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[Data West]

No but he put into better words what many of us were trying to say, ala your 'theme' reference.

It's interesting really. The Wii audience is almost constantly trolled by the 360/ps3 crowd over graphics/online, and the Wii faithful are made to feel inferior for just enjoying their games.

Then come Master Race to ask the 360/ps3 crowd the same fucking questions, and it is no surprise how they respond.

The Wii faithful are trolled by Nintendo's lack of first party support in 2010/2011. It's nothing to do with the 360/PS3 crowd.

If you want to get someone into PC gaming, you simply invite them over and have them play something intensive on your PC. If they show interest, you should mention New Egg combos to them and then offer to help them put one together(even though they shouldn't need it)

All I'm saying is just that you should never just assume that people don't have a gaming PC because of reasons other than preference. Let them show interest first then proceed to tell them about benefits. Even as a PC gamer, I hate all the snarky remarks you hear about how console games ruin PC games, how Steam is the greatest service of all time, etc. Things like that give console only gamers a really bad impression that tells them they never want to be like that.

I've rarely heard of Wii owners claiming they get the short end of the stick from developers all the time.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Er, yes? That's kind of what exclusive means. Or am I missing something here?

Unless they get a console as well of course.

That's what I mean. The exclusives encourage investment and interest. Doesn't matter what your background is, there's more to be enjoyed on other platforms. PC GAF is asking console GAF to look into new waters in the same way that if PC GAF asked console lovers what goodies there are on 360/ps3/wii, to be given that kind of introduction into a new world to enjoy.



I've seen the Wii constantly trashed by 360/ps3 GAF. I mean... that's one of the reasons port begging became so bannable. Anyone remember the Epic Mickey threads?

 

[SneakyStephan]

Windows
DRM

Lack of comfy couch
Small screen

Nothing wrong with win7.

DRM limits the amount of installs, which is what pc gamers have a problem with ,it would be a huge inconvenience x years down the line (I guess you don't have that issue on consoles because they aren't backward compatible anymore anyhow).
Securom has come and gone by now, even ubisoft learned that people do not want it.
Non-issue.

Noisy fan on most/all gfx cards:
That's pretty funny, my xbox 360 is obnoxiously loud, the loudest bit about my gaming pc is my PSU fan.
Noise is never an issue unless you buy an SLI set up or a 500 dollar top of the line GPU.
PC cooling has made enormous strides in the past 5 years, gone are the days of dinky little 60mm fans running at 3000rpm.
Now you get large copper heatsinks with dozens of metal fins to give you a massive surface area to radiate heat from (and blow cool air over) and an extremely slow , large fan that never throttles up to audible speeds.
These days you can overclock like crazy on air because of how efficient the coolers are.
Another post that's a blast from the past, big surprise.

Comfy couch and screen size are only an issue if you make it one and if you care.
Nothing stops you from putting your hdmi cable into the back of your tv and playing on the couch with your 360 controller.
This has been debated to tears in this thread.

 

[phisheep]

The Wii faithful are trolled by Nintendo's lack of first party support in 2010/2011. It's nothing to do with the 360/PS3 crowd.

Really? I've long ago lost count of the anti-Wii grafix suxx/my eyes bleed/kiddy console tropes, and from well before 2010/2011. More like 2006.

That's what I mean. The exclusives encourage investment and interest. Doesn't matter what your background is, there's more to be enjoyed on other platforms. PC GAF is asking console GAF to look into new waters in the same way that if PC GAF asked console lovers what goodies there are on 360/ps3/wii, to be given that kind of introduction into a new world to enjoy.

Ah, now you're talkin'. If that's what it is about then I'm not quite sure what most of the last 20 pages or so have been on about. No problem with that at all. So long as it isn't some all-out war all over again.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Nothing wrong with win7.

DRM limits the amount of installs, which is what pc gamers have a problem with ,it would be a huge inconvenience x years down the line (I guess you don't have that issue on consoles because they aren't backward compatible anymore anyhow).
Securom has come and gone by now, even ubisoft learned that people do not want it.
Non-issue.

