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Can we stop talking about the both idiot and focus on the vid?
It's clear Xiaoki didn't watch the vid, I mean when the point of the vid is how the media is giving a free pass to actual neonazis for the shit they do while inventing fake news to discredit antifas.
I mean what I take from that isn't that antifas need to stop doing what they do.
Heck there's even lawmakers who wants to make it legal to run over protesters!
 
Mael said:
Can we stop talking about the both idiot and focus on the vid?
It's clear Xiaoki didn't watch the vid, I mean when the point of the vid is how the media is giving a free pass to actual neonazis for the shit they do while inventing fake news to discredit antifas.
I mean what I take from that isn't that antifas need to stop doing what they do.
Heck there's even lawmakers who wants to make it legal to run over protesters!
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Word.

The guy in the video speaks the truth about this stuff while still having a good grasp of the nuance involved in it all.

The information on the lawmakers putting restrictions on protesting is just another in a fucking infinite list of the ways the right is hypocritical. How can you be so unwaveringly focused on the founding fathers and the constitution while being so quick to pass shit like this (targeting their opposition).

Shit like that is so prevalent. And these idiots have no care or comprehension on how this could swing around and fuck them if they're ever on the flipside--which they almost never are because conservatives are almost always the ones in power that need to be protested against (sort of obviously given their label--conservative).
 
Mael said:
Can we stop talking about the both idiot and focus on the vid?
It's clear Xiaoki didn't watch the vid, I mean when the point of the vid is how the media is giving a free pass to actual neonazis for the shit they do while inventing fake news to discredit antifas.
I mean what I take from that isn't that antifas need to stop doing what they do.
Heck there's even lawmakers who wants to make it legal to run over protesters!
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I watched the video. I watched the entire video and it seems that I am the only one here that did.

At 22:18 in the video he says "there are better ways to counter Nazis than punching them."

But the only message people here got was "keep punching Nazis!"

Holy crap! The video that people say I didnt watch is saying the same thing I am!
 
There are ways to counter Nazis other than punching them and that starts with the media doing a better job of holding fascists accountable for the crap they do and say and to actually do research into groups who claim to be sheep in wolves' clothing.
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Are you the media?

Am I the media?

Is GAF the media?

"better ways" lol. How disingenuous can you get.
 
That was actually pretty decent. I used to be involved with antifa about 10 or so years ago, back when EDL were making big strides here in the UK and specifically march for England were cunting about in my city. The shitest part of reporting these protests is the fact that often counter protesters get rolled into one group and branded antifa when often they're not and honestly antifa are well briefed on how to manipulate a situation to their favour when some of the other leftist protesters are not and so antifa takes the brunt of any trouble caused by a counter protester. Likewise the far right group is a fractured mess of splinter organisations. Using march for England as an example, you had the MfE protesters alongside golden dawn, EDL, pie boys... all sorts of flavours of Nazi hate groups. The media is lazy and this plays well into the rights narrative of being victimised since they can easily point to the "innocent" MfE group, which included women and children and were essentially invited along, willfuly as media shields for precisely that reason and totally overlook the fact that 5 yards away is a small splinter group of golden dawn because they don't know, or likely even care what the symbols on their flags represent. The fact that, at best, you could call the far right protesters enablers doesn't come into the picture unless you know the ins and outs and most people just don't care enough to know the details and it's too much like hard work for the journos.

Having said That, I stopped going to antifa meetings and going to rallies as part of the black bloc because frankly there is an awful lot of thugs involved whose politics are as deep as a puddle. I still support unite with monthly donations however because no matter if you agree with the methods of the antifa or not, fuck nazis.
 
Xiaoki said:
I watched the video. I watched the entire video and it seems that I am the only one here that did.

At 22:18 in the video he says "there are better ways to counter Nazis than punching them."

But the only message people here got was "keep punching Nazis!"

Holy crap! The video that people say I didnt watch is saying the same thing I am!
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No, he says "There are ways to counter Nazis, other than punching them." That's incredibly different. I can only hope you're just hearing what you want to hear and you didn't actually think people would not check the time-stamp and you could somehow redeem your original post.

