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[Gravijah]

Even I have an MX518. That should tell you something.

 

[apana]

Is it possible to use mouse and keyboard on PS360?

 

[AcceptableGhost]

That's not what I'm talking about, take Killzone 3 for instance, its an amazing looking game that I know I'm getting the best I can possibly get with out having to worry about any overhead.
Now lets look at Crysis on the PC, its an amazing looking game that I know I can play at a half decent setting but I sure the hell know I could get a whole lot more out of the game if I had a better video card, more ram, faster CPU, dual GPU's.

Who care's about "what if" scenarios? I could get a lot better performance out of Killzone 3 if it is remastered on the PS4. So I guess I should never play it?

 

[Snuggles]

Is it possible to use mouse and keyboard on PS360?

The only game on either systems that you can play with KB/M is Unreal Tournament 3 on PS3.

Even I have an MX518. That should tell you something.

and your rig would probably struggle with oregon trail

 

[Gravijah]

and your rig would probably struggle with oregon trail

Accuracy in Minesweeper is very important!

 

[etiolate]

What games are you claiming gain an advantage from better hardware? I'm sure you don't mean the high level CS players who play at 800/600, right?

I would say, that form my experience, switching between three different rigs in my WoW playing time, my ability to see spell effects, load helpful add-ons, have screen space for all add-ons, and not stutter from RAM availability, changed with each switch. In some ways, my older Radeon setup on my older desktop was more stable, but slower in ways, while my gaming laptop was more vivid, and I could see more and further, but was less stable.

The same for TF2, where I began on a Radeon 9600, moved to a gaming laptop, and have a more modern desktop now as well. Framerates and hitches and smoothness changed over time. I got better because my rig got better, even though it was the same game the whole time.

 

[delta25]

I could get a lot better performance out of Killzone 3 if it is remastered on the PS4. So I guess I should never play it?

sigh

nm

edit:

This is completely irrelevant because we both know no option like that exists nor are there any option to increase the visuals within any of the consoles, whereas on the PC there's always options to expand the visual output.

 

[Luigison]

At first I was like:

But then,

 

[elrechazado]

I would say, that form my experience, switching between three different rigs in my WoW playing time, my ability to see spell effects, load helpful add-ons, have screen space for all add-ons, and not stutter from RAM availability, changed with each switch. In some ways, my older Radeon setup on my older desktop was more stable, but slower in ways, while my gaming laptop was more vivid, and I could see more and further, but was less stable.

The same for TF2, where I began on a Radeon 9600, moved to a gaming laptop, and have a more modern desktop now as well. Framerates and hitches and smoothness changed over time. I got better because my rig got better, even though it was the same game the whole time.

how fast you load ironforge doesn't really seem to me to be the type of competetive disadvantage you were discussing. Never played TF2 myself, but with pretty much any FPS online, fidelity means nothing, and ping means everything.

 

[Gravijah]

how fast you load ironforge doesn't really seem to me to be the type of competetive disadvantage you were discussing. Never played TF2 myself, but with pretty much any FPS online, fidelity means nothing, and ping means everything.

Spell effects in instances/raids are pretty helpful when it comes to dodging the bad.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

what is a good mouse for gaming?

 

[etiolate]

how fast you load ironforge doesn't really seem to me to be the type of competetive disadvantage you were discussing. Never played TF2 myself, but with pretty much any FPS online, fidelity means nothing, and ping means everything.

Loading IF means nothing, but movement and visibility levels mean a lot in a raid boss fight.

And nah, I can tell a difference when switching rigs in TF2, on the same connection.

 

[Secks4Food]

Oh come on now at least give him a name.

Spoiler

Logitech G500

 

[olimpia84]

I used to be both a console/PC gamer a few years ago but nowadays I'm a 100% console gamer (and proud of it)

Main reasons:
*Comfy couch (and please stop with all that "you just have to buy a wire and hook it up" bullshit)
*Too expensive to have a nice gaming rig
*Constant problems to run games (wait you have to download this patch beforehand, for this other game you have to update the drivers, for this other one you have to do this). I like being able to walk into my apartment and put the disk to play games right away and avoid any "detective work" if the game is not running.
*Nintendo

 

[Finaika]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

 

[From The Dust]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

unless you are a complete graphic whore, no. hell I only have a Wii hooked up to an hd tv. the jaggies are sharp enough to cut your eyes.

Spoiler

I wouldn't say no to AA for BC Cafe though

 

[blame space]

graphics are stupid i just like the games

i remember when i played Half-Life on my dad's computer when I was 13 I couldn't figure out what the hell changing the resolution did. best i could tell, the lower it was the bigger the game seemed.

i miss those days.