Noisy fan on most/all gfx cards:
That's pretty funny, my xbox 360 is obnoxiously loud, the loudest bit about my gaming pc is my PSU fan.
Noise is never an issue unless you buy an SLI set up or a 500 dollar top of the line GPU.
PC cooling has made enormous strides in the past 5 years, gone are the days of dinky little 60mm fans running at 3000rpm.
Now you get large copper heatsinks with dozens of metal funs to give you a massive surface area to radiate heat from and an extremely slow , large fan that never throttles up to audible speeds.
These days you can overclock like crazy on air because of how efficient the coolers are.
Another post that's a blast from the past, big surprise.

Comfy couch and screen size are only an issue if you make it one and if you care.
Nothing stops you from putting your hdmi cable into the back of your tv and playing on the couch with your 360 controller.
This has been debated to tears in this thread.

It's like televisions aren't even marketed with PC INPUT in their description boxes.

 

[SneakyStephan]

It's like televisions aren't even marketed with PC INPUT in their description boxes.

I want to see these people shop for cars.

What do you think of this model sir? it's priced down for this month, comes with loads of extras and was rated car of the year in x magazine.

But it's blue, I don't want a blue car.

Sir, this is just a showroom model, you can have it in any color you like.
Would you like to take a look at some color fishes ? I have a book here with the range to choose from.

But this car is blue.

Sir, again it's just a showroom model, you don't have to buy it in blue.

But it's blue I don't want a blue car.

 

[Seraphinianus]

money.

I know, I know, you can build something that runs crysis for $500 or something. but I want something that also kills PCSX2 and dolphin and can run modern games well, so it would be close to a $1000 for the rig I priced out.

may as well jump in the deep end if you're going to spend money on a rig

 

[IchigoSharingan]

I want to see these people shop for cars.

What do you think of this model sir? it's priced down for this month, comes with loads of extras and was rated car of the year in x magazine.

But it's blue, I don't want a blue car.

Sir, this is just a showroom model, you can have it in any color you like.
Would you like to take a look at some color fishes ? I have a book here with the range to choose from.

But this car is blue.

Sir, again it's just a showroom model, you don't have to buy it in blue.

But it's blue I don't want a blue car.

20 minutes later...


"um excuse me Mr. Salesman?"

"....yes?"

"I overheard your conversation. So you only sell blue cars? I don't want a bl..."

*salesman snaps his own neck*

 

[Data West]

I want to see these people shop for cars.

What do you think of this model sir? it's priced down for this month, comes with loads of extras and was rated car of the year in x magazine.

But it's blue, I don't want a blue car.

Sir, this is just a showroom model, you can have it in any color you like.
Would you like to take a look at some color fishes ? I have a book here with the range to choose from.

But this car is blue.

Sir, again it's just a showroom model, you don't have to buy it in blue.

But it's blue I don't want a blue car.

"I'll take the car!"
"Great! Here's the parts. Figure it out!"

 

[IchigoSharingan]

"I'll take the car!"
"Great! Here's the parts. Figure it out! Or...have our guys assemble it for dirt cheap."

fixed for REALITY

 

[Seraphinianus]

building it is the best part! except when something goes wrong.

diagnosing sucks.

water is wet.

these pretzels are making me thirsty.

 

[Data West]

fixed for REALITY

Prebuilt computers for dirt cheap? What reality is this?!

building it is the best part! except when something goes wrong.

diagnosing sucks.

water is wet.

these pretzels are making me thirsty.

I was never very good at legos as a child. Probably explains why I had so many issues with my first computer.

 

[Salacious Crumb]

Prebuilt computers for dirt cheap? What reality is this?!

No silly, guys like ncixus will assemble your computer for you for $50. Best of both worlds.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Frys.

slickdeals.

newegg.

Learn to love them.

 

[Finaika]

You guys convinced me. Bought a new 18 inch screen laptop with a GeForce GTX 460M card. Time to play WoW!

 

[Data West]

You guys convinced me. Bought a new 18 inch screen laptop with a GeForce GTX 460M card. Time to play WoW!

Baby steps, Tiger.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Prebuilt computers for dirt cheap? What reality is this?!

