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Console only gamers, what keeps you from PC Gaming?

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delta25 said:
Look these game up and you'll see that they all suffer from being ported badly over to the PC in some shape or forum.

These are just a few that I can come up with off the top of my head.

list: Bulletstorm
Brink
Homefront
Hrdophbia
GTA 4
Resident evil 4
Dead space
Call of duty 2
Call of duty: Black ops
Halo CE

Wow.

You couldn't even do enough research to find out about bad ports like Saint's Row 2 or Mercenaries 2? It's funny, because those two are probably the first recent examples that would pop into anyone's mind...if, you know, they actually have the least bit of knowledge of PC gaming.

I wonder how long before you start pretending you were just trolling the whole time?
 
iconoclast said:
But competition is fun.

It's always something special when people rationalize their inability to deal with failure by slamming those that enjoy failing, learning, and getting better at skill-based games.

Obviously, those guys that play Street Fighter every day and learn all those moves and shit are doing homework! Those people that play Starcraft 2 every day and learn all those build orders are wasting their time!

Insanity.
 
StevieP said:
1. http://www.google.ca/search?q=HTPC ...&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1899&bih=958

Personally, I have one of these:
G]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/Jo3f1sh/PC%20Stuff/DSCF0279.jpg[/IMG]

(Smaller than your typical amp, and it is full ATX which means I've got terabytes of space, and dual-gpu)

2. Anything you buy for $600-1000 will curb-stomp any console put out in the next 4 years, PS4/720/Cafe included.

3. It's called a USB port.

Where do I buy one pre-built, though? All I see on the gaming PC sites are fugly neon monstrosities.

What do mean by USB, a dongle? I hate wired controllers with a fiery passion.
 
Tobor said:
Where do I buy one pre-built, though? All I see on the gaming PC sites are fugly neon monstrosities.

What do mean by USB, a dongle? I hate wired controllers with a fiery passion.

PS3 controllers can use a bluetooth dongle, and 360 controllers have that one dongle but I've heard that it has issues with breaking?
 
Tobor said:
Where do I buy one pre-built, though? All I see on the gaming PC sites are fugly neon monstrosities.

What do mean by USB, a dongle? I hate wired controllers with a fiery passion.

The prebuilt thing is entirely dependant on your area. I know that here in Toronto (or anywhere in Canada, for that matter) NCIX.com has very competetive prices, matches competitors (so pricebat.ca and shopbot.ca are wonderful in that regard), and for $50 on top of any list of parts they will pre-build it for you based on the parts you've selected. If you're talking places like Alienware, nah... don't bother with that. Those green monstrosities don't deserve a second look. It's like buying a monster cable.

As for wireless? Well... your USB port can do anything you please, be it wired or wireless. My motherboard actually has a bluetooth dongle built in and all I have to do is sync my wireless controllers to it, if they support bluetooth. A wireless 360 pad works just as well. Just plug in the wireless dongle into the USB port. Done.

it is still a pc

If you have a PC that's worth more than $3, it will obviously work better with it. Fact is, even with the low-mid-end GPUs out there today, CoD games look far better on PC. Not that they're demanding at all, seeing as though they're running on an ancient engine.
 
delta25 said:
Look these game up and you'll see that they all suffer from being ported badly over to the PC in some shape or forum.

These are just a few that I can come up with off the top of my head.

list: Bulletstorm
Brink
Homefront
Hrdophbia
GTA 4
Resident evil 4
Dead space
Call of duty 2
Call of duty: Black ops
Halo CE

None of those games require patching or tweaking to get them running better than the console versions with a 4850, besides Resident Evil 4, but that's a last gen Japanese PC port...not exactly a good example of the market today.
 
Ysiadmihi said:
Wow.

You couldn't even do enough research to find out about bad ports like Saint's Row 2 or Mercenaries 2? It's funny, because those two are probably the first recent examples that would pop into anyone's mind...if, you know, they actually have the least bit of knowledge of PC gaming.

I wonder how long before you start pretending you were just trolling the whole time?



Relax man, for somebody so sure of himself/herself you seem pretty adamant on proving me wrong.
 
I'm just to ignorant and/or lazy to research how to build one, what parts are the best, etc.
plus the lack of money and mobility.

One day though, when things are stable.
 
I have played many PC games throughout the years, but I play less these days because so many games are multiplatform. I can rent and trade in the console versions. Mods and total conversions seem to be less and less common (where the fuck is Black Mesa Source?). A lot of the reasons I had to go with PC have vanished over the years. And paying $60 for a console port is hilarious when I can just GameFly it or buy it and then trade it in on 360.
 
