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[Thatonemoor]

I think he means the story of your conversion. I for one would be interested.

I don't personally think it's a interesting story. I started question my faith among other things when I started going to high school. Alot of Unanswered questions about the world made me frustrated with christianity. Several Youtube videos (The Thinking Atheist, Thunderf00t, etc) helped me figure somethings out about the world and evolution.

 

[Camp Lo]

Edit: seems like I'm hopping into a back/forth.

 

[Hypron]

Definitely not. There are few things that make me roll my eyes as hard as talking to a hardcore religious person about religious stuff or their disbelief in science. I've also never met a young earth creationist that didn't also have conservative views on stuff like marriage and gay people and I just can't stand by that shit. Although, tbf I don't live in the US so I haven't met many young earth creationists.

 

[Madness]

No real point, it's hard to explain over a single comment, especially with someone unlikely to understand.

 

[Winterfang]

Hey, if you are cool hanging with bigots, drive on. Don't expect people not to say something though.

Edit: It's not because I know you, calm down and untwist your pants. I think everyone should draw the line at bigots. You don't. I think you are wrong and an enabler of bigots for doing so. I don't like people that do that.

Why do you automatically assume the person is a bigot? The OP Cleary stated the person was tolerant and nice.

 

[Northeastmonk]

What's the saying? If her body is trucking keep the vibe going? Or if her body is curved, don't say a word? I'm kidding

I don't think guys care. Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Athiest, I mean where on earth will you find some scientific genius who would debate the origin of earth constantly? I've met plenty girls who said they were born again Christian but smoked pot and slept around. I really don't think you've met a Christian girl cause if they were Christian you wouldn't of had sex with them. What would they do if they weren't religious? Would you discuss Theoretical chemistry after sex or just argue? That's what bugs me. Athiest run away from a few beliefs when they're just comforting themselves. Men and women are completely different people.

 

[Derwind]

Something tells me this thread is going to derail into a non-religious vs religious debate.

Let the chest thumping begin.

 

[Myke Greywolf]

No. I need to have some degree of intellectual affinity with my partner. If I didn't have it, frustration and saturation would set in sooner rather than later.

 

[Dead Man]

You picked one word out of my theoretical scenario and have started going off on some wild judgmental tangent like I'm an enabler of bigots blah blah. Wtf is wrong with you? You can think whatever you want. I didn't ask for what you thought or your approval. I don't even know where you got enabler of bigots from? I don't even currently know any bigots in my life, nor am I even white. So wtf exactly are you going off for?

You don't draw a line at bigots. Your words. You don't like them, correct them. Until then, anyone who doesn't call out bigots and continues to be friends with them is an enabler of them to me.

And I don't care if you asked for my approval, you stated your position within a public debate, if you don't want anyone talking about it, keep it t yourself.

Why do you automatically assume the person is a bigot? The OP Cleary stated the person was tolerant and nice.

I'm not? I'm not talking about the OP's hypothetical at all, I'm referring to Madness' post.

 

[Madness]

No real point, it's hard to explain over a single comment, especially with someone unlikely to understand.

 

[stufte]

He went off on my post where I wrote, I don't tend to draw lines in the sand for people, I don't really mind if they are liberal, conservative, tolerant, bigoted etc.

I was just trying to convey that I'm pretty relaxed and easy going, I don't really care much about what others think. I have my own life to worry about. Somehow, he thought that meant I entertain bigotry or that I know some racists or something in my private life. And when I questioned him like who is he to even tell me what to say/think/do, I was turned into an enabler of bigots in a sense.

Buuuut. You kinda said you wouldn't mind a bigot, but singled out vocal atheists as less than a creationist. I get why he's picking you apart, because you singled out a negative then went on to say bigots (amongst others) were fine in your book.

 

[Jacob]

I did for a while. There was certainly some awkwardness, especially with her family, but all in all it was a pretty good I relationship I think. We still keep in touch from time to time and she's less religious now than she used to be.

 

[Madness]

No real point, it's hard to explain over a single comment, especially with someone unlikely to understand.

