ManaByte
Gold Member
Well the whole "experimental" dodge will evaporate when approval hits. Then the goalposts will shift to claim FDA approval isn't REAL and is just a rubber stamp or coerced in some way.
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Well the whole "experimental" dodge will evaporate when approval hits. Then the goalposts will shift to claim FDA approval isn't REAL and is just a rubber stamp or coerced in some way.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Yes, unfortunately you're probably right. The anti-vax (or at least doubtful vax) position becomes less and less tenable as every day goes by, and the FDA approval is a big psychological barrier. Would be nice for folks to stick around though, instead of just leaving when their opinion is undermined by the evidence. Zefah seemed like a decent sort. Being able to concede ground, but stick around to continue the conversation would have been preferable.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
That is not what most people think. The data is still up in the air about spread, peak viral load can be the same in vaccinated vs unnvaccinated but their is evidence that the decline in viral load is more rapid in the vaccinated. So there is circumstantial evidence that vaccination would help curb spread.
But what people want to eliminate is the impact of the virus on our lives, we have lived with the flu for a long time it doesn't have a major impact on people's ability to socialize or do business or send their kids to school or choose to get vaccines.
With high vaccination rates we can get there, most of us were 'there' and a lot of us still are. My life is normal other than the 1 in maybe 50 places I visit that require a mask. But with Delta cases rising and increased hospitalizations and deaths this return to normal is becoming tenuous.
The difference is between the idealists who think that we should not have to make these changes and therefore proceed as if these changes won't occur, and those who accept that these changes will happen as hospitalizations and deaths go up, and so want to avoid those circumstances.
funkygunther
Banned
Zefah crumpled like a cheap suit, holy shit
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Anyone who tries to push that ridiculous line will expose themselves as not actually being interested in the facts anymore. They are just being intentionally obtuse or are being disingenuous at that point.
ManaByte
Gold Member
The rubber stamp line comes from this thread. It's already been used.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I know. I was trying to be subtle about giving people a chance to step away from that nonsense.
I just don’t get flu shots and I won’t be getting this, not because I am anti vaccines but I just don’t feel the need to get it and that is my choice. I don’t ever get sick during the winter with the flu and I have had several people I know who had been positive for COVID and I never got sick then either. Im not saying I won’t ever get a shot but as of now I’m not interested
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ManaByte
Gold Member
DeepBreath87
Banned
That’s your choice. I will tell you that where I work, there have been a very small handful of people who were fully vaccinated who got very sick. They were all over the age of 70. Every single person under the age of 70 to this point who I have seen who needed ICU level care has been unvaccinated.
That being said, you are free to do what you want. The odds are in your favor either way but the vaccine will tip that further in your direction, should you choose to take it.
Dr_Salt
Member
But then the lipid nanoparticle does escape the injection site and is found floating around the body. So it indeed is not doing what the said they vaccine is supposed to do. I don't care how little that % is its ending up in places its not supposed to be. How is that supposed to make me feel any safer? Is there any long term studies on the effects of these lipid nanoparticles ending up in places its not supposed to be?1. If you're referencing the study I think you're referencing, it's not from Japan. There's a Japanese version of it, but it's only referencing data that was already done elsewhere.
2. The people referencing that study didn't represent its findings accurately and made it out to be more of an issue than it actually is.
I discussed it here, during my debunking of the podcast episode where Weinstein was talking about potential dangers of the vaccine with Robert Malone and Steve.
Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]
it's worth mentioning, both Bret and Eric Weinstein are cranks. Bret has been pushing completely unfounded claims about vaccine safety. They trade on irrelevant credentials and spin conspiracy theories to audiences who have been fooled by surface level truthiness. And if you listen to e.g...www.neogaf.com
Also the fact they haven't replicated these studies in humans just makes me feel even less safe.