I had to ask and answer the OP question just the other day.

Simple minded for the simple folk.
Basically.
Black and white,... with maybe shades of grey,lol

My computer has been playing up for a while and since i had some spare cash, and i thought now would be a great time to Build or Buy a Gaming rig.

Ever since i watched (and still do) ARMA/II vids on youtube etc, i've always dreamed of having a com (a good one) to run that game. I knew if anything was gunna convience me to convert to Pc Gaming, it'll be ARMA. That, looks like the best War Shooter around (imo).

So here i am, with money in my bank searching sites etc picturing whats best to get.
But, it dawned on me.
Why,
ffs, i just wanted to play a game!
Not worry about what Cpu, Gpu, Psu, Mem, Motherboard, Cooling, Tower, Keyboard mouse...etc
And then, the latest news while i was searching popped up. ARMA III 2012.
Then and instant thought accured, what would that be like, could my com that i'm doing/buying run that.
oh.....ffs, a game.
A game!,
is what i wanted to think about, not building/buying a computer.
Gaming should be focused on what it's meant to be. Gaming.

Then i looked at my Ps3 and remembering how easy Consoles Gens are.
You buy one, and that's it for 5+ years.
It'll do you for any game that's created for that machine.
Simple.
Then i started to relax and realised my little mind cant take this shit.....

So, i bought a laptop for my computing needs.
And so, i'll be sticking with the Consoles.

ARMA will just have to remain a fantasy.
Like that hot chick down the road, that you know you'll never touch or try too, as you're happily married with children but still doesnt stop ya from having fantasies.
 
delta25 said:
Sorry I meant to say modern warfare 2.

What's wrong with Modern Warfare 2? I'll actually concede Black Ops...performance was ridiculous compared to MW2, but MW2 was a perfect port...it even brought matchmaking over with it (lol)! It ran at about 200fps at 1080p with my GTX 275 and C2Q 3.0GHz.
 
delta25 said:
Relax man, for somebody so sure of himself/herself you seem pretty adamant on proving me wrong.

There's the high road again!

I don't think you need me to do that when you listed Dead Space as a "terrible console port" when it's one of the most well optimized PC games there is.
 
StevieP said:
If you have a PC that's worth more than $3, it will obviously work better with it. Fact is, even with the low-mid-end GPUs out there today, CoD games look far better on PC. Not that they're demanding at all, seeing as though they're running on an ancient engine.

i can play The Witcher with a 3 dollar pc? call me convereted!
 
Ysiadmihi said:
I don't think you need me to do that when you listed Dead Space as a "terrible console port" when it's one of the most well optimized PC games there is.

It does have one issue: it's implementation of vsync. Still...fixed in about 15 seconds.
 
Linconan said:
I had to ask and answer the OP question just the other day.

Simple minded for the simple folk.
Basically.
Black and white,... with maybe shades of grey,lol

My computer has been playing up for a while and since i had some spare cash, and i thought now would be a great time to Build or Buy a Gaming rig.

Ever since i watched (and still do) ARMA/II vids on youtube etc, i've always dreamed of having a com (a good one) to run that game. I knew if anything was gunna convience me to convert to Pc Gaming, it'll be ARMA. That, looks like the best War Shooter around (imo).

So here i am, with money in my bank searching sites etc picturing whats best to get.
But, it dawned on me.
Why,
ffs, i just wanted to play a game!
Not worry about what Cpu, Gpu, Psu, Mem, Motherboard, Cooling, Tower, Keyboard mouse...etc
And then, the latest news while i was searching popped up. ARMA III 2012.
Then and instant thought accured, what would that be like, could my com that i'm doing/buying run that.
oh.....ffs, a game.
A game!,
is what i wanted to think about, not building/buying a computer.
Gaming should be focused on what it's meant to be. Gaming.

Then i looked at my Ps3 and remembering how easy Consoles Gens are.
You buy one, and that's it for 5+ years.
It'll do you for any game that's created for that machine.
Simple.
Then i started to relax and realised my little mind cant take this shit.....

So, i bought a laptop for my computing needs.
And so, i'll be sticking with the Consoles.

ARMA will just have to remain a fantasy.
Like that hot chick down the road, that you know you'll never touch or try too, as you're happily married with children but still doesnt stop ya from having fantasies.

Is it really that much effort, though? Sure, if you know absolutely nothing, it might take a week or so of researching stuff after work, but once you've figured everything out and built your own computer, you're set. You won't have to worry about shit, and you'll have gained a bunch of knowledge about computers and what goes inside them. I don't know about anyone else here, but I don't spend my time messing with hardware when I get home. Outside of the initial setup and the occasional part replacement, I just play games. I boot up Steam and go.

