MilkyJoe
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Confirmed: The Nintendo Switch is powered by an Nvidia Tegra X1
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Sure, why not.
SpookyBlackFish
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Ah, I didn't expect that. A standard TX1. I wonder what NVIDIA meant with custom then. They stated that, didn't they?
OK, I have no idea of what that means performance wise or how much the whole hardware should cost (faaar less according to some salty or schadenfreude users), I only see the results on screen. So far, it looks promising.
OK, I have no idea of what that means performance wise or how much the whole hardware should cost (faaar less according to some salty or schadenfreude users), I only see the results on screen. So far, it looks promising.
What I mean is that it's a Wii U in the sense it's sold as one thing but it's not that at all.
Well I was being facetious obviously but it's an expensive machine over all and not fully baked - meaning the value proposition is minimised. By the time you add storage (Which you have to) you're paying PS4 pro prices for, still not the same storage and a machine about 1/10th the performance envelope with almost no games.
If Nintendo people want to lap that up fine, but hopefully the rest of the masses realise that it will be another Wii. The thing you buy cause it looks interesting and then play once.
The best US president will be Donald Trump too because, well, he's the only one.
Memorabilia
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This is... Expected. We've basically known this since the DF breakdown way before release. Nice to get confirmation I suppose. The only people who should be disappointed by this are the fan-boys who trolled everyone in various threads claiming/speculating about "secret sauce" enhancements that most people with a shred of sense knew only existed in fever-dreams.
GhostTrick
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It is expensive as a handheld indeed. But the PS4 Pro comparison makes no sense considering you're comparing handheld hardware and stationary hardware. It'd be like comparing the price of an iPad Pro and a gaming PC solely based on performances.
Ur logic is weird. Like really weird.
Naked Snake
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I don't know why people keep saying you have to buy additional storage for the Switch... Not if you buy your games physical.
The Switch only has 26 GB of space available. Even if you buy your games retail and only buy digital exclusives on the Eshop between patches, DLC and Eshop exclusive digital games you're going to burn through that 26 GB very quickly.
Lagspike_exe
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Clearly RSX was so advanced that it's output was greater than that of PS4!
Nintendo showed a prototype looking exactly like that one in one of their videos explaining how Switch came to be. You can check it in their youtube channel.
Still, this info shows again that speculation regarding new Nintendo hardware is full of uninformed posts, whishes and simply statements as if they were fact when they are only fanfiction. This will happen every time.
Blackpuppy
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Man, I wonder what's going through Zombi3's head right now. He was a true believer of the 16nm/custom chip theory in the teardown thread...
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SpookyBlackFish
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Greetings!
I strongly disagree with your Wii statement. The Switch has not an extremely centered focus on a function that would make the existence of the console obsolete if you don't use it properly. The Switch offers options and variety in controls and gameplay but it does not first and foremost need to provide motion controls or second screen asymmetric functions. Wii Sports was both a blessing and a curse, because maybe millions of people only saw it as a bowling station for the TV. Heck, even my father bought one.
No matter what, Switch on the other hand will always deliver flexible comfortable use of the controllers for different situations and portability. This is not a playful gimmick, it is a full fledged useful function. And the most important and attractive one. It has no lightning in a bottle piece of software it will always be measured and defined with and played once and then never again.
It is in fact a very conservative (not specs wise) and accessible hardware, like the GBA was. People might like that more.
Your US president comparison is weird btw.
Have a good day!
ZombiePlatypus
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Skimmed through this thread, (sorry if I missed the answer) but, did Nvidia lie about the whole "custom" talk then or what? Or is the jury still basically out?
So basically 2012's desktop gpu's are more powerful than PS4 and Xbone.
Who cares?
Excellent post.
Chittagong
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More like people misunderstood where the 500 man years went to. In my opinion it's great news that the chip is non-custom, because it means all that work went into API, dev tools and OS development, instead of tweaking a perfectly fine chip.
JonnyDBrit
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If it's custom, it's not in any way so significant that it easily shows.
FTFY.
Technically even having its own codename can be defined as custom. Or not using the A53 cores. Or using custom clocks. Or having custom API.
It's pretty much what we've been talking about this whole time. WUST was a completely different experience, with a device shockly low powered, while this is around where we thought it would be for months now, and even early guestimates of ~200 gflops for a handheld, seem pretty spot on with the recent bump in clock speed.
From this shot it does appear they lied. I don't know enough about this to know if they could have.made changes not visible on the die shots.
GhostTrick
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While it's not a best case scenario in term of hardware, I'd say Switch dodged a WUST flashback by at least being the stock X1. It could've been a custom model with 128 cuda cores at 28nm :""")
Oh, come on! This is really your first post about this? For months you've been pushing the Foxconn clocks and 16nm as the most likely scenario. At least own it now.
GhostTrick
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Foxconn clocks and specs arent that beyond the real specs though. It was twice faster CPU wise but like 20% faster GPU wise ?
It's far from the shitshow WUST was, with the 1tflops then 480gflops then 352gflops then 176gflops machine. :")
lmao
Graphics Horse
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Could someone help me here please, I can't find this
Did they say the CPU/GPU was custom or the SoC? To me it looks like some details along the bottom edge are slightly different to the comparison, but I wouldn't know about these things.