...
Sigh.

http://www.power4pc.be/webshop/accessoires/oem_assembling_and_configuration_p4p00001.html

This is what we are talking about.
Most stores (most if not all good stores) offer this service.
Some will do it for free if you order your parts there.

It comes with the same kind of warranty that you'd get from a HP or dell pc, being free fixing of hardware faults.
Only now you don't have to pay the outrageous dell/hp premium, you get to pick your own configuration and you get to use quality parts.

WIN/WIN/WIN

edit : here :

This is by all intents and purposes a high end gaming pc that will max any game you can throw at it today and in the next year.
It will remain very capable for at least 4 years.

You could save 100 euros by going for a midrange gpu instead and picking a midrange cpu.
This would still max all games and run witcher 2 on high/ultra.
Both would be compatible with the same motherboard too.

You are paying 30 euros for the convenience of having them put it together for you, they'll even test it n they give warranty.

You paid another 30 euros for a dead silent cpu cooler, this is optional, if being able to hear the fans (much like with your xbox360) doesn't bother you then you don't have to get it.


This is from a shop near where I live, with our 21 percent taxes and euro premium prices... In germany or the us a similar pc is cheaper.

It took me way longer to upload the image and type up the post than to put this build together.
Hell they even deliver it right at your door for 5 euros...

 

[IchigoSharingan]

You guys convinced me. Bought a new 18 inch screen laptop with a GeForce GTX 460M card. Time to play WoW!

Welcome. To a new world.

 

[mxgt]

building it is the best part! except when something goes wrong.

Building is fun but cable management is the absolute worst.

I'm not very good at it and it leads to immense frustration.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Building is fun but cable management is the absolute worst.

I'm not very good at it and it leads to immense frustration.

You just gotta take one cable at a time, brah.

Though I understand the pain. My 5870 uses up alot of room and absolutely chokes the space for my SATA cables.

 

[Salazar]

may as well jump in the deep end if you're going to spend money on a rig

I just jumped about two thirds of the way in. I don't have the tech confidence to upgrade all that frequently or drastically, so I think I'll be ok.

The wait is killing me, though. IF THEY BUILD IT, I WILL COME.

 

[Smack Fu]

My reason is I hate, yes HATE the K/M for games. I know you can hook up a controller for a lot of games, but for the ones that I even think about I already got it on the consoles (I own all 3).
I used to play WoW with a 360 controller and did very well. It can be done, map the triggers as 'shift' keys and you can have around 36 buttons on it (for those who played Sacred 2 on consoles, think something like that but for all buttons/DPad). I only used the mouse on rare occasions. But WoW grew stale so gave that up.
The only other game that I got hoping that it could be used with a 360 controller was The Witcher, it could not. Just gave the game to my brother. (crosses fingers that the console port of Witcher 2 is coming)
There is not many games besides that that I want that is on the PC only or on the PC better (Risen, Divinity 2 I thought about getting but did not)
That and my PC is growing old in the tooth, its used nowadays for just browsing & email.

 

[beastmode]

My reason is I hate, yes HATE the K/M for games. I know you can hook up a controller for a lot of games, but for the ones that I even think about I already got it on the consoles (I own all 3).
I used to play WoW with a 360 controller and did very well. It can be done, map the triggers as 'shift' keys and you can have around 36 buttons on it (for those who played Sacred 2 on consoles, think something like that but for all buttons/DPad). I only used the mouse on rare occasions. But WoW grew stale so gave that up.
The only other game that I got hoping that it could be used with a 360 controller was The Witcher, it could not. Just gave the game to my brother. (crosses fingers that the console port of Witcher 2 is coming)
There is not many games besides that that I want that is on the PC only or on the PC better (Risen, Divinity 2 I thought about getting but did not)
That and my PC is growing old in the tooth, its used nowadays for just browsing & email.

How long did you try using keyboard and mouse before you decided you HATED it?

 

[M°°nblade]

........what? I honestly have no idea how you had so much trouble with MIJ. It's very straight forward. You connect your DS3 to your PC via cable, and load the drivers. Your KB+M should have its own dongle, like logitech. I think you messed up the MIJ process because once you have everything installed proper the first time, you should never 'accidentally' activate your PS3. To be safe, keep your DS3 wired to your HTPC before you turn on your PC. Then push the PS button on your DS3 and unplug it from the system.