The initial hours you spend is so worth it when the end result provides you with joy for years.
 
delta25 said:
Look these game up and you'll see that they all suffer from being ported badly over to the PC in some shape or forum.

These are just a few that I can come up with off the top of my head.

list: Bulletstorm
Brink
Homefront
Hrdophbia
GTA 4
Resident evil 4
Dead space
Call of duty 2
Call of duty: Black ops
Halo CE

My hardware: 3.5 year old pc, 3 ghz 3 core, hd4870.

Bulletstorm: 30-40 fps maxed out before the patch, now 50+, no other problems.
Obviously looks far better than the console version, and the 30-40 fps was still smoother than what you get on xbox.

Brink: performance problems for ATI cards, took a week to fix for people with my card (way too long!), turning off SSAO = 50-60 fps with my card maxed.
Online play is smooth.

The console version meanwhile suffers from horrific lag problems, people keep describing it as a slideshow and can't get in a game with more than 2-3 other players because the matchmaking is bad and keeps making botmatches.

Homefront: ran at 20-30fps on medium for a month on my pc (nvidia users had no problems), a patch finally came, now I max it at 60 fps.
No other problems other than shoddy quality of the game design itself.
The long time it took for patching makes this a terrible port indeed.

Hydrophobia: no clue I don't have it.

GTA4: Required more powerful hardware than people expected, 'low' fps on dual cores (still over 30 , more than console versions which has a very poor framerate).
Detail settings (especially the draw distance! and also the texture quality) are much much higher than on the console version ,explaining much of the increased hardware reqs.

The game looks phenomenal on pc, but lacks proper AA support (that and the performance causes people to call it a bad port).

In the end it ran much smoother at much higher settings on a decent pc than on consoles, it runs well on my pc too.
With mods it looks insane : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuCqLJtpuOs
Yes this is gta4 if you can still recognise it, no it won't look that good on ps4.

The pc version puts the console version to shame in every way, I own both the 360 and pc versions btw.

Resident evil 4 : no mouse support LOL, patched in by community afterwards.
An embarrasing (old) port indeed.

Dead space: input lag caused by vsync: turn v sync off there is no problem (you can enable it through an external prog too if you really want it, without the lag).
Other than this small issue that caused a lot of idiots to rave, it runs like a dream and looks really good.
I get 60-100 fps on my card maxed out 1080p 4xmsaa!

COD2 : ran fine for me back in the day on a mid range card, I don't see the issue.

Blops: a joke performance wise on pc, people barely getting 30-40 fps on decent pcs, dno if it has been fixed.
The game saw an equally terrible port to ps3 (even worse).

Halo CE: ran well, looked amazing, netcode was a DISASTER.
To be fair, netcode when playing p2p online on my xbox (yet it was possible , emulated lan through pc) was terrible too.


That's a pretty poor list that you have there with only 2 games qualifying, 2 ancient games (halo and resi 4).
You just confirm that you aren't listening to anyone, because I have to explain for the umpteenth time what qualifies as a bad port on pc, by pc standards.
Our bad port is console wet dream.

A little bonus: http://www.youtube.com/user/fonia5#p/u/0/qFY9XeoFiIo
 
I have a crappy laptop
There are far too many hardware options if you want a real gaming PC
Too expensive hardware, especially if you always want the best
Too much hassle to get it all to work
I like platforming, action and adventure games and don't like mouse controls
I dont play FPS
I have a history of piracy (C64, Amiga) and the simplicity of piracy on PC would most likely end me up as a pirate downloading every single game just to collect and do a quick test rather than playing them
 
Zefah said:
Is it really that much effort, though? Sure, if you know absolutely nothing, it might take a week or so of researching stuff after work, but once you've figured everything out and built your own computer, you're set. You won't have to worry about shit, and you'll have gained a bunch of knowledge about computers and what goes inside them. I don't know about anyone else here, but I don't spend my time messing with hardware when I get home. Outside of the initial setup and the occasional part replacement, I just play games. I boot up Steam and go.

The initial hours you spend is so worth it when the end result provides you with joy for years.
My consoles have been providing me with plenty of joy for more than 20 years now.
 
Not having the money is the only thing that's stopping me. I've been into pc gaming, but I never had the chance to really get into it. I remember buying Battlefield 2 with no knowledge of pc's and wondered why it couldn't play. My bro ended up getting some super cheap video card for it and I was able to play it on low lol. That's when I really got into understand pc hardware and made me want to get more into gaming but never had the chance.

