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[joesiv]

For a game that completely takes advantage of all of the performance the Switch can potentially do including F16 calculations the Switch can punch at about 715 AMD GCN Gflops. Even with 0 Fp16 usage the Switch can punch at around 550 AMD GCN flops.

lol i didn't know nvidia could pump out ANY GCN flops...

 

[EDarkness]

My sister saw me playing BOTW after seeing me play Horizon and said pretty much the same thing, so the average person can definitely spot the difference.

I think it's an art style thing more than what you're describing. What they decided on as far as the art style can be jarring to folks. If they had went with a Twilight Princess style over this, I think it would have gone over better with them. To be honest, I don't like the art style that much, myself. However, like the Wind Waker, I accept that this is the vision they had for the game, even though they could have come up with one better. They really do like this "cartoony" style for Zelda for some reason.

Still, from an anecdotal standpoint, my wife was the opposite. The thought Horizon didn't look all that much different than stuff out there already, but was really drawn in by Breath of the Wild. Just because something works for one person, doesn't mean it'll work for someone else. Best to enjoy the games and not worry about this stuff. When I stopped doing that, I enjoyed games a lot more.

 

[MisterR]

I question whether the average consumer can even recognize that Zelda BOTW is a step down from PS4/X1 in the graphics department.

Obviously more power is always better, but I think the Switch has enough power to do what Nintendo wants it to do and the average consumer doesn't realize it's well below PS4/X1.

Average consumer doesn't equal blind.

 

[Schnozberry]

My wife isn't a gamer and not interested one bit. In fact she avoids it like the plague. When she saw me playing Zelda botw, the first thing she said was "why are you playing this ugly game?". I asked her later why she thought so, and even told her it looks like something else she's familiar with and a fan of, Naruto. Her response was, "Naruto looks much clearer than this, you can see their faces, the picture looks better and very smooth. This one is blurry with blocky stuff and stutters". She obviously means lower resolution, no aa and bad framerate. I couldn't argue. Told her she's right but I still enjoy it. Obviously I wish it could look better at least consistent 1080p30 with aa.

But my point is, she's not even a gamer, let alone average gamer and she quickly noticed the "ugly" gfx.

My wife thinks Link is hot. YMMV

 

[AzaK]

Nintendo want it to be both. Is the concept of hybrid machine so alient to you or some people here so u cannot comprehent or something? Hybrid means u will get better than normal handheld machine and less powerful than normal console. It is so obvious in the spec. Ur logic is weird saying Nintendo is scare to replace 3DS when they release 3DS to replace DS and release DS to replace gameboy. Why would they scare to release next iteration of their machien? It is like saying Sony scare to replace PS4 with PS5 or something.

Nintendo never market this as a console in the first place. They market it as a hybrid since the first trailer. A machine that u can play in portable and console mode. What the hell r u smoking. And why do u say they try to make WiiU owner comfort by saying this is a console machine? That will actually cause the opposite, nobody feel comfort knowing that there machine will get replace after 2 years.

Im totally lost here.

With the DS they sold it as a third pillar alongside Gameboy...then DS took off and gameboy got the boot.

If Switch doesn't do super well, they'll keep 3DS going and going as long as they can. If Switch takes off, 3DS will be buried, fast. Nintendo seem very noncommittal which is to be expected given all the trouble they have had the last 4-5 years

 

[AzaK]

I did, I don't have it though.

The game is awesome, the scope is insane, I agree with that.

What I'm saying is: just like Hyrule Castle Town in OoT or TP, it is probably far from what the developers would be able and would want to achieve with more powerful hardware.

More powerful hardware isn't in itself what people like me want from Nintendo, it's what Nintendo will do with it that's exciting, and that excitement has been crushed by Nintendo's hardware politic these past few generations of selling underpowered but gimmicky hardware.

I'm sick of getting the gimmicks at the expense of capable hardware. The Switch's portability is the only reason why, at this price point, it isn't more, or at least as powerful as the X1/PS4.
This is such a shame to me, Nintendo's handheld consoles are awesome at delivering great experiences on the go, the DS/3DS consoles. Why can't they focus on a true home console system for the successor of their true home console system ?