Every KB+M should have it's own dongle, yet mine don't.
Hitting the PS button on my DS3 controller shouldn't activate my PS3, yet it does.

Buying a second wifi dongle, shutting down my HTPC, plugging in the DS3 controller, hitting the PS button and then unplugging it is not what I call straight forward which is why I recommend people buying a real wireless PC gamepad.

 

[Someone47]

Console gaming feels easier and quicker. I don't have to upgrade my hardware to get the best looking games, games look the same across all PS3s. Don't have to mess with any files, just pop the disc in and start playing. I'm not that interested in PC exclusives. And I sometimes want to lie down while playing.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Every KB+M should have it's own dongle, yet mine don't.
Hitting the PS button on my DS3 controller shouldn't activate my PS3, yet it does.

Buying a second wifi dongle, shutting down my HTPC, plugging in the DS3 controller, hitting the PS button and then unplugging it is not what I call straight forward which is why I recommend people buying a real wireless PC gamepad.

Why would you shut down your htpc?
Or are you calling ps3 a htpc?
Yeah that ps3 MKV playback is awesome, and I enjoy loading subtitles in for my foreign movies , and I like the awesome file system and how it remembers where I was in each movie.
Wait, my ps3 can't do any of those things!

See, I don't have to spout FUD and assumptions to trash ps3 as a HTPC because I am fully aware of the restrictions based on my own experience with it every single day.

I don't have to upgrade my hardware to get the best looking games, games look the same across all PS3s.

You don't have to upgrade on pc either to get better graphics than on ps3 or 360 if you value graphics.
You play on what would be the 'low' setting , at a worse framerate by default on ps3, while on pc you 'll at least be able to play at much higher settings than that with a pc that's a few years old.

This kind of thinking is so weird, locking something at low settings is better than being to play at med/high (but not being able to play at max)?

 

[Smack Fu]

How long did you try using keyboard and mouse before you decided you HATED it?

Oh I used to play Quake II back in the day, played Everquest for years. I have enough experience in it. I know the K/M is more precise, I just like the ease of use of controllers. I used to love driving stick, now I like Automatic.

 

[Dimmuxx]

Nothing wrong with win7.

DRM limits the amount of installs, which is what pc gamers have a problem with ,it would be a huge inconvenience x years down the line (I guess you don't have that issue on consoles because they aren't backward compatible anymore anyhow).
Securom has come and gone by now, even ubisoft learned that people do not want it.
Non-issue.

Noisy fan on most/all gfx cards:
That's pretty funny, my xbox 360 is obnoxiously loud, the loudest bit about my gaming pc is my PSU fan.
Noise is never an issue unless you buy an SLI set up or a 500 dollar top of the line GPU.
PC cooling has made enormous strides in the past 5 years, gone are the days of dinky little 60mm fans running at 3000rpm.
Now you get large copper heatsinks with dozens of metal fins to give you a massive surface area to radiate heat from (and blow cool air over) and an extremely slow , large fan that never throttles up to audible speeds.
These days you can overclock like crazy on air because of how efficient the coolers are.
Another post that's a blast from the past, big surprise.

Comfy couch and screen size are only an issue if you make it one and if you care.
Nothing stops you from putting your hdmi cable into the back of your tv and playing on the couch with your 360 controller.
This has been debated to tears in this thread.

Windows 7 is pretty nice but buying windows for just a couple of games isn't a good use of money and it's annoying to have to reboot the computer to get into windows.

Yeah the DRM problem isn't so big any longer but there are still plenty of annoying things out there. Consoles are closed systems so I can live with some DRM there and they aren't as annoying as some of the pc stuff is.

My computers are always on while the consoles are just on when I'm playing and while I'm playing noise isn't a big problem and 360 slim isn't especially loud. Fast and expensive gfx cards are also using a lot more power even when idle than cheaper and silent one does so you need a powerful PSU which is most likely noisy as yours is.