I honestly think that if I had a gaming pc, I might not want to get another console. Yea I'd miss out on the exclusives but I'm sure I'd manage. Seeing things like mods that make some games look and play a whole different way than it was intended is really cool and is something I really want to experience. Plus as someone who occasionally use Steam, I hate missing out on a lot of the amazing deals they have since I can't run them.

If I can start working this summer, I'd start saving up to get one later this year.
 
It's pretty much money. If I had the money, then I would build myself a rig like I've wanted and swan-dived into PC gaming. The more gaming the better!
 
It's interesting looking through this thread that many PC gamers point out that they put together rigs for $800 or less and it's so much better than a console.

Most people don't want to put together a PC. They want to take a machine out of the box, plug it up, put a disk in and play games for 4 or 5 years before they need to replace the machine.

They don't want to find out later that they skimped on a video card or CPU and that they could have got an AMD Quad core instead.

They don't want to do research first to find out which components to buy

They don't want to ponder the fact that Witcher 2 has certain low settings that can tax the system more than ultra settings, or that the system suggested low settings but actually can be run at high settings. They might have (GASP) believed the system's advice.

They don't want to install a program that automates the use of a PS3 or 360 controller on their PC.

They don't want to pay $400 for a PC to emulate the console experience at a 1:1 ratio, or buy 360 controllers (that come with 360s) for their PC

They don't want to figure out if this CPU has the right socket type for this motherboard

They don't want to pay $1500-$2000 for a pre assembled PC to do what a $700 DIY PC can do.
***********

They do want to put in a disc and play. As long as the games are fun and look "good enough".

They do want to play NCAA Football or Rock Band or Mario Kart with 3 other people in the same room

They do want their kids to be able to play games without running across their internet porn account.

They can do all of that without having anything against PC gaming (which is great) but simply because Console gaming is more in step with their lifestyle.
 
SneakyStephan said:
24-30 fps, screen tearing out the wazoo, fuzzy low resolution IQ, TAA/MLAA further giving that -3 -3 vision effect (glasses gaf will get this) , laggy multiplayer, shoddy slow matchmaking.

The competition for these shoddy ports on their original platform is so poor that they are still a better alternative to it.
That does not mean that pc gamers are happy with the quality they get from developers.

Gaming is more than graphics. Much more than graphics. It's like... 10% of the experience.

That's why I want a PC resurgence so strong that all the best creative minds in the industry will want to work on the platform again. Games that are both on console and PC are almost universally better on PC, and there's a number of excellent PC exclusives, but missing out on Metro 2033 or Magicka or Shogun 2 doesn't equal, in my book, having to give up on Shadow of the Colossus, NSMB, Red Dead Redemption, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Vagrant Story, Super Mario Galaxy, Uncharted, Mortal Kombat, etc etc etc.

PC is definitely the best platform. It just doesn't get the best games, and we're all poorer because of that.
 
Hey console gamers, you know how you go into the store and you hear non-gamers like parents talking cluelessly about just wanting a game for the "Nintendo" and not understanding all this complex stuff like "harddrives"?

Or how they seem so confused at things that seem so obvious to you?

That is what you look like to PC gamers. This shit really isn't that hard, guys. You visit like two websites and you know where hardware stands:

www.tomshardware.com
www.techreport.com

The former even does monthly updates on the best cards for the money at the moment for whatever price range you are looking for. It even includes links to where you can buy them.

You guys complaining about how complicated PC gaming is sound like grandmas.
 
Ocellatus said:
It's interesting looking through this thread that many PC gamers point out that they put together rigs for $800 or less and it's so much better than a console.

Most people don't want to put together a PC. They want to take a machine out of the box, plug it up, put a disk in and play games for 4 or 5 years before they need to replace the machine.

They don't want to find out later that they skimped on a video card or CPU and that they could have got an AMD Quad core instead.

They don't want to do research first to find out which components to buy

They don't want to ponder the fact that Witcher 2 has certain low settings that can tax the system more than ultra settings, or that the system suggested low settings but actually can be run at high settings. They might have (GASP) believed the system's advice.

They don't want to install a program that automates the use of a PS3 or 360 controller on their PC.

They don't want to pay $400 for a PC to emulate the console experience at a 1:1 ratio, or buy 360 controllers (that come with 360s) for their PC

They don't want to figure out if this CPU has the right socket type for this motherboard

They don't want to pay $1500-$2000 for a pre assembled PC to do what a $700 DIY PC can do.
***********

They do want to put in a disc and play. As long as the games are fun and look "good enough".

