It's already a public knowledge in Japan. Yodobashi Camera is a scalper magnet and their purchasing policy and sales timing have benefiting scalpers so far rather than the actual customers.
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Complete Chaos At Tokyo Retailer Over PS5 Sales
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Airbus Jr
Banned
You keep repeating the same statement over and over again
Not trying to be rude but are you mentally handicapped?
Those are traits of autism (habit of repeating the same thing over and over again)
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The Chairman
Member
I feel bad for your school teachers, they repeat the lesson 40 times so you can understand and secretly you laugh at them because you think they have autism.
Autism = believing in artificial hype by resellers and scalpers for demand level instead of looking at the sales data of hardware, software, shipment size, and industry climate.
Majukun
Member
attach rate can't grow if most consoles are bough by scalpers.
also the switch was sold at a much lower price, which leaves more money to buy games with the console..let alone if you end up having to pay a ps5 extra because of scalpers prices.
you call ps5 demand fake, but if it was, scalpers wouldn't be buying those consoles in the first place...at this point they would have stopped scraping the market if they were not able to place them.
People would rather believe in a captured video at one store instead of hard factual data from nation wide sales tracker.
Airbus Jr
Banned
This is like the 4th time you insist that those people are scalpers instead of actual gamer
Like i said you have no prove to claim those people are scalpers
Hint for you scalpers dont operate like that ( rushing to stores like a madman)
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TheDrunkenMerchant
Member
Holy shit. Everybody needs to just wait. They're probably going to come out with a newer, better model by the time there are actual exclusives to play on the damn thing.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Thats not the right analogy not even close buddy
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Aenima
Member
If scalpers are able to sell PS5's for double the price with "fake demand" how much would they be able to sell a PS5 if there was "real demand"?
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Scalpers bought it because the shipment size for PS5 in Japan is the worst for PS console history.
I don't know why some of you still unable comprehend this thing.
They wanted to make a quick buck from hardcore PS users that unable to buy the system.
Kaito Rudeya is one of example of a big reseller that pay homeless people to line up and flooding the store to buy the PS5
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Much better than in USA, even civilized.
Did not break stuff or throw other stuff on the ground. Culture!
Did not break stuff or throw other stuff on the ground. Culture!
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Majukun
Member
none are really indciation of anything at the moment.
the video shows the sittuation in one single store that was assaulted because of selling conditions being apparently more favorable..even if all those people in the video bought a ps5, it would still be a drop in the ocean in the entire japanese market.
same thing can be said about looking exclusively to sales numbers when one hardware has pretty severe distribution issues apparently...it's like judging how fast is a ferrari by looking it going around in the city center instead of bring it in a place where you can make use of that horsepower.
Facepalm, are you stupid or what?
Scalpers paid those people to line up for them especially for a guerilla sales without lottery system like this.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Jesus now youre getting even more ridiculous
Majukun
Member
a good amount of time has passed since the launch though.
initial idea might be the one you describe, but at this point if they weren't able to actually sell the consoles they scraped, they would be comitting financial suicide.
it's true that scalping means that you have to keep taking away consoles from the official channels (because otherwise people would just buy it at street price), but that is only sustainable for a while before you actually need to start gaining money instead of just spending it
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Can we all just finally admit that this has probably been the most disastrous console launch ever in recent memory? I mean the console is in demand and successful of course, but everything else has been chaotic.
Scalpers, severely underestimating demand, drastic supply limitations(on purpose??), bots, shipping companies stealing consoles, employees stealing and hiding consoles, fights and chaos in stores, playing the lottery online with crashing websites where 100,000 people are trying to buy 20 consoles. Surely, COVID played a part in this as well, but I didn't expect it to ever get this bad.
Scalpers, severely underestimating demand, drastic supply limitations(on purpose??), bots, shipping companies stealing consoles, employees stealing and hiding consoles, fights and chaos in stores, playing the lottery online with crashing websites where 100,000 people are trying to buy 20 consoles. Surely, COVID played a part in this as well, but I didn't expect it to ever get this bad.
