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[thetrin]

I bought Brink on Steam, and fired it up. I didn't even touch the graphics settings. I eventually looked at the settings menu but didn't make any changes.

This is a good example actually, as Brink is a phenomenally unoptimized game. Crysis 2 on PC was like a dream. I installed it, started it up, and never had to touch a single graphical setting.

 

[Dunk#7]

?

the grip is different, not much else. Basically the same as using a wiimote, wich is super comfy considering you can move your hands independently. Ive tried it, it feels great. If youre having issues with the keyboard i strongly recommend it.

It may work for some people. I just never liked it.

The thing that always seemed to be difficult was spinning your character around to look behind yourself. Basically if you started getting shot from behind while using that controller you were screwed because it was way too difficult to turn around.

Like I said I already own one that is almost identical to that. Look up the Frag FX controller for the PS3.

 

[TheExodu5]

3. I am a mac user, and I use my computer as a tool for work. Not only are macs not great with gaming, but games take up unnecessary space and would hinder my render times if even slightly.

Having games installed on your computer will not effect your render times in the least bit. Also, how expensive is hard dirve space? You can get 2TB for $70.

 

[EternalGamer]

I bought Brink on Steam, and fired it up. I didn't even touch the graphics settings. I eventually looked at the settings menu but didn't make any changes.

I think a lot of the complaints people make would have been true about PC gaming years ago before stuff like Steam made it so easy with automatic updates and saved profiles.

 

[iNvid02]

the reason i didnt get into pc sooner was

- i had a dell, although it was decent it was nowhere near good enough for proper gaming
- i thought all games required kb/m or cheap controllers where you had to configure yourself
- didnt think it would much of a step up from the ps3

got a new beast-machine this year and got a 360 pad for pc and its been amazing
only thing i play on the ps3 now is exclusives and cod because of friends list

 

[thetrin]

I think a lot of the complaints people make would have been true about PC gaming years ago before stuff like Steam made it so easy with automatic updates and saved profiles.

90% of the complaints are from a time warp in 1992. I played PC games back when you had to set IRQs and fiddle with extended and expanded memory. I know what it's like not to have this convenience. It is NOTHING LIKE THAT now.

the reason i didnt get into pc sooner was

- i had a dell, although it was decent it was nowhere near good enough for proper gaming
- i thought all games required kb/m or cheap controllers where you had to configure yourself
- didnt think it would much of a step up from the ps3

got a new beast-machine this year and got a 360 pad for pc and its been amazing
only thing i play on the ps3 now is exclusives and cod because of friends list

This is basically the smart way to do things. Play consoles for exclusives, play PC for multiplat.

 

[mbmonk]

I think a lot of the complaints people make would have been true about PC gaming years ago before stuff like Steam made it so easy with automatic updates and saved profiles.

I agree. It the misconceptions that wear on me. Steam has been a key addition for PC gaming. That is a main reason I buy PC games exclusively from them. It's such a great service I don't want to spend my money elsewhere.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

A few things, I dont really have many friends who game on PC. For the few that do, my system would need a better graphics card but more than that just the fact that my xbox is fine. I literally dont think theres a single game on PC that im interested in which I cant just get on my xbox anyway.

 

[EternalGamer]

90% of the complaints are from a time warp in 1992. I played PC games back when you had to set IRQs and fiddle with extended and expanded memory. I know what it's like not to have this convenience. It is NOTHING LIKE THAT now.



This is basically the smart way to do things. Play consoles for exclusives, play PC for multiplat.

Agreed. This is part of what kept me from PC gaming for a number of years. When I finally got one last Fall, I was surprised about how user friendly things had become. Granted there are always moments of frustration, but solutions are usually minutes, not hours and hours away like they used to be.

 

[StevieP]

90% of the complaints are from a time warp in 1992. I played PC games back when you had to set IRQs and fiddle with extended and expanded memory. I know what it's like not to have this convenience. It is NOTHING LIKE THAT now.



This is basically the smart way to do things. Play consoles for exclusives, play PC for multiplat.

Thank you. The days of

@echo off
SET SOUND=C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\CTSND
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 E620 T6
SET PATH=C:\Windows;C:\
LH C:\Windows\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /D:123
SET PATH=C:\Windows;C:\
LH C:\Windows\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /D:123

and

DEVICE=C:\Windows\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\Windows\EMM386.EXE NOEMS

Are LONG past us.