Agreed, I would probably take Switch out of the dock once, and that would be to check for scratches.

They won't focus on true home console for a few reasons.

They want to make as much profit as possible and so they go for cost friendly (to them) hardware.

They can sell mediocre hardware to unsophisticated consumers who will go for novelty gimmicks over raw power.

They can't get big third parties to make games for their systems and hence those "power" gamers won't even bother.

When I saw that Switch presentation I gave up on them (and Sony) and went and got a gaming PC. I'll borrow something for the few Nintendo games I want and I can play Zelda on Wii U

 

[Leatherface]

I think this Zelda looks fantastic on my TV. It is a 46" 1080P set that scales extremely well though. I wonder if some of the visual gripes people are complaining about are, at least in part, due to poor scaling?

 

[Alex]

My wife isn't a gamer and not interested one bit. In fact she avoids it like the plague. When she saw me playing Zelda botw, the first thing she said was "why are you playing this ugly game?". I asked her later why she thought so, and even told her it looks like something else she's familiar with and a fan of, Naruto. Her response was, "Naruto looks much clearer than this, you can see their faces, the picture looks better and very smooth. This one is blurry with blocky stuff and stutters". She obviously means lower resolution, no aa and bad framerate. I couldn't argue. Told her she's right but I still enjoy it. Obviously I wish it could look better at least consistent 1080p30 with aa.

But my point is, she's not even a gamer, let alone average gamer and she quickly noticed the "ugly" gfx.

Best PS4 game this year is 900p with so-so visuals and shit for anti aliasing.

You aren't playing anything on a console if you're that level of visual tart.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Why do consoles exist? All these poor first party studios stuck making games for hardware that's out of date before they even launch.

 

[antonz]

lol i didn't know nvidia could pump out ANY GCN flops...

The Point is Maxwell Gen 2 achieves greater performance flop for flop compared to AMD GCN

 

[lutheran]

I don't get what the problem is.

This is fine for a handheld (which this totally is). I've said from day 1 it's a handheld regardless of what Nintendo PR says. Of course they had to say it's a home console because they don't want to alienate any portion of the market.

Just because you can display it on a TV and use a controller doesn't make it a home console just like my PSPgo wasn't a home console. The only difference is Switch made it slightly easier to display the image on a TV.

It is also a home console, I have been playing many hours on my TV. You guys never played XBLA or PSN games on your TV. You know, games with weird art that was still HD but didn't look like Call of Duty or Horizon. Some of my most favorite games on XB1 or PS4 are not graphic power houses. Did you ever play your PS3 or 360 on your TV? Of course you did, well the Switch is much more powerful than either of them.

 

[ckaneo]

My wife isn't a gamer and not interested one bit. In fact she avoids it like the plague. When she saw me playing Zelda botw, the first thing she said was "why are you playing this ugly game?". I asked her later why she thought so, and even told her it looks like something else she's familiar with and a fan of, Naruto. Her response was, "Naruto looks much clearer than this, you can see their faces, the picture looks better and very smooth. This one is blurry with blocky stuff and stutters". She obviously means lower resolution, no aa and bad framerate. I couldn't argue. Told her she's right but I still enjoy it. Obviously I wish it could look better at least consistent 1080p30 with aa.

But my point is, she's not even a gamer, let alone average gamer and she quickly noticed the "ugly" gfx.

I don't believe this story at all lol

 

[Kudo]

My wife isn't a gamer and not interested one bit. In fact she avoids it like the plague. When she saw me playing Zelda botw, the first thing she said was "why are you playing this ugly game?". I asked her later why she thought so, and even told her it looks like something else she's familiar with and a fan of, Naruto. Her response was, "Naruto looks much clearer than this, you can see their faces, the picture looks better and very smooth. This one is blurry with blocky stuff and stutters". She obviously means lower resolution, no aa and bad framerate. I couldn't argue. Told her she's right but I still enjoy it. Obviously I wish it could look better at least consistent 1080p30 with aa.

