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Triumph
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The character Triumph (real name: William MacIntyre, sometimes spelled William McIntyre) was portrayed as a hot-headed, arrogant, and self-righteous individual who felt he was "denied his destiny" to become one of Earth's greatest heroes. Via a retcon in a three part story running through Justice League America #92, Justice League Task Force #16, and Justice League International (Vol. 2) #68, he was revealed to have been the founding member of the Justice League, serving as their leader. On his first mission with the fledgling Justice League, Triumph seemingly "saved the world", but was teleported into a dimensional limbo that also affected the timestream, resulting in no one having any memory of him and his original peers now being veterans.

DC Comics fans initially disliked the character; Christopher Priest and editor Brian Augustyn decided to play to this by having the characters dislike him as well.

Charcoal The Burning Man.
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Charcoal was created to be a villain, by means of a Wizard magazine contest. However, Wizard Entertainment failed to establish certain legal specifics in the language of their contest rules, leaving the ownership of the character's copyright in question (Normally in such a situation, steps would be taken to ensure that, unless otherwise stated, such a character's copyright would legally belong to the comic's publisher). Furthermore, Wizard Entertainment reportedly failed to provide the contest winner with other prizes promised along with the winning character's appearance in a Marvel comic. Feeling undercompensated, Charcoal's creator attempted to legally claim the copyright for the character from Marvel. Meanwhile, writer Fabian Nicieza had decided to kill off Charcoal and resurrect him later on; because of the legal issues, Marvel told Nicieza it "wasn't worth" bringing the character back.[1][2]

Mystek
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While she accepted his offer, her tenure was brief. Soon after joining them, the team was on a mission to the planet Xanthcar, where another member of the JLTF was being put on trial. The cramped space-fairing pod proved to be too much for the extremely claustrophobic Mystek, and, after over two days of travel, she panicked, blasting her way into open space. She soon suffocated and died.

Mystek's sudden death was actually the result of behind the scenes workings. Created by Christopher Priest to be a creator-owned character starring in her own miniseries, Priest was told to put her in Justice League Task Force to generate hype for her in advance. When the plans for the miniseries fell through, Priest simply killed off the character

Monarch

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Armageddon 2001 is generally disliked by readers for what has been described as the dishonesty of its resolution. The frame story had been presented as a mystery - which superhero would go insane, kill all other heroes, and take over the world, and why? - and clues were provided. However, at some point during the crossover the future-culprit's identity was leaked. Captain Atom would be the one who became Monarch. The conclusion of the Annual for Justice League Europe, the final crossover issue before the conclusion of the story, seemed to confirm this leak. Waverider had seen the futures of various Justice League Europe members but had not scanned Captain Atom, who was away at the time. The final panel of the issue showed Waverider about to touch Captain Atom, who had just returned, and a text box stated that the story would be concluded in the second issue of Armageddon 2001.[5]

In response to the leak, the surprise ending was changed at the last minute: Monarch was revealed to be, not Captain Atom, but rather Hawk. The problem with this reveal as many fans pointed is that Waverider had seen Hank Hall fight and die against Monarch[6] and that Dove had allowed him to see so many futures as to conclude "No matter the future they fought him but never became him,[7] making Hank Hall and Dawn Granger the two heroes Monarch could not be. Ironically, they were the only characters shown in this situation, and thus any of the other major characters could have been Monarch without creating a continuity issue.[8]

This revelation was extremely unpopular among both fans and professionals, in part because of the logical flaw mentioned above and the disregard for the clues placed in previous issues. Additionally, it required Hawk to behave in ways that many felt to be out of character. This also made it impossible to continue using either Hawk or Dove as they had in the past and necessitated the cancellation of the Hawk & Dove series. Karl Kesel, the writer of Hawk & Dove, commented that "Hawk and Dove was always a love story. Then one day, Hawk went insane and murdered Dove".[9]

Many years later, the DC Comics editorial staff acknowledged that the ending as published was poorly executed and in the Battle for Blüdhaven (a spinoff miniseries from the larger Infinite Crisis event), retconned Monarch's origin and depicted Captain Atom's transformation into the villain.