So Ive just continued to play console games -- being able to sit back on my couch with my big screen and surround sound is just more fun/relaxing for me.

But you can get an HDMI cable for your PC for less than $5.

 

[jergrah]

Im a software developer --- so I sit in front of 2 monitors at work all day. The last thing I want to do when I get home is be back in front of a computer. Ever since Steam got Mac support, I have downloaded a few small games here and there -- but Ive barely touched most of them, again, because I just dont want to be back in front of a monitor when Im not at work.

So Ive just continued to play console games -- being able to sit back on my couch with my big screen and surround sound is just more fun/relaxing for me.

I have a few friends with great PC setups (large monitors, great sound system, etc) and I openly admit that the games look fantastic. It's just not for me.

 

[TheExodu5]

I think a lot of the complaints people make would have been true about PC gaming years ago before stuff like Steam made it so easy with automatic updates and saved profiles.

Yes. Steam has been a game changer. I loathed having to go through 15 minute installation procedures...needing to click next a dozen times. I hated needing to Google for the up to date patch of the game, which often times required I sign up for an account at such and such download site. I hated needing the disc in the drive.

Now? Double click to install a game. All my games are installed and on a massive 2TB HDD, ready to be launched at the click of a button. Patches are automatic. For the most part, I pick a game and play. The odd game, like The Witcher 2, makes me want to get the most out of it by tweaking it for around an hour before I play, but this is just personal preference.

 

[thetrin]

Agreed. This is part of what kept me from PC gaming for a number of years. When I finally got one last Fall, I was surprised about how user friendly things had become. Granted there are always moments of frustration, but solutions are usually minutes, not hours and hours away like they used to be.

The advent of the internet, plus better support from hardware/software manufacturers (and the very existence of Steam) have made PC gaming insanely convenient.

 

[SneakyStephan]

So $800 in 2010 to get a PC to run everything decently and in some cases better than the consoles?

Xbox 360 $300
PS3 $300
Wii $200

You can buy all three consoles for the price of my recommended $800 PC. The fact that I cheap'd out by $100 pisses me off so much! So do I go and spend another $250 - $300 to upgrade my CPU and video card? Well, I'm not cause I already have all three consoles. I'm going to upgrade EVERYTHING this fall for Battlefield 3. Which is going to run probably $1500. Hopefully, a $1500 PC from 2011 will match a $400 Xbox 720 PS4 in 2012-2013? Or should I wait?

I'm just trying to say that consoles have a huge advantage with price and library. I'm the poster child of how PC gaming can be a gong show. People with their "just fine" $600 PC from a few years ago are slumming it IMO.

ARGH, did you even read the thread, have you even ever built a gaming pc or played on one?

It's not 800, it's 500 for a quality mid range pc that maxes all current games (with ease) including the witcher 2.
600 if you want 60 fps in the witcher.

It doesn't just do decently and in some cases better than a ps3, no matter how hard you wish it to be!
It does much much much better in all cases.
If you spend 1500 dollars on a pc for battlefield then that's on you, if you buy it now a 700 dollar pc will max it for sure (as that price gets you a good quad core and a high end gpu in your pc), if you buy it in a few months it'll probably cost you less.

Cafe will ship with a gpu from 2008, in 2012, how powerful do you think ps4 is? Do you really expect to get 1000 dollars worth of pc hardware in a 400 dollar box?

PS3 was 'subsidised' by sony, still cost 599 and was significantly outclassed by pc within a year and a half.
You can argue over the likelyhood of the next console being subsidised again ,but if it is then you'll be paying the deficit back tenfold in platform licence costs for your games over the years.

Seriously, no matter how hard you wish it is, your ps3 is not of similar capacity than a mid range 3 year old pc, not even close, let alone a modern 600-800 dollar pc.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Crysis 2 on PC was like a dream. I installed it, started it up, and never had to touch a single graphical setting.

That's because there weren't any.

/troll

 

[thetrin]

That's because there weren't any.

/troll

Damn son. That was good.

 

[TheExodu5]

ARGH, did you even read the thread, have you even ever built a gaming pc or played on one?