 

[Transhuman]

Dating no and casual sex no too. Just knowing that info up front would be a huge turn off.

Glad someone's getting where I'm coming from, at least. Whether they border on mental illness or whether it's just plain old ignorance of the world around them, I don't even want a fleeting interaction with someone who believes in magic.

 

[Dead Man]

Is everything literal? I never said they were less than a creationist. I don't even know/like any creationists. I said I'd probably feel more comfortable around the creationist OP described than an atheist who would denigrate or insult other religions.

This doesn't imply I would like the bigot, just that I meant I wouldn't rule them out automatically. Obviously someone who is tolerant is preferable to a bigot, is that even a question?

As for that guy, I've only been here a short time. And yet, I remember him. He was actually on my ignore list several months ago, before I cleared it at the start of the year. And if I remember correctly, he's done this with me before, I believe he had a Putin avatar then, and is a social worker from Australia. I tend to have a good memory. I think it's more his shtick. Find some kind of issue and dogpile on something he's vehemently against. Anyways, I think it's best we all leave it here.

Apparently still on your ignore list since you can't respond to my posts but have to whine to everyone about me instead. It's a good look.

A one person dog pile.

 

[Gannd]

*Scratches head*

So you consider them the same as animals, huh? Hmm.

I read his post dreaming that he was wearing a fedora.

 

[rudieboy77]

As long as they didn't try to convert me to their religious views, I wouldn't care.

 

[Madness]

No real point, it's hard to explain over a single comment, especially with someone unlikely to understand.

 

[Transhuman]

There are many definitions to a bigot. Is it someone who is bigoted on the basis of race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc. I could say a ton of personal things here that would explain my views better but I don't want to share my personal details. So let's just drop it.

Yeah, being a bigot in ANY of those cases is fucked up. Which one of those are you defending, exactly? Like, where's the nice example of being a bigot in that list.

 

[Mister Wilhelm]

I wouldn't date anyone I wouldn't put my dick in, and I wouldn't put my dick in anyone that believes in talking snakes.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

If that's the only outlandish belief they got, and they otherwise accept Carl Sagan as their lord & savior, I wouldn't really care much.

Some people play videogames, some people believe the earth is only 6,000 years old.

 

[Madness]

No real point, it's hard to explain over a single comment, especially with someone unlikely to understand.

 

[Transhuman]

If that's the only outlandish belief they got, and they otherwise accept Carl Sagan as their lord & savior, I wouldn't really care much.

Some people play videogames, some people believe the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Yeah, some people play videogames, some people think your entire field of study is a joke because you study physics, chemistry, geology, astronomy, cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, genomics, linguistics, anthropology, archaeology, climatology or dendrochronology.

Counting tree rings? That's practically devil worship.

Not defending anything. Wtf. Where did I say I was defending any bigot. There is no nice example of any bigot. Like I said this is different to me as a non-white guy and hard to explain. I really don't want to get personal here, so I'll throw some examples.

What if I said I was raised/part of/live in a community/city with a lot of immigrants and a culture that is anti-LGBT? That even 20 years from now, it will be like that? That even teachers, friends, anyone from this will be against that? Can I say I'll never be around or friends with any of these people? What if I met a girl who's family suffered ethnic/religious discrimination/genocide and as a consequence is herself bigoted against a certain religion or group of people? Her bigotry affects me in no way, and she isn't like that, but her brothers and sisters are? What if I had a friend who because of past war crimes against his nation, has a deep hatred for a certain/nation group of people? What if I work at a company and all the employees are white and sometimes make racist jokes? But you need this job, the boss won't understand? Blah blah. These are just examples, and it's hard to explain because we're all different, but I totally feel sometimes, especially white people tend to overlook the fact others are different and face different circumstances.

I've said it several times, this whole point has been blown out of proportion and can we please drop it. It's derailing the thread.

Is she bigoted or not? You're not being very clear there. If you're fine being around people whose beliefs are caustic to society, that's your prerogative. I mean if you're hanging out with friends and they start making racist jokes or start hurling slurs at passers-by, you don't have to do anything. You should though. Life isn't all whipped cream and cherries and sometimes being a decent person means doing things that may affect your standing with other people negatively.