But my point is, she's not even a gamer, let alone average gamer and she quickly noticed the "ugly" gfx.

My sister saw me playing BOTW after seeing me play Horizon and said pretty much the same thing, so the average person can definitely spot the difference.

I've had the exact opposite experience, when I play on my PS4 Pro/PC nobody bats an eye, but when I started playing Zelda immediately the game got applaud for its graphics and mostly how peaceful it looked compared to other games.
🤷

 

[sfried]

I have a Samsung KU6290 40" which is 4k ready and with properly callibrated settings (Full RGB, no crushed blacks). Zelda looks superb even when up 3 feet up close, and FAST RMX even moreso.

So it's a TEGRA X1. So what? We already kinda knew that. It's not a custom chip? Even more impressive given how its manage to handle such a massive game world even when using small subtle effects like screen-space reflections. With proper optimization, games should run better on the device over time.

I don't get why people like Manoko are trying to port-beg games like Zelda "being on more powerful hardware". All of the comments seem like thinly veiled "I wish I could play this on a PS4 Pro" which should be a bannable offence.

If you want to see how Zelda runs on more powerful hardware, there are always the CEMU emulation threads.

 

[Seik]

Agreed, I would probably take Switch out of the dock once, and that would be to check for scratches.

They won't focus on true home console for a few reasons.

They want to make as much profit as possible and so they go for cost friendly (to them) hardware.

They can sell mediocre hardware to unsophisticated consumers who will go for novelty gimmicks over raw power.

They can't get big third parties to make games for their systems and hence those "power" gamers won't even bother.

When I saw that Switch presentation I gave up on them (and Sony) and went and got a gaming PC. I'll borrow something for the few Nintendo games I want and I can play Zelda on Wii U

Damn, I mean, mediocre hardware? This is the most powerful portable console I've played so far. Design is some of the most 'modern' Nintendo did, I hold it and it feels like a nice piece of tech compared to let's say the Gamepad.

Unsophisticated gamers who go for novelty gimmicks, come on, for once I feel like the Switch has no gimmicks that actually pisses me off, this time it's like HD rumble which is simply rumble so sure why not. It's not a trade-off like the wiimote or the gamepad that looks horrible and disconnects when you leave the room. People who buy Nintendo hardware are looking for good games, not gimmicks, specifically.

 

[Doctre81]

I think this Zelda looks fantastic on my TV. It is a 46" 1080P set that scales extremely well though. I wonder if some of the visual gripes people are complaining about are, at least in part, due to poor scaling?

That and people not calibrating their tv's correctly.

 

[joesiv]

The Point is Maxwell Gen 2 achieves greater performance flop for flop compared to AMD GCN

in windows...

 

[TLZ]

Best PS4 game this year is 900p with so-so visuals and shit for anti aliasing.

You aren't playing anything on a console if you're that level of visual tart.

What is it?

I don't believe this story at all lol

Would you like to have a chat with my wife? She'll be more than happy to stress how ugly it looks from her POV. At least her nagging would be deflected somewhere else

That and people not calibrating their tv's correctly.

You know that's not a valid reason now. I have a calibrated 4k C6 and the picture couldn't possibly be any better.

 

[lwilliams3]

My wife isn't a gamer and not interested one bit. In fact she avoids it like the plague. When she saw me playing Zelda botw, the first thing she said was "why are you playing this ugly game?". I asked her later why she thought so, and even told her it looks like something else she's familiar with and a fan of, Naruto. Her response was, "Naruto looks much clearer than this, you can see their faces, the picture looks better and very smooth. This one is blurry with blocky stuff and stutters". She obviously means lower resolution, no aa and bad framerate. I couldn't argue. Told her she's right but I still enjoy it. Obviously I wish it could look better at least consistent 1080p30 with aa.

But my point is, she's not even a gamer, let alone average gamer and she quickly noticed the "ugly" gfx.