 

[Gravijah]

graphics are stupid i just like the games

i remember when i played Half-Life on my dad's computer when I was 13 I couldn't figure out what the hell changing the resolution did. best i could tell, the lower it was the bigger the game seemed.

i miss those days.

Battle Arena Toshinden 3 had the ability to toggle between 30 FPS & 60 FPS ( IIRC ) and as a kid I could not figure out what the fuck it did, other than making the game look different.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

Of course not. Avoiding good games on any platform is stupid. I wonder if you see the irony in asking this in such a snobby way?

 

[elrechazado]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

No, but when I have a choice of what to play them on, my priorities are:
1. What are my friends playing it on?
2. What's the best version?

 

[delta25]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

I would certainly hope not because those really aren't definitive aspects in regards to what makes a game look good overall.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Now problems with WoW indicate that PC gaming is complex, and not that Blizzard should have abandoned that engine after The Frozen Throne instead of filling it with complex particle effects and a new rendering engine which perform terribly and can't quite cover up just how tired and out of date it is.

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

If it's a game which benefits from those things, then sure I'll be a bit disappointed but if it's still a good game then I'll gladly play it anyway. First thing I'm getting when I finally get a PS3 and stop talking about it will be Demon's Souls, because apparently The Witcher 2 was quite heavily inspired by it in terms of combat mechanics. I've heard that it's not the best looking or performing HD console game out there but if I'm enjoying it then I won't really care. And Mario Galaxy 2 was one of my favourite games last year.

Also, I play games in Dosbox if they're games I want to play. PC gaming is pretty diverse, you should do a bit of research.

 

[SturokBGD]

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

Of course not. I mean I'd rather have 1080p and 60fps in every modern game, but I own more Wii games than PS360 games fer goodness sake.

 

[Gravijah]

Now problems with WoW indicate that PC gaming is complex, and not that Blizzard should have abandoned that engine after The Frozen Throne instead of filling it with complex particle effects and a new rendering engine which perform terribly and can't quite cover up just how tired and out of date it is.
.

Don't you talk bad about WoWs purty graphics. They look nice even on all low settings!

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Don't you talk bad about WoWs purty graphics. They look nice even on all low settings!

One time I saw a blood elf dancing and it was so realistic I felt a tingle in my undie pants. Is that what sex is?

 

[Typographenia]

What are the benefits to having something like a "MX518" or a gaming mouse in general?

I don't play anything competitively or get "hardcore" about stuff. I just use a mouse that we had laying around, and I get by just fine with it. Are they just more comfortable? Are they more durable with a design for more intensive use? Is it just the convenience of the additional buttons for mapping controls?

 

[IchigoSharingan]

What are the benefits to having something like a "MX518" or a gaming mouse in general?

I don't play anything competitively or get "hardcore" about stuff. I just use a mouse that we had laying around, and I get by just fine with it. Are they just more comfortable? Are they more durable with a design for more intensive use? Is it just the convenience of the additional buttons for mapping controls?

i bought my friend a G500. He had the same attitude as you when I first got it for him. In fact he didn't even want it. I told him to stick to it for a few days. He did.

Now he absolutely HATES the utter hell out of 'regular' mice.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

What are the benefits to having something like a "MX518" or a gaming mouse in general?

I don't play anything competitively or get "hardcore" about stuff. I just use a mouse that we had laying around, and I get by just fine with it. Are they just more comfortable? Are they more durable with a design for more intensive use? Is it just the convenience of the additional buttons for mapping controls?

I just recently got one and aside from a laptop mouse I picked up a few years ago for cheap, it's my first gaming mouse. The extra buttons are nice, but I think comfort is the nicest thing about it. I really don't notice any difference in my performance in games whether I use it or just a standard mouse.

There are some mice designed around MMOs with a ton of buttons (my cousin has one with 12 on the left side of the mouse alone) that I could see making a difference.

 

[dorkimoe]

I am a pc gamer as well as console but this would be the reason why i could imagine someone not wanting to pc game. This thread is exactly why i would be hesitant.
Just the OP alone..to see how you will run the game
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430456

 

[soco]

i've got a decent enough rig, but i spend hours and hours in front of a computer all day. i don't want to do it at all when i come home in the evening. when i'm in the mood to play, i generally don't want to sit longer in front of a computer. i do it on occasion, but in general, i'm just not into being in front of the computer so much.

 

[Red]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

Tearing is a definite low point, but I can deal with the rest. It's not that they're unnoticeable -- and they shouldn't be, for anyone. Tearing gives me an actual headache. It's not a snob thing. It physically affects me. Low FOVs do the same thing, and inconsistent framerates can have the same effect when they occur over a long period of time. Thankfully most of the console games I play don't suffer from these defects (XBLA, system exclusives).