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We have nearly 11 weeks worth of data about PS5 software and hardware situation in Japan.
After week 47, not a single PS5 game managed to chart on top 30 best selling games which is abysmal since the bottom level was only around 2K unit of copies.
This is the first time ever a system was launched with abysmal attach ratio.
reinking
Gold Member
So, is your argument against demand is that scalpers are buying all of the consoles? Seems kind of like an argument for demand. Wouldn't that also lower the attach rate? I am not sure how you are spinning this as a negative for the PS5. If anything, it leads more to the argument that PS5 supply is what is keeping sales of both consoles and attached software down.
Is that what you are arguing? I will admit I sort of scanned past most of your posts because you seem to be on a troll.
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Jesus now youre getting even more ridiculous
An example of a scalper group.
LittleBusters
Banned
Feb 3 - Sony earnings announced. We'll get the PS5 sales.
Scalpers and resellers bought the system without any game thus lowering the attach ratio of the system. It's a self explanatory at this point.
The actual customers are certainly going to buy a few of games after purchasing the system. The situation of current software of PS5 is abysmal in Japan because not even a single PS5 game sold more than 2K weekly indicating the hardware sold were actually bought by scalpers and resellers.
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reinking
Gold Member
Okay. Yes, I agree that could be the cause of lower attach rate. I still view it as a good thing for Sony's future since there is high demand for the console and eventually it will lead to more software sales.
Another thing to note when comparing physical copies sold during launch in UK vs Japan.
UK PS5 physical sales attach ratio is higher than Japan despite being more digitally oriented market.
UK PS5 software sales in 2 weeks
Spiderman MM PS5 = ~86K
Assassin's creed PS5 = ~38K
COD PS5 = ~22K
Demon's Souls Remake = ~25K
Sackboy =~ 11K
~70% attach ratio
Japan PS5 software sales in 2 weeks
Spiderman MM PS5 = ~21K
Assassin's creed PS5 = ~5K
COD PS5 = ~7K
Demon's Souls Remake = ~21K
Sackboy = ~1K
~38% attach ratio
UK PS5 physical sales attach ratio is higher than Japan despite being more digitally oriented market.
UK PS5 software sales in 2 weeks
Spiderman MM PS5 = ~86K
Assassin's creed PS5 = ~38K
COD PS5 = ~22K
Demon's Souls Remake = ~25K
Sackboy =~ 11K
~70% attach ratio
Japan PS5 software sales in 2 weeks
Spiderman MM PS5 = ~21K
Assassin's creed PS5 = ~5K
COD PS5 = ~7K
Demon's Souls Remake = ~21K
Sackboy = ~1K
~38% attach ratio
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iconmaster
Banned
Crowds trampling each other to get the system = larger install base = more games for the system.
You always want crowd trampling if you can get it.
Hudo
Gold Member
Ok, that I understand. But does it matter which system "wins"? That's the heart of my question, I guess. Does it really matter whether it's PlayStation, Nintendo or Xbox? I just don't get this "loyalty" some adults have. For teenagers, I can understand that mindset, I was also one once. But for grown people?
If even Japanese people are going crazy it's clearly a sign of a consistent pent up demand because of shortages.
Last week there was an increase in PS5 japanese shipments, let's see if Sony is able to send more consoles regularly and ramp up the numbers.
They might say something about how production is going pretty soon during their fiscal results report next wednesday.
Last week there was an increase in PS5 japanese shipments, let's see if Sony is able to send more consoles regularly and ramp up the numbers.
They might say something about how production is going pretty soon during their fiscal results report next wednesday.
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kittoo
Cretinously credulous
I've been lucky to be able to visit Japan a few times.
Tokyo metropolitan area is 37million. Every nook and cranny in downtown feels crowded.