I already have a computer connected to my tv but why play games on it that you can play with a controller since then they most likely already exist on consoles. The only reason to be pc gaming is stuff like Starcraft 2, Diablo 3 imho and they need mouse + keyboard which is pretty hard to combine with a comfy couch.

 

[SneakyStephan]

My computers are always on while the consoles are just on when I'm playing and while I'm playing noise isn't a big problem and 360 slim isn't especially loud. Fast and expensive gfx cards are also using a lot more power even when idle than cheaper and silent one does so you need a powerful PSU which is most likely noisy as yours is.

My psu makes noise because I cheaped out and got one with a dinky 60mm fan (the one built into my sonata II case).
And it being the loudest part means that I can hear it. I can't hear my cpu fan even at night without headphones, same goes for my gpu when I'm not gaming, and when I am it's still very quiet.

My ps3 phat is really nice and quiet (though I can hear it now after a few years, it's about as noisy as my pc) and my xbox360 is just a hair dryer ten times louder than my psu fan.

Unless you buy a gtx580 or 6990 or you xfire 2 graphics cards you don't need anything more than a 500 watt psu, which is pretty standard in even non gaming pcs, and is exactly what I have.

The noise is down to poor quality and a small fan, much like that of the 360.

My noise problem could have been solved by picking a different case without built in psu and spending 20 euros more combined to get a quiet one, but it was low on my priority list at the time.

I can still fix it if I want to by tossing it out and buying a decent one, while my 360 will continue to defile my ears until it finally craps out with a RROD (I have a 360 from 2007).

 

[darkpaladinmfc]

My 360 is much, much louder than my PC with a GTX 580 and 750W PSU.

 

[M°°nblade]

Why would you shut down your htpc?
Or are you calling ps3 a htpc?
Yeah that ps3 MKV playback is awesome, and I enjoy loading subtitles in for my foreign movies , and I like the awesome file system and how it remembers where I was in each movie.
Wait, my ps3 can't do any of those things!

If only you bothered reading the quote in my post...

See, I don't have to spout FUD and assumptions to trash ps3 as a HTPC because I am fully aware of the restrictions based on my own experience with it every single day.

It's kind of funny how you are fully aware of the restrictions of the PS3 yet put your head in the sand concerning comfy couch and screen size issues.

The 'it's only an issue if you make it one and if you care' argument should go in both directions or not at all. In your case, it clearly is one-directional.

 

[Mastperf]

I'm too obsessive to game on PC at this point. If I have the ability to adjust graphics properties, I might as well not even bother. " Hmm...I know it performed poorly with max detail settings, but maybe if I just turn shadows and AA down a notch." Get to a new level "Hmm...I bet this level would look awesome with a higher level of XXX so I'll need to go try to balance some things and see what I can do."
On consoles I just play and don't even think about it. There's only so much free time in a day and the 360 and PS3 offer more games than I could possibly get around to playing. This of course could completely change depending on what the next consoles are like.

 

[SneakyStephan]

It's kind of funny how you are fully aware of the restrictions of the PS3 yet put your head in the sand concerning comfy couch and screen size issues.

The 'it's only an issue if you make it one and if you care' argument should go in both directions or not at all. In your case, it clearly is one-directional.

How am I putting my head in the sand?
I have a hdmi cable sitting on my desk leading to my tv.
It's only a problem if you make it one by coming up with excuses about why you won't plug your pc into your tv.

I personally don't have a problem with playing on a monitor (same resolution and sitting closer to it means screen size really doesn't matter at all), + my crt monitor produces much better colors and contrast.
Not even going to get into the lcd input lag and IQ thing again...

But again, if I had a problem with the size of my monitor then there's nothing stopping me from playing on my tv.
I do play racing games on my tv occasionally because my wheel is set up near my tv.
The only reason why I (used to) use my ps3 as media player (less and less since I get no mkv playback and really can't be bothered dealing with the streaming issues from tversity if i try to get around it, and the incredible pain in the ass that is getting ffdshow to work with it for subtitles) is that I could use my wireless controller to pause etc.

Buying a simple logitech remote would have fixed that, but I already had the ps3 so why not.
+ it was gimmicky as hell and fun to mess around with for a while.

