I want to support Conker but Spark seems like the most vapid game released in the past few years.
So many ungrateful people in this thread. Honestly I am all about fair criticism of game design, but the amount of people instantly turning away from this because it's in Spark is crazy.
To see a new Conker game with the original voice actor and have it in a mature style with bad language (as their blog points out the DLC will most likely be M) is amazing. It's a playable new Conker game and it looks well done. So many whine for this series to come back, and safe to say there's no way we'd have a full scale Conker game any time soon. IMO this is the perfect way to bring him back.
To all the people who asked for them to bring Conker back, here it is. Judge it on its own merits, not the expectations of a full blown video game. If you want to support the IP put your money where your mouth is.
Look at all the stuff that is only revived via mobile games, now that is a true tradgedy.
I'll be fully supporting this day one, as a long time Conker fan this looks fantastic to me. Then again my expectations were for a well done DLC pack of levels, not a brand new game.
I don't necessarily disagree with you in terms of what Team Dakota presented in the free portion of Champion's Quest but then again I don't know how the fuller episode plays. I'm tempted to buy the starter pack though since it has a little bit of everything as well as more of the TD developed content. Here's hoping they do a good job with the Conker episodes, I'll buy them on the spot if they're good.I just played the first episode of a Champion's Quest and then it asked me to purchase a content pack to continue playing. I went in expecting that TD had created something as a showcase for creators to aspire to, something that elicited a reaction of "I didn't think that could be done in Project Spark," motivating me to explore player creations and maybe even get my imagination running with possibilities of what could be accomplished for Conker.
Sigh.
There was nothing special about the first episode, it felt like something the community had done already many times over, albeit community creations are smaller in scope, so I didn't feel like it was worth it to pay a premium to continue playing.
I think I'd be motivated to explore those episodes and assets, to day dream about what I could do with them, if the characters and worlds had more personality to them. No matter what character model is chosen they feel the same, and they never feel as good as staple characters in games at the top of their genre. It feels generic as fuck, and after playing several creations they start to look generic as fuck.
I'll still give Conker a shot, but my expectations of what TD (and Project Spark) can do have been drastically lowered and I'm pretty sure whatever comes of it will not be for me. My only hope is that Rare has a couple of people helping push what Project Spark can do for Conker and that translates into easier creation tools for creators to branch out with their ideas, but I'm skeptical that's the case. I'd love for them to change my mind.
Yeah it's further testing ground for Team Dakota as a fledgling developer and the Spark community to create Conker stuff on their own. I'm hoping it turns out to be a successful experiment.A common thought in the Spark community is that Champions Quest is made for kids, and those new to Spark, something they can make something similar to without much koding, as most of the default assets in Spark lend themselves to 3D action adventure games. I would argue some of the TD creations launched at the start of the Beta were more fun than CQ. Retro Reborn was an homage to Geometry Wars, and Suspension was an homage to Limbo (though it was very short, essentially a demo). Pinball Raid was a neat pinball game, and Dakotris is there for people who like tetris.
There are things that the community has made that are much more enjoyable for users to play through than CQ, just from the first GameJam competition there were X-Zero, Singularity, and Reactor, for example. If you're looking for things that don't *look* like they were made in Spark, Super 16+, Solar Bay, and Remembrance. I'm keeping the lists relatively short, there are many more.
Keep in mind the creators are hobbyists, so of course most of the stuff uploaded is going to be bunk. You have to either look through the right feeds (Featured All Time isn't a bad place to start) to find what you're after, or know someone who has been around for a while and saw the good levels as they were released. Also, as the community has more time to learn, the quality of the creations have generally been increasing at a steady rate.
We don't know what the gameplay will be like for Conker, but I suspect it will be close to the spirit of Bad Fur Day- an action platformer with crude humor. I think it's too soon for Conker fans to say "this isn't the Conker game I wanted"- especially since if it isn't supported, it may be the last Conker game they ever get. Conker fans are being thrown a life jacket, I hope they realize that before it's too late.