They do want to play NCAA Football or Rock Band or Mario Kart with 3 other people in the same room

They do want their kids to be able to play games without running across their internet porn account.

They can do all of that without having anything against PC gaming (which is great) but simply because Console gaming is more in step with their lifestyle.
So basically some people are super lazy and don't want to put a little bit of effort to get the best experience possible. I can accept that.
 
You can buy the PC parts off the web and have a shop assemble the machine for a small charge. Some sites you buy parts from will assemble the machine for you for like 50 bucks.
 
TL;DR? Highlights are in boldface.

I feel should start by saying that I think the PC/Console argument bears similarity to the PC/Mac argument. I think "Mac People" (people who prefer their machines be functional and easy to use vs. expandable or technically superior) have a lot in common with the Console Crowd, and the PC crowd in both cases scoff at the other as being inferior. I see a lot of comments in this thread about being able to just open a box, plug in a console, and play games, which reminds me of the old instructions for the iMacs; open box, plug in, go.

I also sorted the list so that personal preferences are at the bottom while hard, technical differences are mentioned first.... so... yeah, have fun reading my giant post.

1. Locked Specs
When I buy a console, that console's specs will remain the same throughout it's lifespan. All software made for that console will run on that console from launch day to the day the console dies, guaranteed. With a PC, you have no guarantee that the next big game you want will run on your system. Sure, you can upgrade a PC, but I like knowing that I don't have to do that with a console. My gaming purchases are dictated by game content, not whether I meet the system requirements.


2. Single System Development
Storage options not withstanding, all consoles are identical, or built so that any variances in the system architecture are unnoticeable. PCs, on the other hand, can be any of a hundred different brands with a hundred different hardware configurations running a hundred different software setups. That's not counting people who build their own, who will have pieces from a hundred different places.

Because there's just One Console, there's never a chance that Game XYZ will have issues because some random hardware/software has a conflict. The console is closed and all software runs on it at the same quality level. With a PC game, your experience can vary if the architecture is just a little off or you have some piece of software installed that has a conflict.


3. Singular Purpose
While a lot of consoles are starting to become multi-purpose, for the most part you can only do one thing at a time on a gaming console. Yeah, you can stream movies, listen to MP3s, update facebook and browse the web from your console, but generally those things stop as soon as you start playing the game (music being the exception, more on that in a second).

Apart from friends logging in and out and sending you game-related messages, all of that other stuff doesn't intrude into the game experience. There's no Alt-tabbing on a console to take you out of the experience (and that's the way most people want it, considering the amount of complaints when achievement messages pop up at inappropriate times.) You can't run a console game in windowed mode and have other stuff going on around it. This makes for a more immersive experience and you're much more likely to sit and become engrossed in the experience if there aren't little distractions constantly intruding.

I personally would prefer to see less of the all-in-one-media-center approach that Sony started. I'm against allowing players to play their own music over the game's audio as I think that has a detrimental effect on the experience (would you go to a theater and then listen to an MP3 player while you watch?).


4. Comfort.
Yeah yeah, some people have their PCs in their living room, so the whole "I can play it from the comfort of my couch" argument is total bullshit, right?

I hate to break it to the PC "Master Race", but most people don't, and I'm one of them. My PC sits at a desk in the second bedroom, with a desk chair and a desk lamp. So does my wife's. As does everyone in my family's PCs. In fact, I don't know a single person who keeps a gaming quality PC in their living room, even people who are exclusively PC gamers.

A console is a gaming machine designed to be hooked to a TV, and TVs are often positioned in the most comfortable places in the home. You can pick up a controller, lean back on a comfy couch and game on a big screen with pleasant lighting. Sure, some highfalutin PC Gamers can do the same, but for the majority of people, PC gaming means sitting at a desk, in a desk chair, with harsh lighting and a standardized PC monitor, like most of them do for 8 hours a day at work.

For example, I've been playing Terraria on Steam for 32 of the past 72 hours this week. I've had similar marathon gaming sessions before, but I've never felt them in the neck and shoulders like this.


5. Controller
I'm not knocking keyboards anymore than I'm knocking refrigerators; they're just part of modern living and they can be just as comfortable as and even more functional than a console controller. Likewise, a mouse is a precision input device second to none.

That said, a console controller is not without it's charms. It's built for one thing, so it does that one thing amazingly well. All of the buttons are placed perfectly, they're comfortable to hold, use in multiple positions (ever try typing laying on your stomach?), and despite having fewer buttons than a keyboard, controllers give you all the options you need.