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12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
at this point it's safe to say both his parents probably died from covid and he was scrambling to find any facts he could use to alleviate the guilt that weighed on him for not getting them vaccinated because he wanted to believe the pillow guy over the entire American scientific community, and that's okay. there's no shame in admitting you are wrong about something, which is to say you are smarter and wiser today than you were yesterday (also known as Growth; what these cultist loons are largely incapable of)
Jaysen
Banned
The people you’re describing don’t fight against mask mandates, and don’t boycott and scream when other methods have to be initiated because too many dipshits continue to spread the virus.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Who are you talking about?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I'm confused. Did you accidentally delete a quote in that post? Who are you talking about.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Uhhhhh did he ever mention his parents dying of Covid? Did I miss that?
Because if not that is one HELL of an assumption man.
funkygunther
Banned
that is quite the imagination 
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Outspoken conservative radio host Phil Valentine dies after battling COVID-19
Longtime conservative talk radio host Phil Valentine has died from COVID-19.
www.newschannel5.com
ManaByte
Gold Member
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In December of 2020 he tweeted "I have a very low risk of A) Getting COVID and B) dying of it if I do. Why would I risk getting a heart attack or paralysis by getting the vaccine?"
He even recorded a parody song - Vaxman - mocking the vaccine.
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RAÏSanÏa
Member
Outspoken conservative radio host Phil Valentine dies after battling COVID-19
Longtime conservative talk radio host Phil Valentine has died from COVID-19.
Will this repeating tragic story change any platformed antivaxxers positions to pro-vaccine before they are terminal?
This deathbed recanting is so common with antivaxxers it's becoming gallows humour.
Keihart
Member
“
In December of 2020 he tweeted "I have a very low risk of A) Getting COVID and B) dying of it if I do. Why would I risk getting a heart attack or paralysis by getting the vaccine?"
He even recorded a parody song - Vaxman - mocking the vaccine.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
You silly fucking cunts.
Australia (and New Zealand) are weird ones. They are maximizing their response in regards to lockdowns, travel, masking, etc, but then they seem to incapable of rolling out the vaccines in large numbers. These are not poor countries. I just don't get it.
DeepBreath87
Banned
Hopefully it will. That would be the only good that comes from stuff like this.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Entirely the government’s fault. Got way too complacent about vaccine procurement because covid levels were so low, but now delta has hit and they can’t stop it. They could have easily scored enough vaccines, but Morrison decided it “wasn’t a race” (his words) and now it’s a clusterfuck.
Keihart
Member
I saw somewhere some news about several labs developing aerosol vaccines that need only a fraction of the solution to be equally effective, with the idea of making vaccines manufacture cheaper and easier to access for poorer countries.
No idea what's currently going on with that.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Outspoken conservative radio host Phil Valentine dies after battling COVID-19
Longtime conservative talk radio host Phil Valentine has died from COVID-19.
Man, that's like the fifth or sixth such story I've read in the past few weeks. "Reality ain't real! Yeehaaa! Buy my book and like and subscribe!" *dies*
These are the dumb-ass grifters that believed their own bullshit. Grift the hell out of the gullible, go for it, it's a free country, but you should have gotten that free shot first.
Jaysen
Banned
Another dipshit gone. Can’t wait to see the usual mob of dopes accuse him of being a crisis actor…since 1995. Truly a long con.Outspoken conservative radio host Phil Valentine dies after battling COVID-19
Longtime conservative talk radio host Phil Valentine has died from COVID-19.
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Dr_Salt
Member
Chill out with the personal attacks.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Dumbass, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Can't feel sympathy when he used his platform to push people to be even more vaccine hesitant. His personal decision is all fine and well but don't attempt to persuade others of it like a asshole.Outspoken conservative radio host Phil Valentine dies after battling COVID-19
Longtime conservative talk radio host Phil Valentine has died from COVID-19.
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Thesuffering79
Banned
I already know that Ivermectin is the best approved medicine now for Covid 19. I want more data with 12m as the dose as a prophylaxis.