Resolution is a nonissue. It is important for modern PC games, but outside of that I don't care. And what's nice about PCs is I can scale res. If there is a game that's giving me trouble, I can lower the resolution to improve frame rate -- an advantage that consoles sadly lack.

I completely agree. That sort of "techno-babble" was what scared me off earlier on in my life.
There needs to be some easy, quick tutorial on how to check system stats, basic explanation for the beginner, and how to tell if you will be able to run a game. Just something you could easily link to someone to clear the clouds a little.

Optimal settings.

 

[Typographenia]

I am a pc gamer as well as console but this would be the reason why i could imagine someone not wanting to pc game. This thread is exactly why i would be hesitant.
Just the OP alone..to see how you will run the game
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430456

I completely agree. That sort of "techno-babble" was what scared me off earlier on in my life.
There needs to be some easy, quick tutorial on how to check system stats, basic explanation for the beginner, and how to tell if you will be able to run a game. Just something you could easily link to someone to clear the clouds a little.


Thanks for the replies on the mouse. I wishlisted the mx518 for possible future exploration, haha.

 

[xanaty]

I've tried really hard to be a console-only gamer but it's just too hard after playing games on a PC at 1080p and 60fps.

Yes, PC gaming is expensive and can be challenging to get a game to run properly. However, investing some time WILL give you a smoother more immersing experience.

I've bought games like Borderlands, Left 4 Dead, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Crysis 2, Battlefield BC 2 and Mirror's Edge for the Xbox 360 and although they were playable, the PC versions were much more enjoyable. The FEEL of the sharp graphics and smooth FPS really takes your experience to another level. I actually want to look around and enjoy my environment, whereas on the console it seems more sterile.

It's not just about the mouse and keyboard either. For the aforementioned games, I play all except Left 4 Dead and Battlefield with a PS3 controller (using a bluetooth adapter + Motioninjoy software).

And regarding having to be slumped over a desk for PC gaming...I game on my HDTV connecting my PC via HDMI. Very easy to find the cables you need at monoprice.com.

I guess I can sum up that for the best gaming experience, the PC without question will give that to you. If, however, you or your friends aren't or don't care to be tech savy, then consoles are OK. Either way, enjoy your hobby

 

[LProtag]

The fact that I need to have a laptop and don't have the money for a PC just to run games on.

So... they run crappy.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I am a pc gamer as well as console but this would be the reason why i could imagine someone not wanting to pc game. This thread is exactly why i would be hesitant.
Just the OP alone..to see how you will run the game
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430456

I've said it a few times already but TW2 is not representative of general issues around PC gaming. New engine, first internally developed engine and most graphically impressive game to date. Besides your options currently are maybe having to spend half an hour googling, or not playing it at all.

 

[Druz]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

Yes. Clarity and frame rate is very noticable

 

[ghst]

I used to be both a console/PC gamer a few years ago but nowadays I'm a 100% console gamer (and proud of it)

Main reasons:
*Comfy couch (and please stop with all that "you just have to buy a wire and hook it up" bullshit)
*Too expensive to have a nice gaming rig
*Constant problems to run games (wait you have to download this patch beforehand, for this other game you have to update the drivers, for this other one you have to do this). I like being able to walk into my apartment and put the disk to play games right away and avoid any "detective work" if the game is not running.
*Nintendo

*You just have to buy a wire and hook it up (and please stop with all that "Comfy Couch" bullshit)
*Too expensive to buy new console games
*Constant problems to run games (wait you have to download this patch beforehand, for this other game you have to update the firmware, for this other one you have to do this). I like being able to walk into my apartment and not have to put the disk to play games right away and avoid any "detective work" if the machine is not running.
*Nintendo

 

[Mandoric]

What are the benefits to having something like a "MX518" or a gaming mouse in general?

I don't play anything competitively or get "hardcore" about stuff. I just use a mouse that we had laying around, and I get by just fine with it. Are they just more comfortable? Are they more durable with a design for more intensive use? Is it just the convenience of the additional buttons for mapping controls?

I'd used standard Logitech/MS opticals for years, but just upgraded to an MX518 a couple months ago. The sensitivity change gimmick is pretty useless except in games that have a really wacky default throttle, but having a thumb tap for reload or use so you can do it while moving diagonally is pretty convenient.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

I don't mind the graphics in a good game. But I can't touch some aspects of console exclusives, especially if there is online multiplayer. No dedicated servers? Shit FPS? I'm not touching it.