It's not 800, it's 500 for a quality mid range pc that maxes all current games (with ease) including the witcher 2.
600 if you want 60 fps in the witcher.

Eh? I'd say $600-700 is closer to the mark. $500 is lowballing it. The Witcher 2 is also quite demanding...it costs a lot of money to get 60 fps in that game. You'd need around $400-500 in a dual GPU setup alone to have any hope of maintaining 60fps.

 

[StevieP]

ARGH, did you even read the thread, have you even ever built a gaming pc or played on one?

It's not 800, it's 500 for a quality mid range pc that maxes all current games (with ease) including the witcher 2.
600 if you want 60 fps in the witcher.

It doesn't do decently and in some cases better, no matter how hard you wish it to be!
It does much much much better in all cases.
If you spend 1500 dollars on a pc for battlefield then that's on you, if you buy it now a 700 dollar pc will max it for sure (as that price gets you a good quad core and a high end gpu in your pc), if you buy it in a few months it'll probably cost you less.

Cafe will ship with a gpu from 2008, in 2012, how powerful do you think ps4 is? Do you really expect to get 1000 dollars worth of pc hardware in a 400 dollar box?

PS3 was 'subsidised' by sony, still cost 599 and was significantly outclassed by pc within a year and a half.
You can argue over the likelyhood of the next console being subsidised again ,but if it is then you'll be paying the deficit back tenfold in platform licence costs for your games over the years.

Seriously, no matter how hard you wish it is, your ps3 is not of similar capacity than a mid range 3 year old pc, not even close, let alone a modern 600-800 dollar pc.

What people are forgetting is what I posted a few minutes ago:
The PS4/720, unless they have a TDP of >500W, are not going to come close to an $800 PC that you build *today*. The technology curve is much lower than in the past, and consoles are always limited to a <200W TDP. Even if console manufacturers decide they're going to sell at a $300 loss again, the laws of thermodynamics are working against them in a console environment. Your $120 GTX 460 *today* will have and draw far more juice than Sony/MS' 2013/14 console.

 

[Frankfurt]

PC gamers are unable to see how PC gaming takes more time, money and "work" than console gaming.

Consoles: buy a $299 console, pop it in the tv, play.

PC: figure out how you're going to set it up to your tv, do you have the space, does the game support controllers, is the game you want even on PC, then buy a new video card, check the specs, do you have free space to install it, is the game even running right...

The list is endless.

PC gaming = work, money and time so you can RELAX with a handful of games at 1080+p.
Console gaming = instant, cheap, hassle-free fun with more great games released a month than anyone could ever buy.

Even when I had friends that came over and did all the work setting up my PC, it still wasn't worth it. I would drop it in less than a week. The PC just doesn't have enough games in enough genres.

 

[thetrin]

Eh? I'd say $800 is closer to the mark. $500 is lowballing it.

Agreed. I would have had to cut corners in undesirable places to get lower than $800.

 

[CyReN]

LONG time console gamer here. I grew up playing: NES > SNES > N64/PS1 > Xbox/PS2 > 360/PS3/Wii.

I respect PC gaming and think it's great, I've only played a handful of games on PC like: The Sims, Rollercoaster Tycoon, Counter-Strike, Half Life 2 etc but there's something about the console and controller for me. It feels natural and right (yea I know that's what she said). Anytime I try and game with a keyboard and mouse it takes some time to get used to and I just prefer the controller. Another thing I don't like is keeping up with the specs and all that upgrading graphic cards, drivers, etc. I rather just put in a game and play it. Also a factor is a lot of my friends and family only play console games so I grew up on it and still play with them on it.

I can honestly see myself never getting a pc for gaming.

 

[mbmonk]

Im a software developer --- so I sit in front of 2 monitors at work all day. The last thing I want to do when I get home is be back in front of a computer. Ever since Steam got Mac support, I have downloaded a few small games here and there -- but Ive barely touched most of them, again, because I just dont want to be back in front of a monitor when Im not at work.

Same with me, but there are some games that I will sacrafice and sit in front of the computer in my off time ( mostly FPS's with Dedicated Servers ), but I also have a recliner in the same room with my PC and a 360 controller. So if I want to play a game I can recline and enjoy it, if it supports the 360 pad.