I've never thought of my keyboard as an extension of myself, but I've held controllers (hello, Gamecube) where I don't even think about what buttons I have to press. If I don't play a game for a while, I don't have to worry that I won't remember the key bindings.

And yes, I am aware that a lot of PC users have controllers. I have one too. I don't use it very often.


6. Exclusive Software
I realize this is entirely a personal preference since I am not a fan of the RTS games, but there are only handful of times where I've wanted to play a game that was PC only, most of them MMOs. I also know that a lot of console games (especially on the HD side) tend to launch with PC versions or have PC releases shortly thereafter.

That said, there are just as many times when that is not the case, and I personally find that the games I want to play are often console exclusives. I think that we'll probably see a blurring of the lines, but there will still be quite a few more exclusives for the consoles than PCs (like everything Nintendo does). I also think we'll see less PC-exclusive games in the future, as even MMOs are starting to transition over.


7. Roots
Completely personal preference, but that's what this thread is asking for. I can remember being 3 or 4 years old with an Atari 2600 Joystick in my hand and I plan to be holding a console controller until the day I kick the Fuckbucket (you know the one, from Crystal Chronicles that somebody always gets stuck lugging around). I can't think of a time in my life when I didn't own at least one current gaming console, or a time when I didn't lovingly dust my proudly-displayed collection and reflect on all the memories. It's what I grew up with, rather than PC gaming, and that's probably a big part of why I prefer consoles.

For those who stuck it out all the way to the bottom of my post, here's a humorous image of a squirrel ninja..
 
Ocellatus said:
It's interesting looking through this thread that many PC gamers point out that they put together rigs for $800 or less and it's so much better than a console.

Most people don't want to put together a PC. They want to take a machine out of the box, plug it up, put a disk in and play games for 4 or 5 years before they need to replace the machine.

They don't want to find out later that they skimped on a video card or CPU and that they could have got an AMD Quad core instead.

They don't want to do research first to find out which components to buy

They don't want to ponder the fact that Witcher 2 has certain low settings that can tax the system more than ultra settings, or that the system suggested low settings but actually can be run at high settings. They might have (GASP) believed the system's advice.

They don't want to install a program that automates the use of a PS3 or 360 controller on their PC.

They don't want to pay $400 for a PC to emulate the console experience at a 1:1 ratio, or buy 360 controllers (that come with 360s) for their PC

They don't want to figure out if this CPU has the right socket type for this motherboard

They don't want to pay $1500-$2000 for a pre assembled PC to do what a $700 DIY PC can do.
***********

They do want to put in a disc and play. As long as the games are fun and look "good enough".

They do want to play NCAA Football or Rock Band or Mario Kart with 3 other people in the same room

They do want their kids to be able to play games without running across their internet porn account.

They can do all of that without having anything against PC gaming (which is great) but simply because Console gaming is more in step with their lifestyle.

Good points mixed with some rubbish.

Overall I think ease of use is a valid answer. With the emergence of Steam it's just much less of a problem on the software side. Hardware side, I build my own so I don't know what the prebuilt machines run cost wise and the markup related to them.
 
I'd still bring up the argument for consoles I made a page or so back: working and playing on a closed system has some (psychological and not) benefits for both gamers and developers.
 
Currently saving for a gaming PC, but the reasons are pretty obvious.

Note: I see no reason for buying a gaming PC that isn't rather beastly. If your "gaming" PC isn't able to max everything out, to a reasonable level (meaning highest details + some AA at 1080p) I consider it wasted money.
If you buy gaming PCs for a different reason, these reasons won't apply to your situation.


1. Money. It only takes 1 week's paycheck to buy a console, two to buy a decent TV, and another to buy games and peripherals. In one month I can completely max out my console experience.
In that same month, I cover less than half the price of a gaming PC experience, which includes a PC + Monitor + Games + Peripherals (Mouse, Keyboard, Mic, 5.1 minimum).


2. Gaming. Most of the PC-exclusive genres don't interest me; they're niche and exclusive for a reason. RTS's are incredibly boring outside of a handful, I see absolutely no reason to play adventure games, every MMO ever made is a janky mess, and most of my favorite genres never show up on PCs outside of ports (which I can get on a console).
Obviously the games look insanely better on a PC. I'll admit I'm a graphics whore just like every other PC gamer, but graphics aren't really enough to overcome the ease of a console for most people.


