely lumped in there with those other schools. Honestly, if Coach Richt is shown the door after 2011 season, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirby Smart came back home for a head coaching offer at his Alma Mater, even though he's next in line at Alabama.
 
andycapps said:
Regarding it not being in the same category, I suppose it depends on what you're talking about. If you're saying the same amount of national titles, then no. If you're saying that the school consistently gets top 10 recruiting classes, has good facilities, and a huge football budget then I think it's absolutely lumped in there with those other schools. Honestly, if Coach Richt is shown the door after 2011 season, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirby Smart came back home for a head coaching offer at his Alma Mater, even though he's next in line at Alabama.
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Oh, sure, Georgia pulls as many resources in terms of money, facilities, and fans as any program in the country. No doubt about that. I'm just saying in terms of national recognition and pull.

I'm just annoyed because Georgia fans my whole life have acted like they're the class of the conference when they can't get past Florida.

I don't understand the fascination with Kirby Smart, to be honest. He has, what, two years of experience under his belt? As a DC under a coach that's known to be as hands-on with the defensive gameplan as any coach in college. I know Richt has had issues with discipline and more inconsistent play in the last two seasons, but he's a damn good coach that's won a lot of games for your program. You don't move on unless you're sure that you'll improve.

Unfortunately, expectations (again, back to this) have gotten out of hand in the SEC. I'm admittedly one of those guys that feels Phil Fulmer got a raw deal.
 
I give us about as much of a chance to sign Clowney as we had with Lattimore, which is to say I will be shocked if we get him. Mom wants him to stay local.
 
Talon- said:
Oh, sure, Georgia pulls as many resources in terms of money, facilities, and fans as any program in the country. No doubt about that. I'm just saying in terms of national recognition and pull.

I'm just annoyed because Georgia fans my whole life have acted like they're the class of the conference when they can't get past Florida.

I don't understand the fascination with Kirby Smart, to be honest. He has, what, two years of experience under his belt? As a DC under a coach that's known to be as hands-on with the defensive gameplan as any coach in college. I know Richt has had issues with discipline and more inconsistent play in the last two seasons, but he's a damn good coach that's won a lot of games for your program. You don't move on unless you're sure that you'll improve.

Unfortunately, expectations (again, back to this) have gotten out of hand in the SEC. I'm admittedly one of those guys that feels Phil Fulmer got a raw deal.
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You know, you could have just said "Turn around that 3-18 and then we can talk," but sure, a long drawn out explanation will do as well.
 
LosDaddie said:
I thought Clowney was a lock for USCe. Is that not the word on the street?
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Clowney will definitely be a Cock. He's visiting us, LSU, Bama, etc. but it's just for fun. No chance he leaves South Carolina and I'd say Clemson has less of a chance than the others mentioned. They're a non-factor in his recruitment.
 
Talon- said:
This is their problem.

Illinois isn't like Georgia or really any SEC job with delusions of grandeur. Georgia fans are under the impression that they're some sort of national powerhouse when they have less national titles than Georgia Tech, and they'll always be 4th or 5th fiddle in that conference.
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They're the kind of school that fires a Fridge, thinks they're getting the Pirate and ends up with a Randy Edsall.

They did make a Rose Bowl under Zook, how many other B1G schools have made a Rose Bowl in that span?
 
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