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Conspiracies involving Big Pharma.
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i have my truth, you have yours.
Apparently that word has lost all meaning.
He has his dictionary, you have yours!
And my axe!
TacticalFox88
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Heh, here I was thinking you'd come in here and shut the thread down with a long ass post haha
Agent_J
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I'm sorry I'm at work on my phone so I don't have the company name or medication's name off memory. There is an infamous medication made some years ago that was found to be dangerous (if not lethal) so instead of dumping and destroying the product, it was shipped to a "lesser" country (Mexico?) knowing that it was dangerous just so they can sell the rest of the stock without losing much money.
TacticalFox88
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What OP are talking about and what you're referring too are completely separate issues.
A Fish Aficionado
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Conspiratorial thought against medication is especially prevalent in the diet world when dealing with diabetes, CHF, high blood pressure or cholesterol.
And with mental health dealing with antidepressants and such drugs.
And with mental health dealing with antidepressants and such drugs.
Totally agree. Being interferon free is a true differentiator.
You'd have to be crazy to look at what is happening in immuno-oncology with opdivo, keytruda, imbruvica, yervoy, revlimid/abraxane, etc. to think pharma isn't doing good work right now.
But I guess I'm a Slave.
Prevalent?
Could you give one verifiable example from these 'prevalent' practices?
A Fish Aficionado
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I meant the conspiracy about those drugs.
deltatheta
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You obviously have something you want to say. Why not get it off your chest instead of constantly dancing around it?
JoeyJungle
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I think a lot of the conspiracies about pharaceuticals stem from the Tuskegee experiments and the SV40 contamination of Polio vaccines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV40#Polio_vaccine_contamination). That caused a general distrust of the pharma industry, and espionage and conspiracies in general caused people to automatically believe the worst about the government no matter how convoluted and illogical.
titiklabingapat
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The thing that pisses me off about this conspiracy too is that predatory assholes use them to bait desperate patients of a promise of a cure. There is a special place in hell for people that prey on the very sick and desperate.
Unknown Soldier
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20 years ago, AIDS was a death sentence. Thanks to that medicine, you can now remain alive indefinitely. That's pretty ridiculous, huh?
It is, but do you have even the tiniest bit of knowledge about the stuff you're taking and how it's created? Biologicals are crazy expensive to produce.
TacticalFox88
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If our Healthcare system wasn't batshit fucking insane you'd be paying a LOT less.
A Fish Aficionado
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The problem is that they take events like these and twist them to fit their worldview and add copious amounts of logical fallacies ie Natural News.
Also, you bet your ass that big pharma lobbies HARD again cannabis legalization
If you could grow something in your yard that eases symptoms of all types of illnesses, they're cut out from money on all of that.
Their goal isn't to heal people. Their goal is to make money off of selling medicines.
If you could grow something in your yard that eases symptoms of all types of illnesses, they're cut out from money on all of that.
Their goal isn't to heal people. Their goal is to make money off of selling medicines.
A Fish Aficionado
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Please tell me this is satire.
Oh yes, this is a really thought-out and intelligent argument, please, do go on.
You're so out of your depth it's hilarious.
A Fish Aficionado
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The funny thing is there are already synthetic thc for nausea and appetite in cancer/AIDS patients.
TacticalFox88
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Oh and also, by the way, the FDA approves less than TEN percent of ANY drug related to cancer. The other 90 percent? Well, it won't go to Market and the FDA does NOT reimburse them for the shit loads of money they spent trying to create it.
titiklabingapat
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That's totally separate issue. Without big pharma developing newer and safer HIV medicines, finally culminating in the one daily pill regimens we have today, you'd be dead by now. Or still be gulping multiple pills every four hours (yes, you have to wake up even in your sleep) if you haven't developed resistance to the only medication back then, AZT (whose existence was also a direct result of big pharma).
Err, why? They actually ARE lobbying against marijuana. Among other reasons, some of the biggest contributors to anti-marijuana "research" are the companies that just happen to manufacture various opioid narcotics.
Why do they spend so much money lobbying against it then?
Of course there is, a disease doesn't spontaneously stop occurring because we have a cure.
Not sure if you're being genuinely sarcastic or an idiot.
A Fish Aficionado
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Drug attrition rates are incredibly high. Very few drugs pass all the FDA phase trials.
Lot's of people believe in pseudo-science and conspiracy theories. I know a couple people who get sick and refuse to take medicine because they "don't want to take pills," with the implication being that the medicine will damage their bodies. There are warnings on the labels of over the counter medicines but they refer to excessive consumption of medicine, not any consumption of medicine. The pseudo-science crowd takes a tiny risk factor then extrapolates and magnifies it far beyond it's original meaning.
It's actually considerably less than that, for every drug on the market, something like 30,000 compounds got filtered out along the way.
https://youtu.be/1QgBrOYaVOk
My grandpa has had Parkinson's for over a decade. It is criminal that he can't get the medicine this guy has because of the state he lives in. The anti-tremor drugs zonk him out way worse than even the best weed would
Pharmaceutical companies have an interest in keeping cannabis suppressed, yes.
If you don't believe there is any truth to it, then you are the idiot. They don't waste money helping keep things prohibited for no reason. They don't lobby against tobacco.
I think if it weren't for the fact that the industry is, by definition, surrounded on all sides by scientists that this would be the reality.
But they are, on all sides, surrounded by scientists. It would be very hard for them to get away with much of anything.
But they are, on all sides, surrounded by scientists. It would be very hard for them to get away with much of anything.
This is literally the basis of the alternative medicine industry.
Unknown Soldier
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That's even considered a high success rate considering the goal of cancer drugs is to kill the cancer cells without killing your regular cells and therefore you. This is way harder than you'd think, because cancer cells are your cells but they are growing abnormally.
How in the HELL does the company you work for even stay in business when the government essentially forces you to piss money down the drain?
That statistic is blowing my mind.
And what are you trying to prove with this statistic?
Yes, drug certification and testing can take up to ten years. When you want to inject people with the stuff you want to make sure it's safety and effectiveness have been proven. What are you suggesting, experimental trials for all?
cutmeamango
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Two 'conspiracies' I believe involving pharmaceutical companies:
Corruption with clinic doctors and even some public hospital to utilize their brand drug.
Strong-arming formula patent deals for 'generic' drugs.
Corruption with clinic doctors and even some public hospital to utilize their brand drug.
Strong-arming formula patent deals for 'generic' drugs.
tekumseh
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There actually is some belief that THC is responsible for heavy use marijuana smokers not getting lung cancer. At this point though, there is not a clear understanding of how...
TacticalFox88
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Did you not read the rest of my posts in this thread.
I was using that to suggest the idea that they are just creating treatments when 90 percent of them fail is ludicrous.
They wouldn't piss away money like that.
There are also cases of Rick Simpson Oil curing carcinomas that kept reappearing
enanogrande
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Pretty sure he's trying to say drug development is very expensive, and that's a big reason for why treatment is expensive as well.
Don't think these are really conspiracies so much as things that have already been demonstrated to be the case.
A Fish Aficionado
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And where is that paper?
RCTs are the gold standard.
Morrigan Stark
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lol, spot-on.
I think you're misreading the post. S/he's defending the FDA here, actually. Or at the least, explaining why drugs are so expensive.
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