I've witnessed far too many friends raging over online multiplayer and the shitty service (compared to dedicated servers) to bother with it. Whether it's PSN or paid XBL, it's the same. I mean, if you're going to pay for an online service that should be free, at least demand dedicated servers. So much rage would be gone (or replaced with valid complaints) in XBL if that were the case. Fuck host advantage. Fuck not being able to set max_packets to 100.

I really wish consoles had a dedicated server feature. That would make SSF4 sooo fucking sweet.... sigh.

 

[commish]

Oh come on now at least give him a name.

Spoiler

Logitech G500

Thank you for spoilering that. I almost looked. Whew.

 

[NullPointer]

*You just have to buy a wire and hook it up (and please stop with all that "Comfy Couch" bullshit)

You need the right type of cabling depending upon your TV, video card, and distance. Won't you also want a wireless keyboard and mouse? And how are you using them? Is there any configuration needed on the PC end to output to the TV? Are all games going to look OK for six or eight feet away? Even the text and UI elements? Do all PC games support gamepads?

 

[Chiggs]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

After playing The Witcher 2, it's going to be hard playing any game with lesser textures. Seriously, it's that big of a jump.

But would I give up playing The Last Guardian or Dark Souls because of inferior tech?

Of course not.

 

[Opiate]

Question to PC gamers:

Do you have problem playing exclusive blockbuster console games with their much inferior sub 720p, 30fps & screen tearing? Surely after getting used to pristine 1080p & constant 60fps, they must be tough to play?

I play most games at 1200p.

Do you have a problem playing 420p games after playing 720p? I actually have no problem with any of those resolutions -- I'd be perfectly fine at 420p -- but your answer to that question probably gives you an answer for yourself. If you mind 420p now that you're accustomed to 720p, then you'd probably mind 720p if/when you get accustomed to 1200p. If you don't mind 420p (again, I don't), then you likely won't mind 720p, either.

It depends on how much you value graphics and presentation.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

You need the right type of cabling depending upon your TV, video card, and distance. Won't you also want a wireless keyboard and mouse? And how are you using them? Is there any configuration needed on the PC end to output to the TV? Are all games going to look OK for six or eight feet away? Even the text and UI elements? Do all PC games support gamepads?

Lots of videocards support multiple types of video inputs.

Alot of PC to TV output is automatic. Laptops do this as well.

 

[BannedEpisode]

I dont keep myself from PC gaming. I have a solid enough computer and I play an occasional PC exclusive, its just that I like to sit on a couch. Simple as that really.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

I dont keep myself from PC gaming. I have a solid enough computer and I play an occasional PC exclusive, its just that I like to sit on a couch. Simple as that really.

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[Chiggs]

^^^^

lol

I dont keep myself from PC gaming. I have a solid enough computer and I play an occasional PC exclusive, its just that I like to sit on a couch. Simple as that really.

Welcome to the wonderful world of HTPCs.

Small form factor? Check.

Classy looks. Check.

Xbox 360 Controller. Check.

Hardware that destroys any console? Check.

Best way to enjoy multiplatform titles. Check.

More expensive than a console. Well...check.

 

[commish]

I dont keep myself from PC gaming. I have a solid enough computer and I play an occasional PC exclusive, its just that I like to sit on a couch. Simple as that really.

Exactly. Why can't people understand this? Someone once asked me if I'd rather eat a kobe steak at my desk or a hot dog while sitting on my couch, but that's just dumb. Hot dogs are good.

 

[Red]

You need the right type of cabling depending upon your TV, video card, and distance.

$2 HDMI from monoprice.com.

Won't you also want a wireless keyboard and mouse?

Likely, at least for basic navigation. There's something like the DiNovo Edge on the high end, but most bluetooth wireless keyboards and mice will do fine. You could also get something like this and not even bother with a traditional set up.

And how are you using them?

With your fingers.

Is there any configuration needed on the PC end to output to the TV?

What? You mean besides the "plug in HDMI wire" configuration? No.

Are all games going to look OK for six or eight feet away? Even the text and UI elements?

Probably, yes. Most any cross platform game will be similar if not identical to console counterparts. This doesn't apply to all games; Starcraft for instance can be awfully hard to follow when you're a distance away. But for most games, and cross platform titles especially, it's not a problem.

Do all PC games support gamepads?

95% of new releases do. Nearly every single cross platform game, to the point where it's essentially a nonissue. And for those that don't, motionjoy or xpadder provide an easy-to-navigate GUI to set controls as you like.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Exactly. Why can't people understand this? Someone once asked me if I'd rather eat a kobe steak at my desk or a hot dog while sitting on my couch, but that's just dumb. Hot dogs are good.

It's not the same without the smiley but :lol