A good desk chair is as comfortable as a good couch btw, and again , use your couch if you want to instead of saying 'but it's blue'.

Getting really tired of these circular arguments.

I hate kb/m -> use controller then -> price! -> it's cheap -> convenience -> it's convenient ->comfy couch! -> play on your couch then -> but it's annoying to use k/m then unless I have a wireless keyboard

 

[Mar]

Accountability.

If a game doesn't work or crashes I want the company who made it feel they have to fix the issue. On a console if people are experiencing issues, everyone is. If on a PC, you have to be the majority, otherwise it could be down to any other random thing that could be anyone elses problem. Your own install, the graphics card, the ram, the motherboard.

Got sick of that in the 90s.

Put a game in and play. That's what it comes down to for me.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Accountability.

If a game doesn't work or crashes I want the company who made it feel they have to fix the issue. On a console if people are experiencing issues, everyone is. If on a PC, you have to be the majority, otherwise it could be down to any other random thing that could be anyone elses problem. Your own install, the graphics card, the ram, the motherboard.

Got sick of that in the 90s.

Put a game in and play. That's what it comes down to for me.

This is why I have always bought consoles (alongside my pc) , for the consistency.
This is why I picked up a ps3 phat and a 360 shortly after they were launched, expecting things to be like usual.

It's a disaster this gen though, consoles bricking when you look at them wrong, games like blops and brink and fallout and dragon age and a ton of others not working properly on ps3, shitty framerates, 4 frames of input lag in shooters etc etc.
Patches and firmware updates and buggy games.

This belongs in another topic but quality standards seriously need to make a return.
Why the fuck have a closed platform if you aren't going to police it...

Compatibility issues have been pretty much non existent for me this gen on my pc, though 2000-2006 was a rough patch with the move to PCIE, 64 bit, vista, NTFS , vista dx10 , dx 9 - dx9 b and dx9 C shenanigans.
Now things have stabilised and it's clear sailing.

 

[Ikuu]

I can't remember the last game I had any real issue with, the way some people talk you would think it's a hassle to play anything on a PC.

 

[Curufinwe]

punkbuster

I fired up CoD 4 for the first time in ages a week ago and got kicked by Punkbuster. Googling revealed that punkbuster doesn't like having the Steam Overlay running, so I had to right-click CoD 4 in my Steam Library and disable it.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1149028

 

[SneakyStephan]

I fired up CoD 4 for the first time in ages and got kicked by Punkbuster. Googling revealed that pb doesn't like having the Steam Overlay running, so I had to right-click CoD 4 in my Steam Library and disable it.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1149028

Most people in this thread would have to be treated for post traumatic stress after going through all that

 

[Curufinwe]

It's funny how many people post the "fiddling with ini files" argument while ignoring the fact that very few games require you to do that (the only game that comes to my mind right now is X-men Origins: Wolverine that for some reason kept swapping X and Y axis when I was using old Saitek gamepad). Very often editing ini files is a backdoor to configure additional stuff that can improve the game but aren't necessarily to enjoy it in the beginning (for example, you could speed up the scanning process in ME2 yourself instead of waiting for BioWare to release a patch).

I had to edit a BioShock 2 .ini file because the default mouse acceleration is fucking terrible. I have no idea how they shipped the game in that state. Works great now, though.

 

[M°°nblade]

How am I putting my head in the sand?
I have a hdmi cable sitting on my desk leading to my tv.
It's only a problem if you make it one by coming up with excuses about why you won't plug your pc into your tv.

You put your head in the sand by denying problems people have beyond the 'coming up with excuses' part.

Unlike you, I'm actually typing this message from my comfy couch using a wireless keyboard, 2,5 meter away from my 50" plasma.

 

[elrechazado]

It's dominated by anything that can run a web browser.

you can't be serious

 

[tzare]

controls. And i mean full console control with a pad. It is like turning on tv with the remote, it is just convenient. Especially this gen with wireless pads that you can turn them on comfortably, navigate through menus etc. Maybe there 's a pc solution like that but it is nothing mainstream.

