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Cracked goes IN on Jurassic World
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brandonh83
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there's still enough differences between them that I don't think they came across as quite the same.
I just don't think these two things look similar.
You really do honor your tag.
That toy looks pretty neat, too bad we did not get that on the movie, the Indominus looks like this on screen:
Basially, a T-Rex, lighter skin, and slightly longer arms.
It's kind of funny Lost World's new dinosaur was more creative, freaking Lost world, unarguably a terrible movie.
I thought Jurassic World was fun, had a couple of great scenes....and that's about it. I didn't think it was amazing, but I had a great time in the theater and I've seen it again now and enjoyed it again. I like it more than JP2 or 3 which both had bigger flaws IMO, and I'm saying this as someone who considers the first one of my very favorite movies of all time.
Really my only complaint with the movie was D'onofrio's mustache twirling military guy villain, just because he was such a cliche and I thought the movie would work well enough without him.
I realllly don't get the amount of hate it gets from a lot of people. I randomly hate a lot of movies though so it's all good. :shrug:
Really my only complaint with the movie was D'onofrio's mustache twirling military guy villain, just because he was such a cliche and I thought the movie would work well enough without him.
I realllly don't get the amount of hate it gets from a lot of people. I randomly hate a lot of movies though so it's all good. :shrug:
So you only want equality when it suits you?
What was Lost World's new dinosaur? The compies? The headbutting dinosaur?
Nappuccino
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One key element of graphic design is working towards unique or iconic silhouettes. Turning the form flat black, The I-rex looks way too much like the T-rex to really stand out, imo.
A few spikey-feathers aren't enough to do it for me.
The spinosaur, it had a big spine like a stegosaurs' and really elongated jaws.
It was absolutely silly, as well as the explanation for its existence (apparently it "evolved" by itself lol), it was nothing like a T rex though.
Edit: sorry I meant Jurassic park 3, I always confuse them.
Green Mamba
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JPIII's Spinosaurus was actually a pretty well designed creature, helped that all of the dinosaurs in the first three films were designed by the same guy.
Jurassic World's creatures were definitely designed by someone else and absolutely suffer because of it. The Indominus is just incredibly uninspired, the raptors are akin to fat faced iguanas, the Mosasaurus looks like a video game enemy, the Pteranodons look like muppets, and the Dimorphodons are quite easily (easily) the worst creature designs to ever feature in a Jurassic Park film.
I mean, look at this fucking thing.
Little wonder so many people think they're not based on real animals.
Jurassic World's creatures were definitely designed by someone else and absolutely suffer because of it. The Indominus is just incredibly uninspired, the raptors are akin to fat faced iguanas, the Mosasaurus looks like a video game enemy, the Pteranodons look like muppets, and the Dimorphodons are quite easily (easily) the worst creature designs to ever feature in a Jurassic Park film.
I mean, look at this fucking thing.
Little wonder so many people think they're not based on real animals.
Saw it twice in theatres and the blu-ray is on the way, what a fun movie.
Zara's death scene has only one point, to be an exciting, fun-to-watch scene that gets the crowd cheering or cringing or closing their eyes. Nothing more, nothing less. In this type of movie, that's really all the justification there needs to be
Zara's death scene has only one point, to be an exciting, fun-to-watch scene that gets the crowd cheering or cringing or closing their eyes. Nothing more, nothing less. In this type of movie, that's really all the justification there needs to be
old manatee
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Jurassic World is a bad movie that I'll probably watch many times. It's a classic fiasco. Terminator Genysis, however, can fuck right off.
They didn't say it evolved by itself. Otherwise the paleontologists couldn't identify it.
Nappuccino
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I still don't understand what anyone sees in him as an action director. He proved with his first movie that he can handle small-scale character drama and minor elements of comedy. He certainly didn't prove his action chops in (most) of Jurassic World. What was proven was so CG heavy that it is hard to tell who did the most work--the CG story boarders, or Trevorrow.
I still like Jurassic World. There was enough fun to make me feel like my time wasn't wasted, but i can't say I left the theater hungering for another Trevorrow movie. Maybe Disney will have enough pre-vis done that SWep9 will still retain competent action.
D.Lo
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That's the worst part.
But in context this movie reeks of studio crap a nobody director wouldn't have final say over.
Spider-man 3 was also a turd that shat on its heritage (incidentally also starring Richie Cunningham jr), but we all know the studio was mostly to blame and it doesn't make Raimi incapable of directing.