Even with that blurry off screen footage I'm excited as hell. The Project Spark model animates better than I expected.A vine with a very short glimpse of Conker. I'm really excited for this. After Seavor left Rare I never thought we'd see Conker again, so the fact that this is an actual continuation is awesome.
Try "Goblins Heroes 2 - The Necro's Maze", it's very well crafted.I really tried to like Project Spark. But most of the user-created games that I had tried are not fun to play, and I'm not expecting much from this.
I agree, but the ones made by Team Dakota are amazing.I really tried to like Project Spark. But most of the user-created games that I had tried are not fun to play, and I'm not expecting much from this.
Yeah... I said this earlier. I wish the game had more developer-made content.I agree, but the ones made by Team Dakota are amazing.
Are you trying to view it in mobile?The Vine video doesn't seem to wanna work for me![]()
Are you trying to view it in mobile?
It didn't work for my mobile browsers but it worked on my PC browser.
A common thought in the Spark community is that Champions Quest is made for kids, and those new to Spark, something they can make something similar to without much koding, as most of the default assets in Spark lend themselves to 3D action adventure games. I would argue some of the TD creations launched at the start of the Beta were more fun than CQ. Retro Reborn was an homage to Geometry Wars, and Suspension was an homage to Limbo (though it was very short, essentially a demo). Pinball Raid was a neat pinball game, and Dakotris is there for people who like tetris.
There are things that the community has made that are much more enjoyable for users to play through than CQ, just from the first GameJam competition there were X-Zero, Singularity, and Reactor, for example. If you're looking for things that don't *look* like they were made in Spark, Super 16+, Solar Bay, and Remembrance. I'm keeping the lists relatively short, there are many more.
Keep in mind the creators are hobbyists, so of course most of the stuff uploaded is going to be bunk. You have to either look through the right feeds (Featured All Time isn't a bad place to start) to find what you're after, or know someone who has been around for a while and saw the good levels as they were released. Also, as the community has more time to learn, the quality of the creations have generally been increasing at a steady rate.
We don't know what the gameplay will be like for Conker, but I suspect it will be close to the spirit of Bad Fur Day- an action platformer with crude humor. I think it's too soon for Conker fans to say "this isn't the Conker game I wanted"- especially since if it isn't supported, it may be the last Conker game they ever get. Conker fans are being thrown a life jacket, I hope they realize that before it's too late.
Try "Goblins Heroes 2 - The Necro's Maze", it's very well crafted.
I'm sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGUaLTLiFLc
that was a load shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4S-O1vXoZ0
But seriously looks like hot garbage that someone used as a bathroom. And yes based on what I have seen I would rather no more Conker then this. Though who knows maybe reviews will say it is good. psssssh.
So many ungrateful people in this thread. Honestly I am all about fair criticism of game design, but the amount of people instantly turning away from this because it's in Spark is crazy.
To see a new Conker game with the original voice actor and have it in a mature style with bad language (as their blog points out the DLC will most likely be M) is amazing. It's a playable new Conker game and it looks well done. So many whine for this series to come back, and safe to say there's no way we'd have a full scale Conker game any time soon. IMO this is the perfect way to bring him back.
To all the people who asked for them to bring Conker back, here it is. Judge it on its own merits, not the expectations of a full blown video game. If you want to support the IP put your money where your mouth is.
Look at all the stuff that is only revived via mobile games, now that is a true tradgedy.
I'll be fully supporting this day one, as a long time Conker fan this looks fantastic to me. Then again my expectations were for a well done DLC pack of levels, not a brand new game.
They accidentally showed off the Tediz during the stream.
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Stream quality was a bit weird at that point, so sorry about the fuzzy looking picture.
So they stated on the stream that episode 1 was about an hour, but a "packed" hour.
