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Console only gamers, what keeps you from PC Gaming?
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daCuk said:
Okay, well... you've got Zelda to look forward to, and then I guess you're done with console gaming? Even with the Wii you need to update your firmware if you want to play certain games or access the store.
darkpaladinmfc
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Youmr.hands said:Don't know about Shogun2, but I'm the guy who said Red Alert, Deus Ex, Crysis, etc would be ported to consoles ;-)
('oh noes, teh consolified, the cake is a lies oh noes!!')
I am really serious when I say PC's are obsolete (especially to me).
Aside from the very few games that are 'must-own', PC's lose to laptops or iMacs in everything else. People don't need to sit behind a desk to post on Facebook, or to watch youtube.
To do real work (writing thesis, doing programming, 'work'), yes.
But even for real work, you don't need that much power. Even HD video editing can be done on a cellphone these days.
The sum of all this, is why people don't invest in big PC's anymore.
You can look up the numbers: less and less pc's sold every year.
The PC gaming market is an even smaller piece of the already declining PC pie.
Consumer PC's nowadays are nothing more than a hobby. No amount of .gif in the world can ever change that.
edit: you can also see this in the GPU market 'decline'; a good friend got a new pc around the end of 2006, this was with a intel dual core, and a geforce 8800.
This is almost 5 years ago now
Last week I played Crysis2 and Portal 2 on his ancient rig; they ran silky smooth with medium/high settings. (1280*960 i think).
In 2004, none of you PC 'fans' would have believed if I told you that pc's bought in 2006 would still play all pc games on medium/high... in 2011.
There has been a big shift in game development for pc's.
Now tell me again who is ignorant
IchigoSharingan
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NullPointer said:
I don't care that they console game. That's fine. I have a problem with those who already had a PC system and 'gave up' on it for reasons that are somewhat frivolous in nature. Or those who don't want to try it due to ignorant reasons as opposed to fact.
I've enjoyed all consoles myself. I've never avoided trying a console out just because of some hearsay.
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water_wendi said:
Ha, ha. I guess it makes the problem worse that half the time I am just kidding with my posts (although I try to make it clear that I'm kidding, I don't troll). But I'm totally serious about the problems I've had with PC gaming. Maybe my computer is just broken, or my graphics card is screwed up in some way. Oh well.
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Zefah said:
Forgive me because I'm not totally sure what we're arguing any more, so I'll see if I can explain my point better.
The original statement I replied to essentially said that if you need a "workplace" PC separate from your TV then buying another dedicated gaming PC for your TV was an option. I replied that the issue becomes cost in that scenario since said person would already own a console (per the title of the thread) and there would have to be a value assessment. When the console you already own plays most of the games you want to play, why should you spend $400+ on a new device? Of course the answer is "different exclusive games" but again that becomes a value assessment of how much you're willing to pay to play those games.
10+ years ago I used to own a dreamcast, ps1, n64 and a gameboy, back then pc's still were very expensive, that's probably the main reason why I never got one. I did play some pc games beforehand which interested me like gta1 and nfs:hp3 I remember having difficulty with the keyboard layout :lol
But what really got me into PC gaming was online, I started playing UT and just got hooked on it. it's probably the same reason why I won't go back, looking at the current online situation with consoles it's not a great benefit to switch.
But what really got me into PC gaming was online, I started playing UT and just got hooked on it. it's probably the same reason why I won't go back, looking at the current online situation with consoles it's not a great benefit to switch.
NullPointer
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I can't help but think that whoever truly puts together a cheap off-the-shelf solution for PC comfy couch gaming would make a killing. Market it like a console, optimize the desktop for TV viewing distance and multimedia, have steam preinstalled with some demos. Then make a custom peripheral that gives you comfortable and classy mouse/keyboard-esque* support from the couch.IchigoSharingan said:
(* I really don't like keyboard/mouse controls for gaming anymore)
Basically, you have to be able to open the box, plug in a few things and go. When somebody nails this we'll see fewer of these threads.
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Trent Strong said:
260 is the $/performance ratio card of last year. Should be able to run all your games on at least medium settings without a hitch. But you said they all run poorly? Seems more like driver issue than anything else.
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IchigoSharingan said:
One of the nice things about PCs is that they do a lot of things. If someone gives up on gaming, it's not like they now have a doorstop. You can't stop people from being illogical. Hands up, everyone here who's afraid of snakes, even the harmless ones. Even after you've been told they're harmless. I've known several people who are afraid of pictures of snakes.
...I like snakes.
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GuitarAtomik said:
Regardless of whether you need to buy another PC or not, the issue is always one of cost and affordability. If I was on a really tight budget, there's no doubt I would be doing my gaming on consoles only. Most likely on a PS2 and with $5 used games.