But I play a ton of games on my PS3 as well. They scratch different inches for me to a large degree.

EDIT: Tonight I am hooking up my PS3 to my projector and playing some MK9.... wife is out of town and the house is MINE!!!!

 

[thetrin]

PC gamers are unable to see how PC gaming takes more time, money and "work" than console gaming.

Consoles: buy a $299 console, pop it in the tv, play.

PC: figure out how you're going to set it up to your tv, do you have the space, does the game support controllers, is the game you want even on PC, then buy a new video card, check the specs, do you have free space to install it, is the game even running right...

The list is endless.

PC gaming = work, money and time so you can RELAX with a handful of games at 1080+p.
Console gaming = instant, cheap, hassle-free fun with more great games released a month than anyone could ever buy.

Even when I had friends that came over and did all the work setting up my PC, it still wasn't worth it. I would drop it in less than a week. The PC just doesn't have enough games in enough genres.

The PC doesn't have enough games? This is a new one for me.

 

[TheExodu5]

Agreed. I would have had to cut corners in undesirable places to get lower than $800.

Yeah. I fixed it to be $600-700, as we do have such a capable PC in the PC thread OP. $500 would be cheaping out in a lot of places.

 

[BadWolf]

Games mostly, the one's on there just don't interest. FPS, RTS, WRPGs etc is stuff that just doesn't appeal to me.

Overall moving more towards handheld gaming these days, thanks in part to my daily commute to and from work (can easily get in 1-2 hours of gaming in a day).

 

[TheChaos]

It's pretty much the type of games I want to play are already on console. The only PC game I actually want to play (Witcher II) may get a console port in the near-future anyways.

Yeah, and that happens BECAUSE consoles are succesful, so its not in the same argument im discusing.

Hopefully we'll see a shift in that though, thanks to Steam.

Don't count on it, unless the Japanese game industry suddenly changes their mind about the PC. =/

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Considering the fact that that console ports on the PC are almost always crap I find this hard to believe. And again, why would anyone build a PC based off the performance of a console, isn't this almost counter productive to what PC gaming is all about.

outright lie, check RE5, Mirror's edge and many more. you have no clue what you're talking about.
have these topics been covered?

comfy couch?
angular angles?
no real games?
screen too close?
too hard to use?

Im a software developer --- so I sit in front of 2 monitors at work all day. The last thing I want to do when I get home is be back in front of a computer. Ever since Steam got Mac support, I have downloaded a few small games here and there -- but Ive barely touched most of them, again, because I just dont want to be back in front of a monitor when Im not at work

woops, forgot this little gem. incredible sir, simply incredible.

 

[scy]

PC gamers are unable to see how PC gaming takes more time, money and "work" than console gaming.

Considering all of the PC gamers in this topic also have consoles AND have agreed that PC gaming has more effort involved ... I don't think so?

The PC just doesn't have enough games in enough genres.

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[thetrin]

It's pretty much the type of games I want to play are already on console. The only PC game I actually want to play (Witcher II) may get a console port in the near-future anyways.




Don't count on it, unless the Japanese game industry suddenly changes their mind about the PC. =/

Capcom recently stated publicly that they're putting more emphasis on PC development. I'd like to see other companies follow suit.

 

[mxgt]

PC gamers are unable to see how PC gaming takes more time, money and "work" than console gaming.

Consoles: buy a $299 console, pop it in the tv, play.

PC: figure out how you're going to set it up to your tv, do you have the space, does the game support controllers, is the game you want even on PC, then buy a new video card, check the specs, do you have free space to install it, is the game even running right...

The list is endless.

PC gaming = work, money and time so you can RELAX with a handful of games at 1080+p.
Console gaming = instant, cheap, hassle-free fun with more great games released a month than anyone could ever buy.

Even when I had friends that came over and did all the work setting up my PC, it still wasn't worth it. I would drop it in less than a week. The PC just doesn't have enough games in enough genres.

Yeah man it's not like most of the PC gamers here have consoles or anything.

 

[mbmonk]

The PC doesn't have enough games? This is a new one for me.

Yea. I have too many games on my PC. Someone needs to post a pic of one the mods steam account. Dude has like 300+ games on Steam. It was SICK.