Did she see that you can play Zelda in HH mode and that it would look the same? That may make her appreciate the game even more. Otherwise, I wonder how she thought about 3DS games

It may also be an YMMV thing, though. Some people loves Twilight Princess art style, for example, while other people calls it ugly. It's subjective. Other games (may ARMs) might interest her more in appearance if she like Naruto.

 

[wonderful103]

Damn, I mean, mediocre hardware? This is the most powerful portable console I've played so far. Design is some of the most 'modern' Nintendo did, I hold it and it feels like a nice piece of tech compared to let's say the Gamepad.

Unsophisticated gamers who go for novelty gimmicks, come on, for once I feel like the Switch has no gimmicks that actually pisses me off, this time it's like HD rumble which is simply rumble so sure why not. It's not a trade-off like the wiimote or the gamepad that looks horrible and disconnects when you leave the room. People who buy Nintendo hardware are looking for good games, not gimmicks, specifically.

It's Azak. Don't bother. Iwata kicked his dog.
See post history.

 

[Astral Dog]

Yes I respect that.
It's a pretty awesome handheld.

I'm just sad true home console gaming is pretty much dead to Nintendo, dying at least with this gen.



I'm not no, I just have the imagination to think developers have to make compromises while making games based on the hardware they develop it for.

You didn't have an open world Zelda like Breath of the Wild on Gamecube/Wii because of hardware limitations, and that's why Wind Waker's world is islands separated by "loading screens" you don't notice but can't bypass.

I'm sick of people thinking powerful hardware isn't desirable.
That's power that brought you Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, all these amazing games that shaped what 3D gaming is today.

Nintendo's first party talents with very capable hardware did wonders in the past, revolutionizing the gaming landscape.
They could probably do it again, but they are gimped by consoles stuck in the past in terms of performance.

Innovation doesn't always come from powerful hardware, but look at the history of gaming and tell me there's no correlation between the two.

I agree but we need to accept Nintendo is going at their own pace,at least for your mental health.
Four years ago we didn't even have HD Nintendo games,now we have the most powerful handheld ever created,their teams will have a good time with this one.modern architecture + 4GB of RAM + 2x-2x.5 the power of a Wii U will make amazing looking games

You couldn't dream about this little machine in the 360/Wii U generation


Edit: and i will say this,which developers don't make compromises to release on consoles? You think Naughty Dog were happy making Last of Us on PS3 hardware? You don't think Sony and third party teams were limited by those systems? they did because they had to,and created amazing experiences with them.
Hell i dont think Mario Galaxy would have been possible on a Game Cube,sometimes even small jumps can create something fresh and great.

 

[TLZ]

Did she see that you can play Zelda in HH mode and that it would look the same? That may make her appreciate the game even more. Otherwise, I wonder how she thought about 3DS games

It may also be an YMMV thing, though. Some people loves Twilight Princess art style, for example, while other people calls it ugly. It's subjective. Other games (may ARMs) might interest her more in appearance if she like Naruto.

Yea she saw me playing HH but thought it was too big, lol. And she's not into 3DS either. Actually she thinks everything that isn't current (to her, PS4 is current) looks ugly. She does think Yoshi's woolly world, Mario 3D world and Mario Kart 8 look beautiful though. When she said ugly about BOTW I assumed she meant art style at first, but it wasn't. That's why I'm assuming what she means is absence of AA (blocky stuff) and a clean picture in BOTW (blurry), and obviously the framerate dips (stutter). These aren't evident in the other three Nintendo games she liked. They look crisp with a constant framerate. So to her eyes, they look good.

Anyway. Anything blocky, pixelated, blurry, is ugly in her eyes. So every time she sees me playing anything retro, I know what's coming for me

 

[Reg]

Best PS4 game this year is 900p with so-so visuals and shit for anti aliasing.

You aren't playing anything on a console if you're that level of visual tart.

Horizon is 1080p.

 

[AzaK]

It is expensive as a handheld indeed. But the PS4 Pro comparison makes no sense considering you're comparing handheld hardware and stationary hardware. It'd be like comparing the price of an iPad Pro and a gaming PC solely based on performances.