 

[Dead Man]

What do you want me to respond to you about? That you don't know me, don't know my friends or family. Don't know where I was born, where I was raised, what kind of community I live in, what country I live in etc. That as a white guy from Australia, who does social work, your own views and ability to associate/discriminate with people is different from others? So why are you jumping down my throat? I could list you a myriad of reasons why we're different, and why I said I wouldn't draw a line in the sand as to who I meet or would be around. There are many definitions to a bigot. Is it someone who is bigoted on the basis of race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc. I could say a ton of personal things here that would explain my views better but I don't want to share my personal details. So let's just drop it.

All I was looking for was a statement that bigotry is not worth accommodating and is worth judging. I'm not jumping down your throat, I am judging your public comments you made. Don't like it? Don't post about it then.

You are really hung up on what you think you know about me or my motivations, yet you are very upset that you are being judged.

And I don't give a fuck about how someone is a bigot, or the many ways of being a bigot, or whatever mental hoops you have jumped through to make bigotry something that you don't judge people for, it is not something I feel like accommodating in people. If it is bigotry, it is fucked.

You posted about how you don't judge anyone, but you did single out outspoken atheists. Then you get pissed off when somebody says that not judging bigotry is not okay with them. You are pissy about somebody having an opinion about your opinion.

All I am judging is what you have written. You have had ample opportunity to respond in a meaningful way, either to clarify your statement or to argue against my position, but you have made this very personal instead.

It's not nice, and it's a bit ridiculous.

Have a good day.

 

[John Kowalski]

I don't think so, no. I have to imagine that i wouldn't have the opportunity to share the kind of wonder that i get from life with someone so adamantly religious. That would prohibit a most fundamental connection between me and the girl, which would bore me quickly.

 

[Derwind]

I don't know, I'm weak, I fully admit I can sleep with someone who has fundamentally different ideas of how the earth was formed and basic laws of nature. And yes, I've study physics and I'm enthusiastic about astronomy.

However, my only requirement is the person I'm sleeping with doesn't invite my opinion or share thiers. You know, until I've completed the sacred ritual of hitting it and quitting it.

I'm sorry people. I'm a human male. I'd stick my dick in a wet hole in the ground if it could somehow get me off.

Im ashamed yes.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

I really doubt it. I value intelligence in a SO quite a bit.

I want to be able to watch Cosmos and talk about how mindblowing this stuff is. Not about whether or not these scientists have an agenda.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

I always thought I wouldn't be the type of person to let differences in beliefs be something that would stop me from being with someone, but as I've gotten older I've realized that I don't want to spend a significant amount of intimate time with someone when we have fundamental differences in our thinking patterns and ways of life.

 

[happypup]

I really doubt it. I value intelligence in a SO quite a bit.

I want to be able to watch Cosmos and talk about how mindblowing this stuff is. Not about whether or not these scientists have an agenda.

Scientists do have an agenda, a very sinister one. They want people to enjoy discovery, to revel in critical thinking. These people want you to ask them questions but instead of always having an answer prepared for you, they want you to use 'logic' and 'reason' and experimentation to find that answer for yourself. They selfishly withhold their divine revelation, and instead say, "I don't know, but I might know how to find out." They say, "don't trust me'" and I am supposed to 'look at the evidence'. Scientists, everyone of them, are de facto educators. And not the appropriate kind of educators that tell you what to think and why. Scientists want us to learn how to learn. They want us to question everything, even them.

I do not think I could be in a relationship with somebody who wasn't equally excited by this forbidden practice.

As an aside, This may sound like a strawman, many fundamentalists, and nearly all creationists will say that logic and reason are good things, that experimentation and critical thinking are good things that you should follow the evidence, but it is good only to a point. It becomes follow the evidence, but if it contradicts the Great Authority, then you followed the wrong path. Use logic and reason but if it contradicts the Ancient Wisdom, then your logic and reasoning is flawed. By all means experiment, but if the result does not confirm the Holy Writings, then you did the wrong experiment.

Anyways that is why I agree with you.