3. Hassle. Most people immediately think of viruses, which are basically non-existent for consoles. There's also the annoyance of shopping around for various pieces, hoping they come in working appropriately, and putting the machine together (or finding amazing pre-built systems, rarely...); though admittedly many people also enjoy that aspect.
The biggest hassle in my personal experience is the frustration regarding when to buy hardware. Consoles are easy to guess; they won't go bad until the next generation. PC hardware, though, makes a gazillion revisions each console life, and year A's beast machine is pathetic compared to year B's beast machine; and then your previously-awesome computer is left behind, whereas consoles simply improve.


4. Sociability. I know like... 5 people with gaming PCs versus a gazillion with consoles.



This is all personal opinion, obviously.
 
Shambles said:
Ughhhhh, does not compute. How does a 400$ PC + a 300$ console + the 20-40$ price premium/console game (Unless you are a day 1 buyer) < a 600$ PC? The reason why these threads are so painful is because out of the few valid reasons some people prefer console over PC, they are almost never the ones being actively discussed. My console setup this generation has cost me more than my PC setup, if anything PC gaming tends to be cheaper overall, especially once you get past the initial build where you have the one time costs for the case, PSU, OS, KB/M/Pad. After the first build all your really tend to replace is the MB/CPU/Motherboard and potentially memory.

You do realize I am not ignorant don't you.

I am an electrical engineer and every PC I have ever owned I have built. It is not a difficult process and takes less than 2 hours software and all.

But, to create a PC that is capable of running the top end games the way they were meant to look takes a good processor, RAM with a nice bus speed, and a good graphics card.

When you add those devices together console gaming is cheaper.

You can try upgrading your computer over time, but it isn't too long before your CPU socket on your motherboard is no longer supported. At that point you might as well completely rebuild.
 
VisanidethDM said:
I'd still bring up the argument for consoles I made a page or so back: working and playing on a closed system has some (psychological and not) benefits for both gamers and developers.

Pluses and minuses just like everything else.

PC gamers don't pay for online. PSN got hacked and it rendered ALL the online game modes for my PS3 games useless for almost a month.

Pluses and minuses...
 
I enjoy PC and Xbox but find myself playing more and more Xbox for one reason only. This is sad but I love the achievments on LIVE. I don't know why but something about them points just makes me want to play play play. Trophies don't do it and Steam achieves don't do it. Something about the point value on LIVE i love
 
All of the youngins here assume that we're all 20 and have grown up playing consoles. Most of my friends started gaming on C64 and Amiga and later experienced the "bliss" of Sound Blaster and voodoo cards. I just don't want to deal with that anymore. Steam has become a great over the years but not good enough for me to worry about upgrading my 4 year old PC. I have a macbook for productivity.
 
Dunk#7 said:
You do realize I am not ignorant don't you.

I am an electrical engineer and every PC I have ever owned I have built. It is not a difficult process and takes less than 2 hours software and all.

But, to create a PC that is capable of running the top end games the way they were meant to look takes a good processor, RAM with a nice bus speed, and a good graphics card.

When you add those devices together console gaming is cheaper.

You can try upgrading your computer over time, but it isn't too long before your CPU socket on your motherboard is no longer supported. At that point you might as well completely rebuild.

No it's not because when you say "meant to be played" you are making a huge assumption. Even a low end system will play the same games at higher resolution/framerate than its console counterpart.

And that is not considering all the extra hidden costs with console gaming. You pay an extra $10 premium for every game you buy (much of the time you pay more than that). If you are on 360, you pay $60 a year to play games online. You have to upgrade harddrives at premium prices. Buy battery packs and extra controllers. And the systems don't even come with HD cables. And if any part of your system ever breaks, you can't just fix it like you can with a PC, you have to buy a new one flat out because everything is proprietary.

The initial cost of entry may be slightly cheaper, but in the long run, consoles are not cheaper. Especially when you through in the amazing deals on Steam.
 
I think what PC guys don't get is that in many cases, we know exactly how to do all that stuff. We just don't want to.

We don't want to spend time on research or construction that could be spent actually gaming.
 
I don't play many games on PC for several reasons. In the past I've tried installing games and at times it was an absolute nightmare in regards to compatibility. I'm sure people more savy than myself have no problems with this, but I rather enjoy just being able to pop a disc in and not worry about it.

Another reason is because I generally do not enjoy most of the genres best represented on the platform (RTS, FPS, WRPG, etc.)
 
Dunk#7 said:
You do realize I am not ignorant don't you.

I am an electrical engineer and every PC I have ever owned I have built. It is not a difficult process and takes less than 2 hours software and all.

But, to create a PC that is capable of running the top end games the way they were meant to look takes a good processor, RAM with a nice bus speed, and a good graphics card.