Oh? Interesting! Can anyone find a link to this?
This sounds good enough to me. The GPU serves the broader function of making this system really small, quiet and portable. And Zelda shows just how much they can make this thing sing... and it's not even a native game to the platform, it's just a port. Too many people are focused on power at the expense of everything else.
This system will put out satisfying visuals in the right hands. We just won't see AAA western support but that's not really an issue as long as Japan and indies develop for it.
I'm not saying that they are far from it, even though twice the CPU clocks is quite a gap, but z0m3le saying that a stock X1 "It's pretty much what we've been talking about this whole time" is kind of ridiculous after everything going on in this thread. That thread wasn't renamed for nothing.
Haha, come on. Everything from 16nm, higher clocks, 3SM, A72s, and more cache (Nintendo loves memory!) was thrown around in those threads. Not a single thing came to fruition.
Exactly, heck 2 years from now you will still take a PS Vita any day of the week over a normal tablet or iPhone. A Switch right now blows away a Vita in every way except for it's library of games and that issue will be solved going forward.
No other gaming console/ handheld that I know of, especially made by Nintendo has used 100% off the shelf hardware so it wasn't easy to guess. There hasn't been any precedence.
3DS developers will go crazy making Switch games just like they did for the 3DS. 3rd party games. Ports will come as well, it will not be nearly as hard to make ports with the architecture and libraries the Switch uses. Comparing it to the Wii U is silly. PC games are all made to scale a bit, I regularly play PC games that recommend an i7 processor with my i3 Alienware. I set everything to medium and the games run literally perfect. They don't look as great as someone using that i7 and a top end Nvidia card but they still look real nice. Developers bailed on the Wii when they seen the attach rates were poor. That won't be the case if the Switch truly is the 3DS's replacement as well as a home console.
No. Don't pull a Trump here.
The initial leak thread about it being TX1, and all the posts therein, are still available for everyone to read. The vast majority of people were ADAMANT that it couldn't possibly be a standard stock part. And quite a few were throwing out wild speculation about specific hardware features and performance left and right.
I think Gamecube was mentioned in this thread as having a non custom GPU?
This is true. I was also on that train initially.
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Rodin
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It wasn't so easy to believe that it was an off the shelf part considering Nintendo's precedents, c'mon.
And i mean EVERY precedent. They never used a standard chip before.
And i mean EVERY precedent. They never used a standard chip before.
No one is saying that it was easy to believe.
However, "it wasn't easy to believe" and "non-news, everyone knew that already and this is what we all talked about" are basically diametrically opposing arguments.
3rd party support wasn't particularly strong on 3DS though. Even Japanese publishers were relatively reluctant, and seemingly with Switch they are as well given that a lot of their games haven't been announced for Switch.
They said "NVIDIA customised Tegra processor". I guess custom is such a vague term they could have added some usb-c stuff, called it a day and said it was customised.
I also said that Eurogamer's leak was not wrong, that something weird was going on with the foxconn leak because I do believe the leaker saw those clocks, but who knows what it meant, go over the past month of my posts. I've been letting it go for a while now.
Speculating on what makes the most sense and basing my speculation on a legit leak is nothing to worry about, I've been careful to keep eurogamer's clocks as part of my estimations for performance, and when we are talking about a difference of 20% in performance, it's hardly some earth shattering event.
Should I go sit in a room and cry to myself? what exactly do you expect me to do with this information? The base performance of the device has always been the most important aspect anyways, and that is 196gflops and about 2x Wii U's performance.
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Come on, Durante. This is a precedent for nintendo, do pull that 'Lol, told you so!' card.
All of my personal speculation was based on a legit Foxconn leak and I always kept Eurogamer's clocks in my estimations of performance. Even my more recent posts in the teardown thread were saying that it could be either spec, and it's not 157gflops like everyone was saying a few months ago, it's 196gflops, the whole final clocks bs was nothing short of people just shutting down speculation.
Also to both of you, what do you do in a speculation thread but speculate? and again higher clocks did in fact happen 307mhz to 384mhz
nogoodnamesleft
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switch uses a stock tegra x1 with lower clocks and more ram ..... a bit like smartphones . Iwata said that nx was inspired by ios and android , and will be a family of devices ... so switch 2 can get a tx 2 , switch 3 gets a tx 3 and so on .... with full bc and fc like the smartphones ....
BobbeMalle
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It was never sold as an handheld technically, they consider it a home console.. i don't know how tho
I at least expect you not to come in this thread and say "It's pretty much what we've been talking about this whole time". Because you didn't. I doubt that you don't remember all the discussions back and forth that we had until recently. Remember how much did you try to spin that first teardown photo into being some old devkit. How much you pushed the theory that Eurogamer has posted old information that is no longer valid. All the power draw talk and how it doesn't make sense for a X1.
Yes, speculating is fun, I also enjoy it a lot. But when your speculation goes wrong, own it, don't try to make it like you were right all the time when there are tens if not hundred of posts saying otherwise.
Everything pointed to a normal X1, Nintendo got them super cheap probably. But that brings us to another thing: if they got them super cheap, there is nothing to explain the 300/330 price. Which is another reason to believe they will drop the price by the end of the year, which will be the tru launch of the system.
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