I really hope that the price isn't too steep like their previous story packs, especially at that timeframe.
If you like and want Conker, it seems weird to bitch about something like this instead of showing support for it. Its like a bum asking for money and then bitching and turning his nose up when you "only" give him two bucks...
Bad analogy. It's like people want this series to come back and when it does they don't give a shit. Think MS is going to make a multimillion dollar game for this long retired series out of nowhere?In this case it's like being given monopoly money.
I mean technically it's money... but it's not the same.
Yah I agree with that, though to me atleast there is a difference between how hard it is to make an action game and a platformer. Champions Quest and the auto world creator for example feel like useful tools that help make it easier for people to understand how to make games by reading the code of certain objects. Not to mention that default ai for all enemies is set to be used in an action gameplay environment. I also find there are not that many objects to be used for platforming, though with these last two complaints I imagine the assets from Conker will include elements.Doing a platformer in PS is actually quite easy, no harder than a 3D action game really. The difficulty is doing a good platformer, which is mostly about level design and finding the right physics.
FPS can be done but the shooting part is hard to do right indeed. Most people try to shoot real physical projectiles in the direction of the reticle, but the geometry is off most of the time, so it's not very precise.
No problem sir.Yeah I was. Next time I go on my laptop I'll give it a look. Cheers for the advice *sticks thumbs up*
It's good stuff!Watching now. I really want to get into what TD are trying to deliver, so I'm hoping this convinces me they are doing more than just a Conker skin.
EDIT: Yeah, they are definitely doing more than just a Conker skin. I'm getting a little more hopeful this could turn out well.
Thanks for this. I'm definitely going to try other TD-made stuff.
EDIT: Tried several of their creations and I feel a little better about what they could do with PS. Here's hoping they raise the bar a bit with Conker.
I had that happen to me once, it was hilarious. But yeah definitely support this Conker episode for Project Spark, the base game is free and the episode seems like it'll have a nice bit of content.If you like and want Conker, it seems weird to bitch about something like this instead of showing support for it. Its like a bum asking for money and then bitching and turning his nose up when you "only" give him two bucks...
Is the game even getting reviewed? I really doubt that.
Keep twisting that knife, Microsoft...
No disrespect to the developers of Project Spark, but this isn't how anyone wants Conker to return.
Keep twisting that knife, Microsoft...
No disrespect to the developers of Project Spark, but this isn't how anyone wants Conker to return. I'm confident we'll get another Banjo, Perfect Dark, and even Battletoads, but I have the least amount of faith in Conker.
So many ungrateful people in this thread. Honestly I am all about fair criticism of game design, but the amount of people instantly turning away from this because it's in Spark is crazy.
To see a new Conker game with the original voice actor and have it in a mature style with bad language (as their blog points out the DLC will most likely be M) is amazing. It's a playable new Conker game and it looks well done. So many whine for this series to come back, and safe to say there's no way we'd have a full scale Conker game any time soon. IMO this is the perfect way to bring him back.
To all the people who asked for them to bring Conker back, here it is. Judge it on its own merits, not the expectations of a full blown video game. If you want to support the IP put your money where your mouth is.
Look at all the stuff that is only revived via mobile games, now that is a true tradgedy.
I'll be fully supporting this day one, as a long time Conker fan this looks fantastic to me. Then again my expectations were for a well done DLC pack of levels, not a brand new game.
I want to support Conker but Spark seems like the most vapid game released in the past few years.
I can't believe all the blind butthurt in regards to this announcement, I'm in day one.
I view this as not being all that different than LittleBig Planet in that the campaign there is a playable series of levels crafted from the game's sandbox environment to demonstrate what is possible. This is the same idea but instead of sackboy you're getting conker as your avatar... seems like a fair trade to me.
If the developer puts some thought and care into the episodes than I see this as not only a chance to revisit the character but an opportunity for the community to take him even further than a more traditional release would ever allow for.