NullPointer
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Well I'm thinking for online games you'd be at a disadvantage to use a gamepad against KB/M players. Also, if you have a PC hooked up to your TV you might want to use it for surfing the web and doing some work.Crunched said:
IchigoSharingan said:
Let's say that every PC or laptop sold after 2008 is capable of playing recent PC games on decent settings.
Almost all gaming capable PC(or laptop) owners would not game on PC, even if it was free. which it in a way is: see piracy numbers on PC, plus they already paid for the PC/laptop years ago.
You think this has to do with hearsay? Or is it possible that the vast majority of gaming PC owners believe they have better alternatives?
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mr.hands said:
Holy shit. Your posts just keep getting even more ridiculous. I really hope you're just a troll and that no one out there actually thinks like this. Sadly, I'm sure I'll be disappointed.
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Price argument is pretty hilarious because nowadays a 400-500 dollar PC + steam will let you buy games cheap that you can then quite literally go into the settings, click maximum and enjoy gaming at it's best with a keyboard/controller/whatever on a monitor/tv/whatever. And what's even better is that 400-500 dollar pcs from ~3 years ago still pretty much let you do that as well.
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Nirolak said:
Way, way late, but I blame VGA and the market of the late 80s and the entirety of the 90s. Early PCs like the Commodore 64 and even the original IBM PC could be plugged into a television, but some applications demanded higher resolution and a lack of interlacing, which necessitated selling separate PC monitors (and the fact that selling all these monitor helped IBM's bottom line didn't hurt things at all, no sir). So by 1990 it was basically impossible to plug a computer into a television without extremely specialized hardware, and that was just the video, never mind audio.
It's only been the past half-decade or so, with the widespread adoption of HDMI, that "computer monitors" and "televisions" have basically become the same thing again, with televisions basically being monitors with speakers pre-built-in. Heck, my Dell Ultrasharp (great monitor btw) is functionally identical to a TV in basically every respect since I have a sound bar on it; the only thing it lacks is RCA inputs for sound, which is odd because it can take composite and component *video* just fine; only complaint I have about the monitor, in fact. (And, fun trivia: next time you're in an electronics store, take a look at how many televisions actually have a VGA connector and PC-sized audio-input jack. The answer may surprise you.)
I can totally understand the confusion, though, because for something like fifteen years "monitors" and "televisions" have been completely exclusive of one another. It'll take a little while longer for the zeitgeist to realize that the two are now one and the same again.
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mr.hands said:
Son, if I want decent settings, I run the game on my PS3.
I don't PC game for 'decent', I game on PC for 'this shit will make my ears and eyes cum buckets'.
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corkscrewblow said:
Are you saying that you can't play with friends and family on a PC? Or that *you* don't have any friends and family who are willing to play with you on a PC?
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Mooreberg said:
Fellow gamers look out for each other, news at 11?
I dunno, same reason I told my friend to play MGS4 or BC2 on a 5.1 system.
If you can get a better experience, it will make your most favored games even better. It's like experiencing it all over again.
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corkscrewblow said:
Well, gee, that's way more reasonable than your first post.
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corkscrewblow said:
Ah, that's too bad.
Still plenty of single player games to enjoy if any of them interest you.
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Posting about how you have no time to google something on a forum over and over clearly shows you are being sincere about this.Trent Strong said:
NullPointer
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Gotta admit, I'm closer than ever to giving PC gaming a whirl. My PC isn't the best, but since I moved into a new apartment my desk is set up very close to the TV. And at 60 inches @ 1080p, that should be readable from my couch.
Maybe I'll try to make a small project out of this sometime soon, just for shits.
Maybe I'll try to make a small project out of this sometime soon, just for shits.
Ysiadmihi said:
i wrote that in the current pc gaming climate, it is highly possible that a next Shogun game could appear as a multi platform title, with simplified everything.
But to be honest I don't believe that Shogun is popular enough for that.
Deus ex,
Red Alert,
Crysis.
Those games are example of what I wrote, although Deus ex2 already felt 'consolified'.
Of course I believe in what I wrote. I am mr.hands, I always believe in what I write.
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NullPointer said:
PC specs? If you are looking for a cheap but high $/performance ratio upgrade... newegg has the 5830 for $100.
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2944805
AcceptableGhost
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If you want to turn your friends into PC gamers, just have them play on your system. Instantly converted.
jetsetfluken
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Mooreberg said:
The amount of people who actually do this is kind of depressing,though.
NullPointer said:
You should.
You seem to have good taste in gamez from what I've seen and I think if you take the plunge, you might just see what us crazies are raving about.
mrhands said:
So why do you keep listing these games, again? Deus Ex was on PS2 and Red Alert was on PS1, it's nothing new. Just about every popular PC FPS has made it to consoles in some form.
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Nobody cares. Unless composite guy comes in and says "uncharted 2 is just as good on my 19 inch sdtv through composite cables as it does on your kuro through HDMI, it's just different".Mooreberg said:
Such ignorance begs response.
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