The comparison is because I want to play games and they are both game machines, although that said, the Switch will miss out on about 99% of the games compared to PS4.

 

[Bowl0l]

the gamepad that looks horrible and disconnects when you leave the room.

If not mistaken, some left Joycons have a shorter range than the right Joycons.

 

[janoDX]

How many times is this going to be confirmed? The secret sauce for Switch is obviously Zelda: BOTW.

But I have it on WiiU, why would I need the game on Switch?

 

[AzaK]

It is expensive as a handheld indeed. But the PS4 Pro comparison makes no sense considering you're comparing handheld hardware and stationary hardware. It'd be like comparing the price of an iPad Pro and a gaming PC solely based on performances.

Damn, I mean, mediocre hardware? This is the most powerful portable console I've played so far. Design is some of the most 'modern' Nintendo did, I hold it and it feels like a nice piece of tech compared to let's say the Gamepad.

Unsophisticated gamers who go for novelty gimmicks, come on, for once I feel like the Switch has no gimmicks that actually pisses me off, this time it's like HD rumble which is simply rumble so sure why not. It's not a trade-off like the wiimote or the gamepad that looks horrible and disconnects when you leave the room. People who buy Nintendo hardware are looking for good games, not gimmicks, specifically.

The gimmicks might not piss you off, but they are gimmicks. Motion control has been and gone, completely. It's worthless except in maybe VR which is not going anywhere fast and the Switch can't do it anyway. But they still went and put an IR camera, motion and a glorified Rumble tech in the thing which no-one asked fro and no-one needs. Just wait to see how few games utilise it. In fact Nintendo's history is that they put something in their machine, make one showcase then forget about it

 

[Branduil]

BotW, ARMS, and Splatoon 2 all make heavy use of motion controls.

 

[Schnozberry]

in windows...

Better DX11 drivers are part of it, but compared to the GCN version in the PS4 and Xbox, Maxwell Gen 2 has some efficiency gains with a tiled deferred renderer, better color compression, 2 fp16 instructions per shader per clock and overall lower memory bandwidth requirements. There's also Nvidia and Nintendo's software integrations, where there's no reason to believe Nvidia's superior software engineering wouldn't also carry over into the Switch.

 

[base_two]

I did, I don't have it though.

The game is awesome, the scope is insane, I agree with that.

What I'm saying is: just like Hyrule Castle Town in OoT or TP, it is probably far from what the developers would be able and would want to achieve with more powerful hardware.

More powerful hardware isn't in itself what people like me want from Nintendo, it's what Nintendo will do with it that's exciting, and that excitement has been crushed by Nintendo's hardware politic these past few generations of selling underpowered but gimmicky hardware.

I'm sick of getting the gimmicks at the expense of capable hardware. The Switch's portability is the only reason why, at this price point, it isn't more, or at least as powerful as the X1/PS4.
This is such a shame to me, Nintendo's handheld consoles are awesome at delivering great experiences on the go, the DS/3DS consoles. Why can't they focus on a true home console system for the successor of their true home console system ?

Several things wrong with this post. First of all, for it's time, Twilight Princess was graphically impressive, even with the HD twins near release by then, and better looking than most stuff you were seeing on the other two console. Ocarina of Time similarly looked better than anything on PS1. BotW has better physics than most games released to date on any platform, mobile or not. Secondly, the Xbox One/PS4 hardware shortcomings hold back many ports from running the way they should at decent resolutions, thus why we the PS4 Pro and Scorpion exist. Would it be fair to say that I'd rather just use a gaming PC for my gaming needs instead of dealing with the relatively underpowered PS4 and Xbox One? Of course not. That isn't the point of those consoles. Lastly, the Switch is the most capable gaming mobile console ever released. So it is erroneous to say it is not capable hardware.

If you're frustrated at what kind of product the Nintendo Switch is, that your deal. But don't spin the product as something it is not to fit your narrative.