 

[SneakyStephan]

You put your head in the sand by denying problems people have beyond the 'coming up with excuses' part.

Unlike you, I'm actually typing this message from my comfy couch using a wireless keyboard, 2,5 meter away from my 50" plasma.

So what is the problem?
I don't care about it and the people who do care like you can plug it into their tv.
Nobody loses.
Putting my head in the sand would be ignoring the problems others have in the event that they can't be solved.

They can be solved easily and I'm not pretending some people don't want to play on their couch.

Keep reaching though.
And keep your own head in the sand about loading times, matchmaking issues in a lot of games, hardware reliability, input lag, xbox live costs, 10 dollar premium, choppy framerates, noise if you have a 360, inconvenience when messaging friends and trying to play with friends, abysmal voice chat quality, having little hard drive capacity to work with, screen tearing , lack of votemap, admin support rcon support or splitscreen in current gen games etc.
Because apparently you don't care about ANY of these and think that noone gives a damn about them while they can't be fixed either.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

You picked wisely.

You can experience this right now, and this isn't even the best screen shot of the game you can take. So breath taking and of yeah, the game is crazy good.

Of course this isn't really a primary reason but you can have great gameplay with a KB/M or pad on PC and it can look like that.

 

[jaypah]

I was concerned with using kb/m so I use a DS3. I wanted comfy couch so I got a GPU with HDMI out. I wasn't ready to build from scratch so I got someone else to build some of it and I took it the rest of the way. I also slapped a TV tuner card in there because I needed a DVR. I got a steam account and learned about awesome deals. I went to WalMart and got NFS:HP brand new for 25 bucks! Gaming on a PC is awesome and doesn't have to be hard or overwhelming for a noob. I used to hate most of PC GAF for the way they treated console gamers and its still annoying but don't let that stop you. The GAMING EXPERIENCE is worth all the snark in the world. I found out that you don't HAVE to become an elitist douche to be a PC gamer, that part is all up to you. But if you love gaming a PC is beyond worth it. Thanks PC GAF!

 

[dimb]

My reason is I hate, yes HATE the K/M for games. I know you can hook up a controller for a lot of games, but for the ones that I even think about I already got it on the consoles (I own all 3).
I used to play WoW with a 360 controller and did very well...

Jesus Christ. You can't be serious.

 

[Cheech]

The key with cable management is the case. You can't buy one of those 600+ watt non-modular power supplies and a tiny little Antec minitower and expect it to look nice.

The midtower Coolermaster HAF cases have excellent cable management; if you're doing the megawatt SLI installs, you really need something that allows you to easily run cables behind the motherboard and have plenty of places to tie down.

I've done great looking installs and nasty rat's nest installs, and the key is all in the case. The other nice thing about the HAF cases is they come with plenty of tie wraps, which are also a requirement.

 

[plc268]

Prebuilt computers for dirt cheap? What reality is this?!

Go to your nearest college campus and put an ad up. I guarantee you'll have plenty of people willing to build the PC from parts for less than $100

 

[Stallion Free]

I fired up CoD 4 for the first time in ages a week ago and got kicked by Punkbuster. Googling revealed that punkbuster doesn't like having the Steam Overlay running, so I had to right-click CoD 4 in my Steam Library and disable it.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1149028

Almost as frustrating as losing PSN for a month.

 

[dock]

In general this seems to be largely a issue of software selection and accessibility. If you really don't care for western RPGs, MMOs, FPS, RTS and Sim games, there's not much for you. Yes, that represents a very large number of games, but those games aren't appealing to everyone.

Comfy couch and screen size are only an issue if you make it one and if you care.
Nothing stops you from putting your hdmi cable into the back of your tv and playing on the couch with your 360 controller.
This has been debated to tears in this thread.

Several people in this thread have stated that PC games do not work well from a couch+TV setup. Also, windows/steam itself isn't very comfortable from a couch. Sure, you can hunch over a coffee table, but no-one wants to do that. It's often stated that reading large bodies of text from a long distance is a bad idea, and PC game GUIs are heavily optimised for a 18-36" viewing distance.

Very few people seem to be comfortable moving their PC gaming to their couch, and it's not always a question of cost.