A storyline in JSA would later reveal that the ending of Armageddon 2001 had been faked by Mordru. He had created an illusion of Dove being murdered by a future Hawk/Monarch in order to drive the current Hawk insane. He then took control of Hawk and used him to impregnate Dove so she would give birth to a child that would inherit all the powers of the Lords of Chaos and Order. Mordru cast a spell on Dove that kept her in a comatose state for years. She did give birth to a child but before Mordru could possess the child's body it was instead inhabited by a reincarnated Hector Hall who aged the body to adulthood and became the new Doctor Fate. Much later while searching for his wife Lyta, Hector would discover Dove and bring her out of Mordru's spell revealing the truth of these events. She would then discover that her sister had inherited the Hawk powers after the death of Hank Hall.

The X-Ternals.
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All of the Externals were originally portrayed as immortal and important, playing an extremely major role in the future and Apocalypse's rise to power (as expressed by Cable), but eventually most were killed off.

Rumor says that due to similarities with the Highlander films (with Christopher Lambert) and the following TV series, Marvel was in danger of being sued. That is why they so quickly killed the whole plot. The only Externals allowed to live on were Selene, Apocalypse and Cannonball; since then two of them have been retconned into not being Externals and all three were already well-defined characters before the Externals storyline and did not take part in the gatherings anyway.

Superboy
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They haven't come out and said it but they were going through some serious legal stuff over the Superman brand and they needed a big death for Final Crisis. So they killed two flamebirds with one stone. He got better though.


Honorable mention Wally West and his family.
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Damn you Johns, damn you to hell.


In short, if you are created by Priest you are fucked.
 
I always assume a character being killed or brought back is due to creator preferences. Sometimes it makes a great story; that's what matters.

The Superboy legal battle shouldn't have affected Infinite Crisis because Superboy-Prime was still running around. He became Superman-Prime for awhile, however.

Alexander Luthor killing Nightwing would've been more interesting.

I have a feeling Wally got erased because he had a family. His kids were kinda undefinable as far as powers go. Also, no one is allowed to have a family.
 
I always assume a character being killed or brought back is due to creator preferences. Sometimes it makes a great story; that's what matters.

The Superboy legal battle shouldn't have affected Infinite Crisis because Superboy-Prime was still running around. He became Superman-Prime for awhile, however.

Alexander Luthor killing Nightwing would've been more interesting.

I have a feeling Wally got erased because he had a family. His kids were kinda undefinable as far as powers go. Also, no one is allowed to have a family.

Sometimes year, sometimes they mandated by up high. You forgot they turned Superboy Prime into SuperMAN Prime that exempted him for some reason only lawyers can decipher. Wally just over shadowed Barry too much.
 
Sometimes year, sometimes they mandated by up high. You forgot they turned Superboy Prime into SuperMAN Prime that exempted him for some reason only lawyers can decipher. Wally just over shadowed Barry too much.
Yup I acknowledged Countdown Prime in the last post. :P I don't remember if they used his correct title between IC and Sinestro Corps War, but that's what I was getting at. The same battle caused Superboy's original run to get cancelled years earlier and Smallville to avoid any Superboy references.

Superman himself died so DC could have comic and TV Lois and Clarks get married at the same time.

Superior Spider-Man is an interesting concept but I have a growing suspicion that Marvel is consciously trashing Peter Parker's brand to devalue his movie rights. /paranoia
 
I thought the big Infinite Crisis death was supposed to be Dick but it was changed to Superboy because too many DC creators balked at the idea and Didio backed down. And goddamn do I miss Wally.
 
How about Richard Ryder as Nova? Killed off so that talentless hack Jeph Loeb could make a character to act as a surrogate for his dead son.

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But we did get the awesome MC2
Yeah, but it's still a dick move to the 616 Parkers. Didn't the baby just "disappear" under the guise of having died? Not finding out what happened to it is almost worse than death.

Eventually they finished the job and Peter sold his marriage to the devil.

However, I suppose [while ignoring his relationships] Spidey remained as good as ever.
 
Yeah, but it's still a dick move to the 616 Parkers. Didn't the baby just "disappear" under the guise of having died? Not finding out what happened to it is almost worse than death.

Eventually they finished the job and Peter sold his marriage to the devil.

Goblin had her kidnapped or something.
 
Goblin had her kidnapped or something.

They actually teased that the baby was alive because they showed Mongraine (the lady Norman had do the deed of "killing" the baby) on a boat talking baby talk to something off screen. I think the boat blew up a page later, though.