 

[Kintaro]

All I really have to say is that this thread has been a real laugh riot. =)

 

[EternalGamer]

Yes. Steam has been a game changer. I loathed having to go through 15 minute installation procedures...needing to click next a dozen times. I hated needing to Google for the up to date patch of the game, which often times required I sign up for an account at such and such download site. I hated needing the disc in the drive.

Now? Double click to install a game. All my games are installed and on a massive 2TB HDD, ready to be launched at the click of a button. Patches are automatic. For the most part, I pick a game and play. The odd game, like The Witcher 2, makes me want to get the most out of it by tweaking it for around an hour before I play, but this is just personal preference.

Steam has also been a game changer in terms of variety of games that offered and are put right in front of you. All these cliches about PC games being only First Person Shooters and Real Time Strategy Games are null and void. Anyone who looks at the regular Steam deals would know this. Steam has made it way easier for smaller developers to get their great games with highly original concepts in the hands of gamers. There is way, way more original stuff on Steam than you will ever see on Xbox live Marketplace or PSN. And most of it is far cheaper.

 

[GlamFM]

Stuff like this.

 

[Timber]

Pretty much the same reason I'm not getting a PS3 or 3DS or whatever. I'm not even close to exhausting the systems I have right now so buying more of them is not justifiable. I already feel kinda guilty when I spend over 50 euros a month on games. It's just not worth it.

 

[thetrin]

Yea. I have too many games on my PC. Someone needs to post a pic of one the mods steam account. Dude has like 300+ games on Steam. It was SICK.

Yeah, it's evilore. His Steam library is PACKED.

 

[EternalGamer]

Yea. I have too many games on my PC. Someone needs to post a pic of one the mods steam account. Dude has like 300+ games on Steam. It was SICK.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more the answer all boil down to this:

1) Console only gamers don't recognize how expensive the hidden costs of their consoles are and how cheaply you can put together a good PC.

2) Console only gamers don't know about Steam.

That pretty much covers 90% of the complaints in this thread.

 

[scy]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more the answer all boil down to this:

1) Console only gamers don't recognize how expensive the hidden costs of their consoles are and how cheaply you can put together a good PC.

2) Console only gamers don't know about Steam.

That pretty much covers 90% of the complaints in this thread.

Also couches.

 

[TheExodu5]

PC gamers are unable to see how PC gaming takes more time, money and "work" than console gaming.

Consoles: buy a $299 console, pop it in the tv, play.

PC: figure out how you're going to set it up to your tv, do you have the space, does the game support controllers, is the game you want even on PC, then buy a new video card, check the specs, do you have free space to install it, is the game even running right...

The list is endless.

PC gaming = work, money and time so you can RELAX with a handful of games at 1080+p.
Console gaming = instant, cheap, hassle-free fun with more great games released a month than anyone could ever buy.

Even when I had friends that came over and did all the work setting up my PC, it still wasn't worth it. I would drop it in less than a week. The PC just doesn't have enough games in enough genres.

No. I see very well that it's more work to get a gaming PC up and running. However, once things are set up to your liking, it can surprisingly become much more convenient than console gaming. Background patching, no need to insert discs, short load times. Though, it can't be denied that the initial work needed to set up a gaming PC is substantial when compared to a console.

But seriously, you're overexaggerating.

figure out how you're going to set it up to your tv

By hooking it up with a cable! How exactly did you figure out how to set up your consoles? Did you get Geek Squad to install them?

Do you have the space?

Yes, I have a 2TB HDD that cost me $70. I don't need to worry about space for a long, long time. Do you not have to worry about space for PS3/360 game installs?

does the game support controllers

Takes about 10 seconds of research to find out.

is the game you want even on PC

I'm sorry, what? How is that an argument?

buy a new video card, check the specs, do you have free space to install it, is the game even running right...

Why would you need to buy a new video card? Checking the specs takes 5 seconds. I have a 2TB HDD, I have enough free space for my 400 Steam games, with room to spare. 99% of the time, the game runs fine. If not, I Google an issue or check the Steam forum and I have an answer within less than a minute.

 

[Salsa]

as good a chance as ever to bump my old thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=411010

since people here seem to be refering to just AAA titles.

almost every single one of those games aint available outside PC.