Fancy Clown
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What is this non-equality of men in film you speak of and why is it so important that it's worth interrupting a totally separate and unrelated conversation about female roles in Jurassic World? There's a reason the bechdel test is a thing and why there's no equivalent for male characters.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I mean, you tried.
I mean, did you literally even watch the scene? It's straight up snuff porn, and it only exists because she's a "snooty bitch" who the audience should want to see killed because uh, reasons.
brandonh83
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Nah, the image I posted is the final design. You posted a shot that's very head-on that doesn't show any of its distinctive features from a normal T-Rex. But I guess we're at the "lol your tag tho" stage so I guess the debate is just fucked.
But it was a woman.
Fantastical
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That is highly debatable. Who actually thought she deserved to die? I do not buy that that was the creator's intention, in fact he has said the exact opposite. Say what you will about Claire but IMO people are reading way too much into the senseless, violent death of Zara. I think it's meant to be shocking but not necessarily punishing.
Someone probably said this already, but it's really funny that this thread happened the same day as the Guybrush one.
OrlanisWorks
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Zara probably drowned in the stomach of that Orca dinosaur.
That's some fucked up shit.
That's some fucked up shit.
Messofanego
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There's plenty more scary looking dinosaurs than just basing one off the T Rex. I'm on my phone but someone could post pics of at least a dozen. The movie didn't want to branch out and be its own thing hence all the callbacks and homages and lack of inspiration. It deliberately wanted to be in the shadow of the first film and invite comparisons, therefore coming off as inferior.
JW was your typical run of the mill summer blockbuster, fun to watch with the family but a crappy movie on its own.
The most offensive thing about the movie is that its success led to Colin Treverrow being chosen to direct Episode 9.
The most offensive thing about the movie is that its success led to Colin Treverrow being chosen to direct Episode 9.
brandonh83
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The entire last 30 minutes or so of Jurassic World was well done and nonstop action. Even if you don't like the movie I find it hard to understand how anyone could deny at least that. From the moment the raptors are let go to Indominus being taken down is very impressive action work for a first time action director. There's nothing actually badly handled about any of the action direction that stretch. Also I'd argue the Indominus attack on the gyrosphere was pretty great and layered with the ankys trying to fight it off and then it trying to break it open with the kids inside of it.
All opinions of course, but I don't really think any of it is below the typical action we get in Star Wars.
The film is garbage, but I'm not actually bothered by Colin Trevorrow being touted as a director for future things. I mean, this film was almost certainly focus-tested to shit, as well as rumoured re-writes of the script by multiple people. For all its faults, I felt there was decent tension and you could get a general gist of how scenes were played out. Give the guy something consistent and concise and it could be functionally fine.
EDIT: also what brandonh83 said above
EDIT: also what brandonh83 said above
Sory but no, those designs have marked differences. And shots from distance from the movie don't look that different. Fact is I posted an actual screenshot from the movie and you posted a toy. I won't even bother looking for more screenshots because its clear you think the designs are wildly different. Most people disagree.
brandonh83
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It isn't a toy. It's a render of the dinosaur from the movie.
But yes, again the base genome is a T-Rex. However, I feel like it has other features, and a general color scheme, that makes it look decidedly different. Under cinematography and lighting conditions the coloring and shadowing is going to make it look a bit different from a basic render, but the design is the same.
Another official render. I don't see how this looks too much like a T-Rex, at least not to a point of complaint.
OmegaTreeFish
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But the spinasaur was a real dinosaur. Known for years but a more complete skeleton found not to long before jp3 got made or something. I recall it being talked about on the news.
I'm pretty sure they never bothered to explain why it exists on the island.
brandonh83
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It was explained in the movie that the Spino wasn't on Ingen's list and Grant said "it makes me wonder what else they're up to." So Ingen's obviously still been there and dabbling in stuff behind the scenes, which could connect to Jurassic World (obviously Jurassic World wasn't in mind when they wrote it, but being the predecessor to JW, you can still connect the dots anyway)
It didn't evolve or magically appear, just simply Ingen made it.
OmegaTreeFish
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I assumed it was something like that.
I mean the film was terrible but I still watched it multiple times for dumb dino fun times. But I havnt seen it for years and don't remember the explanation, till you said that. I think I recall that conversation now.
brandonh83
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It's not what I'd call a great movie, but it's a pretty quick and fun action flick. There just wasn't much to it, but I enjoyed the look and feel of it.
CadetMahoney
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brandonh83
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Plenty did. The home video sales speak for themselves. You'll get on "the internet" and find plenty of differing opinions though, it happens.