You can imagine if just even 0.1% of that population wanted that 300 PS5 ticket that day.
Feel bad for the workers that day
Given that Japan's total population is not that much (and falling), and seeing just how much population the cities hold (Tokyo, Kyoto etc), it must mean that Japanese countryside must be pretty deserted, no?
MightySquirrel
Banned
But I've seen multiple threads here saying that sony is dead in japan.
graywolf323
Member
Tokyo city proper might not have that population but
Zeeed
is not wrong about the metropolitan area's population, also Japan's total population is around 125 millionStatistics Bureau Home Page/Population Estimates Monthly Report
Population estimates offer the population of Japan as of the first day of each month by 5-year age group and sex.
www.stat.go.jp
Kamina
Golden Boy
He is comparing software sales of PS5 to Switch.
And while the conclusion that many of the current PS5 owners are scalpers is correct, the follow-up conclusion that all the people in the store must also all be scalpers is bullcrap. Surely there are some amongst them, but Japanese hardcore gamers also want the console.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Well that's not social distancing.
Captain Toad
Banned
He's trolling. Report him and move on like his title suggests.
Zeeed
Member
Japan is a very interesting country. It might be one of the first country that we can look at for research on what happens to an aging population of baby boomers and a trend of young people not having kids or waiting until late into their career to have kids. It might be a good place to look at all the advance AI, robots, and cybernetics that will all benefit the care of the elderly.
My anecdotal experience is seeing a 75-80 year old man who must have had really bad arthritis and back pain shuffling hunched over to a construction site with his hard hat on in Tokyo. I didn't know rather to feel sad or awed. Hopefully he was hired just to direct traffic.
Some country side towns are doing what some Italian/Spanish villages are doing and offering that $1 house/land scheme to try and attract people back to near abandons towns. I might take a look into that when I retire for a second home in my favorite place to visit
One of my favorite city is not Tokyo, but Hiroshima. It was 25 Celsius when I was there in November. And Okinawa climate is like Hawaii. If you want snow, you go up north. And I will end this subject with what I call the concrete jungle. Not all Japan is like this. There is much beauty in Japan. Just sometimes, the crowded city can get to you. Only other place I felt as claustrophobic with so many wall to wall people around me was New York City.
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Flutta
Banned
I never said most, its is just one factor of many that you abviously ignoring. Also whats wrong with wanting to play HZD at 4K/60fps? Thats just one game thats been ported to PC
I mean dont act like Switch library isnt made of 70% ports. I mean you kids were forced to buy BoTw, Mario Kart, Donkey kong etc at full price twice
polybius80
Member
can you show the numbers you are using?
PS5 Japan sales at 2nd week were 200k while UK sold 150k just the first day(I dont know how many PS5 were in UK at second week), also the attach rate should be per game as different markets have different tastes and you are trying to establish attach rate per region, for example Demon Souls Remake selling close to UK in the second week indicates a massive attach rate for that game as japan only had 200k PS5 in that week compared to UK where there were far more PS5 consoles that week
also its difficult to establish overall attach rate with that list as you are using only a fraction of games available for the system without taking into account japan preferences, remember that PS4 games also run on PS5 and a japan consumer will not necesarily going to buy assasins creed or COD over a gundam Ps4 games with PS5 enhancements or another interesting compatible game
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
looks like the censorship of weeb games and western focus had little to no effect. lol
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I've been lucky to be able to visit Japan a few times.
Tokyo metropolitan area is 37million. Every nook and cranny in downtown feels crowded.
You can imagine if just even 0.1% of that population wanted that 300 PS5 ticket that day.
Feel bad for the workers that day
Ah, the kanto plain.
The power to grow food has much say in what's essentially a bunch of mountains surrounded by water...