Independent devs choose PC, another reason why im there.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Eh? I'd say $600-700 is closer to the mark. $500 is lowballing it. The Witcher 2 is also quite demanding...it costs a lot of money to get 60 fps in that game. You'd need around $400-500 in a dual GPU setup alone to have any hope of maintaining 60fps.

Are you counting the OS?
500 nets you a Phenom II x4 955BE, 4GB ram, a 1TB HDD and a hd6870, only having to buy an am3 770 chipset mobo leaves you enough money for a decent case and even a nice am3 socket aftermarket cooler.
Provided you spend some time shopping around on newegg ofcourse.

That's plenty for most games, and should ultra spec in the witcher 2.

 

[EternalGamer]

Stuff like this.

You realize those are tweaking tips, right? Most of the people who buy that game COULD play it right out of the box if they wanted to at the standard console framerate of 30 frames per second. They just want to push it beyond that.

 

[Cheech]

All I really have to say is that this thread has been a real laugh riot. =)

I think it is kind of sad.

People who are passionate about gaming will want to play on PC if they can swing it.
People who love games but don't necessarily care about 1080p+ OMFG razor sharp textures no tearing 60+ fps etc. will game on console, because it is simply easier.

Not everybody has the same degree of interest or passion when it comes to gaming.

I was happy gaming on PC for many years, then went to 360. The 360 started looking long in the tooth to me last year, so I went back to PC gaming. I am not sure what I'll do when the next gen of consoles come along, but I very well might go back to console gaming.

It's not a religion, it's just a hobby. There are stamp collectors who buy expensive airtight display cases for their stamps, and some that just keep them in a box. One way isn't "better" than the other.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

snip regarding Frankfurt's post

No offense, but why even bother responding to that post? It reads like something out of Kotaku's comments section. People like this don't care about facts and get offended when you throw them in their face.

 

[Stat Flow]

Convenience and console exclusives. The two friends I play online games with wouldn't be bothered to get Gaming-Capable PC's.

 

[mbmonk]

Stuff like this.

Wow. He sunk our battleship with this post......

Is there a sarcasm tag I can use?

 

[TheExodu5]

Yea. I have too many games on my PC. Someone needs to post a pic of one the mods steam account. Dude has like 300+ games on Steam. It was SICK.

EviLore has well over 500 games.

 

[jergrah]

Same with me, but there are some games that I will sacrafice and sit in front of the computer in my off time ( mostly FPS's with Dedicated Servers ), but I also have a recliner in the same room with my PC and a 360 controller. So if I want to play a game I can recline and enjoy it, if it supports the 360 pad.

But I play a ton of games on my PS3 as well. They scratch different inches for me to a large degree.

EDIT: Tonight I am hooking up my PS3 to my projector and playing some MK9.... wife is out of town and the house is MINE!!!!

Haha -- nice! Im in the same boat....my wife is out of town so tonight I will have the full wheel setup going with the sound blasted while I play GT5, Shift 2 and Dirt 2 non-stop

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

PC gamers are unable to see how PC gaming takes more time, money and "work" than console gaming.

Consoles: buy a $299 console, pop it in the tv, play.

PC: figure out how you're going to set it up to your tv, do you have the space, does the game support controllers, is the game you want even on PC, then buy a new video card, check the specs, do you have free space to install it, is the game even running right...

The list is endless.

PC gaming = work, money and time so you can RELAX with a handful of games at 1080+p.
Console gaming = instant, cheap, hassle-free fun with more great games released a month than anyone could ever buy.

Even when I had friends that came over and did all the work setting up my PC, it still wasn't worth it. I would drop it in less than a week. The PC just doesn't have enough games in enough genres.

I'm wondering how you are even able to type on whatever decive it is you're usaing right now. I wonder when consoles next gen turn more into aPC will you be able to handle that?
why are these topics always made? just so console gamers can feel good about their lack of tech know how?

 

[Muffdraul]

I've always been a console gamer, but I was a PC gamer too from about 1994 to 2006 or so. The last time I upgraded was in 2003, to get ready for Doom 3 and Half Life 2. Around the time Crysis 1 came out, I knew I had to upgrade again, or stop. I intended to upgrade, but I still haven't done it. I've been console-only for the last five years or so and my world hasn't ended. I guess I'm just not as hardcore as I used to be. Gettin' old.