DeepBreath87
Banned
People definitely shouldn’t be going to farm stores to get horse medication. But obviously ivermectin being effective would be amazing and if it makes a difference, we should be using it as much as possible.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Rev. Jesse Jackson, wife hospitalized with COVID-19
The Rev. Jesse Jackson, a famed civil rights leader and two-time presidential candidate, and his wife, Jacqueline, have been hospitalized after testing positive for COVID-19, according to a stateme…
ktla.com
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Why most prominent ivermectin studies are statistically meaningless
Despite promising words in some studies, experts say ivermectin is a false hope for treating COVID-19. Here's why
www.salon.com
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Think about it again. First of all, it is doing what it's supposed to do.
Second of all, under all other normal tests there is an undetectable level of nanoparticle remnants. The only reason they were able to detect anything at all was because they used a higher concentration of nanoparticle initially, and they used specialized equipment meant to detect extremely small quantities of stuff.
Lipids are what makes up soaps and fats. You don't have anything to fear from lipids.
Your fears are unfounded. You aren't concerned about the 10 micrograms per liter of water in your drinking water are you?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Trump gets booed at own rally after urging followers to get vaccinated.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and Az vaccines are the best approved medicine for COVID 19.
IVM is proven safe when used in prescribed doses, but has not been proven to help against COVID 19. The various studies that show promise are not proof. There are still potential flaws in their methodology.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Tragic.Outspoken conservative radio host Phil Valentine dies after battling COVID-19
Longtime conservative talk radio host Phil Valentine has died from COVID-19.
Is this true or just CYA I wonder? If it's true, he would have been a big help to change people's minds.
Jaysen
Banned
Probably just the brothers words. Phil has been on a ventilator most of the time. He wouldn’t have been talking to anyone. And even if true, his idiot listeners would have immediately turned on him anyway.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I posted an exhaustive article on it, but in short, the only published study that suggested Ivermectin had positive effects in preventing infection was an Egyptian one that was retracted because they committed data fakery and plagiarized the introduction.
Most other studies had far too small a pool of being tested to have any worthwhile conclusions. There was finally a large study performed and the results discussed at a NIH symposium, in which they revealed that it had no significant effects in regards to SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19.
Like many antiparasitic treatments it showed some antiviral effects in vitro (in a test tube), but that's not surprising. Table salt is effective against many viruses in vitro. But in vivo - no significant results or no results at all.
So please T Thesuffering79 , don't take a dewormer thinking it help prevent infection or treat you. Chances are you'll administer it improperly and make yourself sick. The vaccines are safe and free.
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KiNeMz
Banned
Fair go mate. You can go blame the government. But half of the issue is around the logistics. I have been involved in building some of the call centers for Victoria's vaccine rollout. Its just not feasible to administer 40million vaccines to the entire country in 6 months. Not with our infrastructure.
I was assisting one of Victoria's biggest hospitals in reducing its telephone capacity. They could handle 300 concurrent phone calls for the entire hospital. This was full due to the influx of people trying to book a vaccine appointment. Stressed the Hospitals communication systems which raised huge safety and risk issues. So there is a reverse impact this Vaccine rollout is having on hospitals that you may not be aware of. Covid stresses the system one way and Vaccine rollout hits from another angle. My point though is that people had call backs in the system waiting for 2 weeks because staff could not keep up. People trying to get the vaccine but just cant. Everywhere is understaffed and under resourced and cannot accommodate for a mass vaccination rollout on a national scale.
Since then the government purchased a Microsoft platform to assist with the national rollout which has improved it. Buy again that had to be custom built and took time. So now the inbound systems are now up to scratch but there are not enough facilities. Hospitals are decking out their carparks and building mass vaccination centers. So these places need to be fitted out, made sterile, power cabled, data and networks, climate control signed off for safety all the like. and Then comes staffing. How many nurses will it take to administer 30-40million Vaccines? Again another hit to Hospital resources. Then security, doctors facilities management traffic control. All these components are taking a huge hit.
So now Australia is at approx. 27-28% vaccination status. I don't see them hitting the 80% target for another 12 months if possible with all the hesitant, not fit for or exempt and anti covid vaxxers.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
He wouldn't have convinced all of his audience, but I think a small portion could have been swayed. It would have been better than nothing.
Him experiencing viewer pushback would have been something.