 

[AoM]

Some people are just not Nintendo fans they will never buy their console... and thats cool. I just don't get why they come in to Nintendo threads and rant about how they don't like Nintendo decisions. Game on your pc, Sony, or Microsoft console and stay out of Nintendo threads.

Many of us used to be.

 

[ricelord]

Best PS4 game this year is 900p with so-so visuals and shit for anti aliasing.

You aren't playing anything on a console if you're that level of visual tart.

and what game is this?

 

[ryushe]

Man, I remember when playing good games were all that mattered.

Sigh.. I miss those days.

 

[Night Angel]

Since I haven't seen it done yet, let me help some folks.

An order of magnitude is, in the usual usage, 10x increased over another number. 1000 is an order of magnitude more than 100. 10 is an order of magnitude more than 1. Don't use the term if there isn't a gap of 1000%.

You're welcome.

 

[Doctre81]

What is it?




Would you like to have a chat with my wife? She'll be more than happy to stress how ugly it looks from her POV. At least her nagging would be deflected somewhere else



You know that's not a valid reason now. I have a calibrated 4k C6 and the picture couldn't possibly be any better.

I was talking about on a 1080p tv

 

[GankzyMcfly]

Some people are just not Nintendo fans they will never buy their console... and thats cool. I just don't get why they come in to Nintendo threads and rant about how they don't like Nintendo decisions. Game on your pc, Sony, or Microsoft console and stay out of Nintendo threads.

Lol you clearly havnt listened to most if at all any of the critisms or your just being passive aggressive. If anything its because these people love nintendo and former nintendo products so much that they are frustrated and ranting when nintendo makes stupid decisions...I for example have owned every single nintendo console day one except the nintendo wii u and switch...why no wiiu and switch? Becaude they had some real big issues present in the wii days i had hoped they would have resolved on the wii u..that wasnt the case and now those same problems appear present once again on the switch...am i not aloud to voice my frustration at the presence of these issue? Not sure why you bring up pc's xbox one and ps4 as well... unless your just trying to turn this into a console warz pc master race thing...which i doubt the majority of users here would suggest it is.

 

[Flying Toaster]

Lol you clearly havnt listened to most if at all any of the critisms or your just being passive aggressive. If anything its because these people love nintendo and former nintendo products so much that they are frustrated and ranting when nintendo makes stupid decisions...I for example have owned every single nintendo console day one except the nintendo wii u and switch...why no wiiu and switch? Becaude they had some real big issues present in the wii days i had hoped they would have resolved on the wii u..that wasnt the case and now those same problems appear present once again on the switch...am i not aloud to voice my frustration at the presence of these issue? Not sure why you bring up pc's xbox one and ps4 as well... unless your just trying to turn this into a console warz pc master race thing...which i doubt the majority of users here would suggest it is.

This post speaks truth.

 

[ggx2ac]

and what game is this?

Nier Automata

 

[z0m3le]

There is no reason Switch can't run at some level any game for xb1 or ps4. It has all the modern features and single threaded performance on par with ps4, it is limited to 3 cores but that is the line developers have drawn for their PC ports. RAM is also plentiful enough to handle ports at lower resolutions.

I'd also like to point out that PS4 pro has just enough performance to hit 4k visuals of 720p visuals on Switch. They both have the same upscaling tricks available as well. People comparing a wii u game to ps4 games just don't understand how any of this works, yes the game was ported to switch, this doesn't mean it measures the system in performance at all.

X1 is a reasonable chip for this type of device, but ghosttrick a couple pages ago was spot on, had they went 16nm and A72, they could have hit Foxconn clocks at or below current power consumption. This is not a custom chip, and that shows that development wasn't brought to the Soc, we have however heard from multiple sources that Switch is the easiest platform to develop for, and that should yield good results.

Lastly, of course switch is replacing 3ds, whether Nintendo releases a clamshell design or just eol 3ds next year, it's been selling worse and worse every year since it's release and is regularly below the ps4 in Japan, that is how saturated the device is, it's the 3rd best selling platform ever in Japan, only behind the Gameboy and DS, it's had a long life and we are seeing a strong end for it, that is all.