Silent Viper
Banned
There are still PS fans there who still care about Console gaming but its also true that demand of console has gone down compared to past. PS sales has gone down compared to what it used to be. Switch and Mobile gaming way more popular now.Bubu..bu but some people here told me that Japan hates Sony and the PS5!!!
danielJackson
Banned
Homelessness in Japan - Wikipedia
By this there are ~4000 homeless person in the whole Japan.
Did this dude hire them all or what?
Only developed country I know that have large scale homeless people issues is USA, so maybe you made this claim up assuming other places have the same issues?
Like on most places I know being homeless is a choice, because everybody gets free living + money for food and so on by social security. (Except US it seems)
Aka they really arent homeless hobos.
And PS5 already managed to do what switch NEVER did = sold out globally, switch sold out only in some places but not in every country
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PuppetMaster
Member
The thirst is real.
for Japan, I don't think that is an unreasonable conclusion for the Xbox, Ps5 has stock issues, particularly in Japan, but without them, it seems to be in line with the ps4 for most of the world which apparently is some sort of doom prediction to some of sony's fanboys. For Japan, reading the ps5 for demand is difficult because of how incredibly poor the supply is. Do half a million people want one? 2 million?3?5?10?20? With only 300k delivered that's grossly underdelivering even for half a million people wanting one.
A far small group being rowdy doesn't really mean much.
fun fact, most European countries and Canada have more of a homeless problem than the US(Uk, Canada and Germany have far higher homelessness, France has substantially) , they're just better at ignoring it/coming up with excuses like you(voluntary, yeah sure, with the cost of housing in London) are.Homelessness in Japan - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
By this there are ~4000 homeless person in the whole Japan.
Did this dude hire them all or what?
Only developed country I know that have large scale homeless people issues is USA, so maybe you made this claim up assuming other places have the same issues?
Like on most places I know being homeless is a choice, because everybody gets free living + money for food and so on by social security. (Except US it seems)
Aka they really arent homeless hobos.
And PS5 already managed to do what switch NEVER did = sold out globally, switch sold out only in some places but not in every country
anyway
As far as scalping, I don't know how reselling goes in Japan, but in the US it is probably somewhere between 10 (disproportionately sold through eBay) and 30 percent (amazon, Facebook, and other selling platforms are proportional to eBay) passed through scalpers before being sold to the actual end-user. (people that are willing to pay a premium and those willing to stand in line seem similar in terms of how high on the demand pyramid they are, I see people willing to put up with crowds like that or pay a substantial premium 2 sides of the same coin)
Maybe a user from Japan has more insight on how much ps5 reselling is going on, but the Chinese grey market is definitely a thing, but I don't know how large it is.
one other thing, scalping doesn't change how many get into the hands of actual users, every scalped ps5 still gets to a real user, just it annoys a portion of the customer base that can't get one.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
How is this "utter chaos" in any way?
Are people really that fucking sheltered and fragile that THIS is chaos? This looks like a bunch of bored ass people waiting to buy a PS5 in a crowded store.
There's no weapons, screaming women, punches being thrown, weapons being brandished, not even someone falling down.
If you consider this chaotic or disturbing, the real world is gonna chew you up and spit you out.
Are people really that fucking sheltered and fragile that THIS is chaos? This looks like a bunch of bored ass people waiting to buy a PS5 in a crowded store.
There's no weapons, screaming women, punches being thrown, weapons being brandished, not even someone falling down.
If you consider this chaotic or disturbing, the real world is gonna chew you up and spit you out.
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ranmafan
Member
Oh this is easily what people would considered to be chaos in Japan in at least buying way for sure. I've rarely seen people act like this here in Japan for anything. For example Ten years ago when the earthquake hit and people were stuck in the middle of Tokyo without trains running everyone was calm and waited in line peacefully for hours on end even with all the real chaos of nature hitting the country and so much fear worrying everyone. And when there's sales where you have to line up it's always orderly here. Reading the info from the Kotaku article and seeing the videos, chaos is a good word, or even better a clusterfuck. Also the Yodobashi akiba store is always crowded, but nothing like that for sure!