Actually, while we're on the subject of that storyline, Ben Reilly basically died due to behind the scenes shit. The original plan was for him to live (albeit with the saga ending with Peter getting zapped to the past and deaged/mindwiped and reintroduced into the world as...Ben Reilly).
 
Professor X also comes to mind. I mean the writers had assassinated his character before Cyke put a bolt through his brain, but still.
 
They actually teased that the baby was alive because they showed Mongraine (the lady Norman had do the deed of "killing" the baby) on a boat talking baby talk to something off screen. I think the boat blew up a page later, though.


Actually, while we're on the subject of that storyline, Ben Reilly basically died due to behind the scenes shit. The original plan was for him to live (albeit with the saga ending with Peter getting zapped to the past and deaged/mindwiped and reintroduced into the world as...Ben Reilly).

Whatever. Kaine was a better Ben Reilly than Ben ever was.
 
Comic history is interesting but it isn't pretty. There's a lot of bad blood and the road is littered with unhappy creators.
 
Yup I acknowledged Countdown Prime in the last post. :P I don't remember if they used his correct title between IC and Sinestro Corps War, but that's what I was getting at. The same battle caused Superboy's original run to get cancelled years earlier and Smallville to avoid any Superboy references.

Superman himself died so DC could have comic and TV Lois and Clarks get married at the same time.

Superior Spider-Man is an interesting concept but I have a growing suspicion that Marvel is consciously trashing Peter Parker's brand to devalue his movie rights. /paranoia

but Superior Spider-Man actually has good stories.

wow, Triumph sounds fucking horrible. did they really retcon him into being the founder and leader of the Justice League?

the story is actually a bit better than what it sounds. it doesn't matter as Grant Morrison made him a drunk that sold his soul to Neron and had him turned to ice by the spectre.

Yes, and even Martain Manhunter hates him. DO you know how big of an asshole you have to be to have MM shit on you?

J'onn did later on help train him....
but can you show any examples of that happening? I miss Justice league task force.
 
So I just read that Bart Allen getting killed was an editorial decision. Maybe they didn't like him turning into an adult after Infinite Crisis and wanted to reset him.

I really hope it doesn't happen in
Forever Evil.
He's my favorite member of the Batfamily and is, was, and will forever be the best Robin.
I only brought it up because Luthor had the opportunity to have one last shock in IC. Dick just happened to survive.
 
How about Richard Ryder as Nova? Killed off so that talentless hack Jeph Loeb could make a character to act as a surrogate for his dead son.

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well i dunno that he was killed off for that purpose, but Loeb did come in and co op the awesomeness that was Nova and tried to copy+paste it to the new Nova. But we all want Ryder back, especially after Quill got to come back.
 
well i dunno that he was killed off for that purpose, but Loeb did come in and co op the awesomeness that was Nova and tried to copy+paste it to the new Nova. But we all want Ryder back, especially after Quill got to come back.

i wouldnt mind new nova if he was a member of the corps under rider. but hes here, everyone that was in the cancerverse is here, but rich isnt. and no explanation why
 
So I just read that Bart Allen getting killed was an editorial decision. Maybe they didn't like him turning into an adult after Infinite Crisis and wanted to reset him.

I'm probably the only dude to ever say this but I was psyched when they made Bart the Flash. I was totally ready for him to be "my" Flash. When it became obvious that they were pulling away from that I was bummed as hell even if his book's creative was sorely lacking.
 
Let's see


Bart
Superboy
Wally West
Kyle Raynor (except they brought him back cause he's awesome, as should superboy and wally come back)


All of flash's kids, who had some good characters built


Dr. Fate (you know the people they keep killing who wear the helmet, even though one of the powers is "invincible")


Aquaman's dignity


who is still alive in DC? (I honestly don't know) like is allen scott, Jay Garrick, lobo?
 
DC editorial (by that I mean, Geoff Johns) should be hanged for what they've done to the original Young Justice ;_; Tim, Kon and Bart (along with Cassie, Cissie and Secret) made the greatest team ever.
 
DC editorial (by that I mean, Geoff Johns) should be hanged for what they've done to the original Young Justice ;_; Tim, Kon and Bart (along with Cassie, Cissie and Secret) made the greatest team ever.

the original yj was either seriously different or completely forgotten (in empress', arrowette, lagoon boy lil lobo/slobo and secrets case) after graduation day. DC is not a kind place for teen heroes
 
I'm probably the only dude to ever say this but I was psyched when they made Bart the Flash. I was totally ready for him to be "my" Flash. When it became obvious that they were pulling away from that I was bummed as hell even if his book's creative was sorely lacking.
Yeah I thought it would happen given how much Bart's ending in IC mirrored Wally West in CoIE.