 

[xenorevlis]

Nier Automata

Thats funny, because Nier is 1080p on my system

Also on Windows, so best PS4 game is Horizon, which is 1080p with pretty great AA.

 

[Night Angel]

Nier Automata

I bet Nier doesn't run at 20-30 fps.

 

[ggx2ac]

Thats funny, because Nier is 1080p on my system

Also on Windows, so best PS4 game is Horizon, which is 1080p with pretty great AA.

I bet Nier doesn't run at 20-30 fps.

I don't care, I was just answering that guy's question since it was obvious what game Alex was talking about.

 

[guek]

Lol you clearly havnt listened to most if at all any of the critisms or your just being passive aggressive. If anything its because these people love nintendo and former nintendo products so much that they are frustrated and ranting when nintendo makes stupid decisions...I for example have owned every single nintendo console day one except the nintendo wii u and switch...why no wiiu and switch? Becaude they had some real big issues present in the wii days i had hoped they would have resolved on the wii u..that wasnt the case and now those same problems appear present once again on the switch...am i not aloud to voice my frustration at the presence of these issue? Not sure why you bring up pc's xbox one and ps4 as well... unless your just trying to turn this into a console warz pc master race thing...which i doubt the majority of users here would suggest it is.

Everyone gets defensive. People get defensive about Nintendo and people get defensive about being critical as well. That happens in part because there's no objective reason you shouldn't be either for or critical of Nintendo. What's really dumb is distorting facts in either direction. Saying the Switch uses withered technology for example is either ignorant or idiotic because it's factually incorrect. It's equally so to pretend like the Switch is providing bleeding edge visuals when simply can't.

 

[Night Angel]

I don't care, I was just answering that guy's question since it was obvious what game Alex was talking about.

I get that. It's still a wierd point to make considering the framerate target. I probably should've quoted the other dude.

 

[asagami_]

Ah, I wonder what will happen if Nvidia improve their products and the next Switch generation is capable to run almost like a PS4.

For that we will have to wait maybe 4 years, but the idea sounds pretty awesome.

 

[4Tran]

I'm sick of getting the gimmicks at the expense of capable hardware. The Switch's portability is the only reason why, at this price point, it isn't more, or at least as powerful as the X1/PS4.

I think that you have this backwards. Nintendo hardware isn't weak because it's gimmicky. It's weak because Nintendo has made the determination that they can't compete on hardware power so their devices have to be a step or two weaker than they can be. The gimmicks to them exist to serve as an alternate value proposition to make their hardware seem attractive. Unless Nintendo changes their mindset on this point, their hardware is always going to be weaker than the opposition, gimmick or no gimmick.

Ah, I wonder what will happen if Nvidia improve their products and the next Switch generation is capable to run almost like a PS4.

For that we will have to wait maybe 4 years, but the idea sounds pretty awesome.

The question is not what nVidia is capable of doing; it's always been a question of what Nintendo is willing to pay for.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Ah, I wonder what will happen if Nvidia improve their products and the next Switch generation is capable to run almost like a PS4.

For that we will have to wait maybe 4 years, but the idea sounds pretty awesome.

By that time PS5 will be out and people will complain about shitty hardware.

It has no end.

 

[Night Angel]

By that time PS5 will be out and people will complain about shitty hardware.

It has no end.

And it never will as long as Nintendo targets the last generation's specs. It's going to happen.

 

[Herb Alpert]

And it never will as long as Nintendo targets the last generation's specs. It's going to happen.

So they should have gone PS4 power with their form factor. Gotcha.

 

[asagami_]

By that time PS5 will be out and people will complain about shitty hardware.

It has no end.

The hybrid aspect of the Switch is a very powerful idea. Someone already said in this thread about how the tendency is leading to a increase of mobile technology in our lives. Hell, I have read people in Gaf about how the Switch is changing their gaming habits, so I expect this occurs to more people in the next 2-4 years.