Demoncarnotaur
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The Jurassic World hate is fairly amusing, not because people aren't entitled to their opinions, but rather the extreme lengths some have gone to justify them. Jurassic World certainly is a flawed film - and it is very different than Jurassic Park, no question about that. However, I really did enjoy it, although it certainly annoys me on some aspects.
Zara's death is probably the biggest offender. I just do not like this scene - as some have pointed out, it's handled like a glorified villain death when she was anything but. What bothers me the most is after we watch her get torn apart by Dinosaurs, the charachters never even so much as a mention her. It feels incredibly out of place all things considered.
However, it's not a sexist scene - people are bending over backwards to apply that narrative, and others then see the scene with confirmation bias. Despite the (flawed) way it was filmed, she was never being punished. She was just the unlucky person, the random 'good guy dies' type of death.
One other thing: in what world does Claire ending up with Owen mean she wants to have kids? Like, how exactly are people stringing these things together.. is it because her sister wants her to raise a family? Ok, cool. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with her not wanting to either. She protected her nephews, her family - in no way does that mean she now wants to have kids of her own.
I've done a much better job elaborating on these thoughts in past JW threads, and I can't be bothered to type more at this point. It's fine to loathe the film, but there are some huge assumptions being made in regards to certain aspects of the justification of why 'everyone' should dislike it.
Zara's death is probably the biggest offender. I just do not like this scene - as some have pointed out, it's handled like a glorified villain death when she was anything but. What bothers me the most is after we watch her get torn apart by Dinosaurs, the charachters never even so much as a mention her. It feels incredibly out of place all things considered.
However, it's not a sexist scene - people are bending over backwards to apply that narrative, and others then see the scene with confirmation bias. Despite the (flawed) way it was filmed, she was never being punished. She was just the unlucky person, the random 'good guy dies' type of death.
One other thing: in what world does Claire ending up with Owen mean she wants to have kids? Like, how exactly are people stringing these things together.. is it because her sister wants her to raise a family? Ok, cool. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with her not wanting to either. She protected her nephews, her family - in no way does that mean she now wants to have kids of her own.
I've done a much better job elaborating on these thoughts in past JW threads, and I can't be bothered to type more at this point. It's fine to loathe the film, but there are some huge assumptions being made in regards to certain aspects of the justification of why 'everyone' should dislike it.
Pops Maellard
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Ok but now take those two things and put them in a dimly lit scene.
brandonh83
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And? Indominus still has defining characteristics. They're easy enough to tell apart. I don't see how anyone could be confused by it. But now the conversation is running in circles, some feel it's too close, some don't, whatever. It is the way of things. When the hybrid was leaked, many thought it would look too stupid and not like a dinosaur. I think they found a happy medium. It's shaped like a T-Rex apart from the arms, but the color, spines, and notably the arms segregate them. The mouth is also far more pronounced and has a much wider range.
I didn't mind this so much because only the kids saw it and it's easy to assume that in the midst of all this chaos that they're pretty freaked, even traumatized -- I can see them not mentioning her. If there was some kind of aftermath to the attack (not the ending, the sequence itself, by the ending they're probably not going to mention Zara) where it could have been mentioned organically that'd be a different thing, but the events just keep up at a pace and I'm not sure that taking a moment to reinforce what we just saw would have been necessary.
Maybe a part where Claire's like "where's Zara?" and the kids look upset about it with a look from Claire, maybe-- but then everyone would just bitch about how the movie was trying to make us care about her at that point. Lose lose scenario. With the way people complain about stuff, even something like that would be spun around like a Tilt a Whirl in favor of negativity.
Demoncarnotaur
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Considering the way things played out, a scene like this was absolutely necessary. It also wouldn't need to be nearly as contrived as you make it seem here - I doubt people would complain if the film properly contextualized the death. Often times it's about what doesn't happen next rather than spelling it out - unfortunately Zara's death is brushed over, followed up by an out of place kiss and then cheesy jokes from the kids.
They really fucked up that portion of the film, hands down. That said, considering the kiss was improvised, I wonder how much changed on the fly and in the editing room leading to this scene being panned by so many.
evilromero
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Really loved this movie. Can't wait to watch it again when we get around to getting the Blu-Ray, though I'm thinking to just wait for the inevitable Ultra HD Blu-ray version.
brandonh83
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Just not sure how it could've been handled without feeling contrived, again people would just complain about how they were trying to make people care.
Demoncarnotaur
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Well, the acknowledgment of Eddies death in TLW worked.
Considering last Claire knew, Zara was supposed to be with the kids it makes sense that she would ask. It's actually weird as hell that she doesn't.
brandonh83
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Eddie was also a much bigger character. That felt right.
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