It seems DC probably doesn't want anyone but Barry Allen be the Flash now. It's so weird because Barry and Hal Jordan were two symbols of a generational leap in DC, and now they're the holdovers from previous eras.

As someone who can't imagine Clark Kent retiring from Superman, I don't know how much I'm allowed to complain. :P

Bruce is human though, so retirement is a valid concept for him. Dick can be Batman, Kyle can be the senior GL, Wally the senior Flash, etc. Maybe some of these guys get older and move onto Justice Society and the Titans become Leaguers.

But back to the backroom stuff, DC is immersing its IPs in movies now. We should expect more 'iconic' characters overshadowing legacy characters for the next decade at least.
 
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Is Black Condor still around? This character has been around since the 40's I think, and killed off quite a few times.
 
Yeah I thought it would happen given how much Bart's ending in IC mirrored Wally West in CoIE.

It seems DC probably doesn't want anyone but Barry Allen be the Flash now. It's so weird because Barry and Hal Jordan were two symbols of a generational leap in DC, and now they're the holdovers from previous eras.

As someone who can't imagine Clark Kent retiring from Superman, I don't know how much I'm allowed to complain. :P

Bruce is human though, so retirement is a valid concept for him. Dick can be Batman, Kyle can be the senior GL, Wally the senior Flash, etc. Maybe some of these guys get older and move onto Justice Society and the Titans become Leaguers.


Its funny they tried to choose Hal Jordan as the new "only GL" considering when the movie green lantern came out everyone thought Jon was the GL. LOL. Jon does beat Hal though, so I can understand.
 
the original yj was either seriously different or completely forgotten (in empress', arrowette, lagoon boy lil lobo/slobo and secrets case) after graduation day. DC is not a kind place for teen heroes

I freakin' loved that group ;_; I even followed what was left of them through Geoff Johns' hatchet job in Teen Titans but the ridiculous amount of turnover and Bart's death forced me to just focus on Red Robin and even that ruined what had been a great thing going with the interactions with Spoiler/Batgirl by getting involved in the nu52. In short, I hate Geoff Johns and Jim Lee and whoever else is empowering them.
 
Its funny they tried to choose Hal Jordan as the new "only GL" considering when the movie green lantern came out everyone thought Jon was the GL. LOL. Jon does beat Hal though, so I can understand.

Which goes to show that the constant undoing of continuity to undo the graduation of legacy characters has more to do with the whims of over the hill fanboy creators than it does corporate interests maintaining a sellable icon. Kids don't give a shit what the name of the guy in the costume is on their underwear. Wally was the Flash for longer than Barry for fuck's sake.
 
Yeah I thought it would happen given how much Bart's ending in IC mirrored Wally West in CoIE.

It seems DC probably doesn't want anyone but Barry Allen be the Flash now. It's so weird because Barry and Hal Jordan were two symbols of a generational leap in DC, and now they're the holdovers from previous eras.

As someone who can't imagine Clark Kent retiring from Superman, I don't know how much I'm allowed to complain. :P

Bruce is human though, so retirement is a valid concept for him. Dick can be Batman, Kyle can be the senior GL, Wally the senior Flash, etc. Maybe some of these guys get older and move onto Justice Society and the Titans become Leaguers.

But back to the backroom stuff, DC is immersing its IPs in movies now. We should expect more 'iconic' characters overshadowing legacy characters for the next decade at least
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Half the time they don't seem to know what counts as iconic though. Half the people who had heard of green lantern before the movie were surprised that they saw a white guy and not jon stewart in the trailers.
 
^ thats cause Jon Stewart is fucking amazing



o, them killing Hawkgirl/woman off for good made they lose a lot of the female audience.
 
I don't know what you guys are talking about. John Stewart?

Superman the Animated Series promised me Kyle Rayner. PROMISED ME.
;P
 
Since we're on the subject of how much we all agree that we hate Geoff Johns, the butchering he did to Kyle Rayner's character should not be forgotten. The true GL/Flash combo is Kyle/Wally goddamit.
 
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