When you add those devices together console gaming is cheaper.

You can try upgrading your computer over time, but it isn't too long before your CPU socket on your motherboard is no longer supported. At that point you might as well completely rebuild.

The bolded underlined part tells me you are speaking to us from a 199x - early 200x timewarp.

The price difference between a console and a really good pc is 300 dollars atm.
Take the large price difference of the cost of games and stuff like xbox live and you start making a profit within 2 years if not less.
 
Did... did someone really just list Brink as an example of a game that was poorly ported from console to PC?

Brink?

I don't think anyone in their right mind would rather play Brink on a console than on the PC, no matter how controllery their controller or comfy their comfy couch.

Or how angular its angles are on PC.

EDIT:

Dunk#7 said:
But, to create a PC that is capable of running the top end games the way they were meant to look takes a good processor, RAM with a nice bus speed, and a good graphics card.

When you add those devices together console gaming is cheaper.

Arguably true in the short term at the start of a console generation.

At this point in the generation, no, it is in no way cheaper to buy a midrange PC and a console than it is to buy a midrange PC with a midrange graphics card and outperform that same console.
 
EternalGamer said:
Hey console gamers, you know how you go into the store and you hear non-gamers like parents talking cluelessly about just wanting a game for the "Nintendo" and not understanding all this complex stuff like "harddrives"?

Or how they seem so confused at things that seem so obvious to you?

That is what you look like to PC gamers. This shit really isn't that hard, guys. You visit like two websites and you know where hardware stands:

www.tomshardware.com
www.techreport.com

The former even does monthly updates on the best cards for the money at the moment for whatever price range you are looking for. It even includes links to where you can buy them.

You guys complaining about how complicated PC gaming is sound like grandmas.


As long as they arent the same guys ragging on the "non-gamers" then its not a big deal. But the irony is thick as hell when someone says PC gaming is to complicated, then rags on old grandpas for keeping Wiiplay at the top of NPD charts for a year because its so "simplistic" and "dumbed down".
 
Dang. To be fair, before going PC I did share some of the feelings in this thread.

Compatibility seems to be a big complaint. Sure, this may be the case if you're saddled with old hardware, but I have yet to have this problem. STEAM helps a lot, this is my process: look at game on store, buy and install game, play game. That's it.

I haven't installed a game then had a MASSIVE DRIVER ERROR and hours of trouble shooting to make it work. With a few exceptions, you're only gonna run into that if you're trying to run old games that aren't compatible with W7. The times have changed and if anything, the only headaches come from trying to improved older/flawed games with mods, which is something that's not even possible on consoles.

Controls? Shit, controls are better than ever on PC. Most newer games support a gamepad, and not just one gamepad, but almost any damn gamepad you have. It's awesome because I use my PS3 pad with MotionInJoy and with that program, I can fully remap the controls for ANY game that supports a pad. How badass is that? On on top of that, KB/M controls are objectively superior for many genres and it seems a good share of gamers have an irrational fear of them. The most important thing is that the CHOICE is there.

Some people try to deflect the superior graphics and optimization argument by saying some crap like "well, all I care about is fun". Well guess what, dumbass, fun is completely unrelated to those things. High resolution and smooth framerate only enhance that magical sense of fun contained in the game.

Price is probably the most convincing argument, since the initial cost is high (like 1.3K for everything for me), but if you buy a lot of games it will pay off in the end considering the prices you can get games for on STEAM and other DD services. I've paid as low as $2.50 for great games with 50+ hours with of content. I shudder to think of all the money I wasted on $60 console games that I hardly even played.

Anyways, just my thoughts. When I first signed up for GAF I kinda did get angry at the people championing PC gaming over console gaming, but over time I started to see the light, and now that I have one of my own: I want to be a PC gamer for life. Thanks for that, GAF.
 
VisanidethDM said:
Gaming is more than graphics. Much more than graphics. It's like... 10% of the experience.

That's why I want a PC resurgence so strong that all the best creative minds in the industry will want to work on the platform again. Games that are both on console and PC are almost universally better on PC, and there's a number of excellent PC exclusives, but missing out on Metro 2033 or Magicka or Shogun 2 doesn't equal, in my book, having to give up on Shadow of the Colossus, NSMB, Red Dead Redemption, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Vagrant Story, Super Mario Galaxy, Uncharted, Mortal Kombat, etc etc etc.

PC is definitely the best platform. It just doesn't get the best games, and we're all poorer because of that.
Metro 2033 came out on 360, actually. But your point still stands.
 
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