Even still, it's a 23 minute long piece almost entirely focused on the media's, willful and completely avoidable, inability to accurately portray the news, Nazis and Antifa. And not at all about how Far Left people are counter productive and at fault here. He literally follows up your misquote by outlining exactly how the media should be doing their job and how their positions as journalist requires them to look beyond the facade these Far Right assholes put up and the manipulative antics they pull to actually deliver the truth of what they stand for and are doing.
 
the right wing are super happy to parade around with their free speech rules acting oppressed(milo literally just staged another "free speech" rally just because he wanted to get attention from it), but they'll turn around with a snap of the finger and be total hypocrites about everything they've ever proclaimed
 
Enduin said:
No, he says "There are ways to counter Nazis, other than punching them." That's incredibly different. I can only hope you're just hearing what you want to hear and you didn't actually think people would not check the time-stamp and you could somehow redeem your original post.

Even still, it's a 23 minute long piece almost entirely focused on the media's, willful and completely avoidable, inability to accurately portray the news, Nazis and Antifa. And not at all about how Far Left people are counter productive and at fault here. He literally follows up your misquote by outlining exactly how the media should be doing their job and how their positions as journalist requires them to look beyond the facade these Far Right assholes put up and the manipulative antics they pull to actually deliver the truth of what they stand for and are doing.
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Not at all about the Far Left being counter productive or at fault? Not at all? Really?!

Perhaps you should rewatch the video and pay close attention to him talk about the footage at 4:30.
 
PataHikari said:
Why are you defending nazis?
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How am I defending Nazi's? I am, in fact, generally against vigilante justice because people are morons and you end up with people targeting pediatricians instead of pedophiles, for example.
But I was just trying to say that making WWII analogies is a bad idea given the acts that the allies committed to win the war, fire bombing of Tokyo, Dresden, russian war crimes etc.
Eric the Red said:
I remember a million posts like this in the previous Nazi threads. "What about Nazi babies? Would you punch a Nazi baby too?" Endless dumb hypotheticals removed from the actual situation. It's pretty simple, a Nazi parading around in public is eventually gonna get punched by someone because that ideology has no place in modern society and society is trying to send it back into the dark corners of the internet. Actual Nazis, not Nazi babies, not their cousins twice removed or their Kinkos clerks.
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See you never once had to reference WWII to make your case.
 
Xiaoki said:
Not at all about the Far Left being counter productive or at fault? Not at all? Really?!

Perhaps you should rewatch the video and pay close attention to him talk about the footage at 4:30.
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Yes, he talks about it in detail and explains painstakingly that this is a tactic of the alt right. Not once did he say the far left was being counterproductive, this is what you're projecting onto him and what you keep doing. You watched this video, and then your brain filled in the gaps so that it aligns with your stance, which is exactly the phenomenon he's arguing against.

Even if he does, personally, feel that the antifa protestors were being counterproductive, he explicitly didn't mention it. You know why? I can guess why, but I admit this is just speculation. Because he knows if he says what you want him to say, "antifa is being counter productive", more people like you will use him as ammo to play the game of semantics and high horses.

This was a very cleverly scripted video. You can see he's always on the cusp of overtly criticizing the far left, but he never does, because he's aware of how quickly it can divide people who are all intents and purposes on the same "side".
 
Xiaoki said:
Not at all about the Far Left being counter productive or at fault? Not at all? Really?!

Perhaps you should rewatch the video and pay close attention to him talk about the footage at 4:30.
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This is embarrassing. He's talking about how those two dudes were pepper spraying antifa dudes to provoke a reaction, and people were taking that out of context. Just stop. You didn't watch the video, and came into this thread talking about how people punching Nazis are terrible or whatever even though that has nothing to do with the actual video, and now you're mad that you got called out on it
 
i like how xiaoki's only takeaway from this entire thread was people claiming they didnt watch the video, which is now the entirety of what their posts hinge on.
 
That guy in the trump polo needs to realize changing your clothes isn't like a Hitman game where other people just instantly forget your transgressions at the drop of a MAGA hat.

What a fucking turd.
 
Xiaoki said:
A lot of people say that "punching Nazis" is fine because we did it in WW2.

Well, that was a different time and a different war.

The war going on today is a propaganda war and, so far, the Nazis are winning.

Fighting violence with more violence is actually helping the far right.

So, reading the topic about Tom Morello on Bill Maher makes me sad that so many are falling for this obvious trap.
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Fuck sakes didn't even make 5 posts till this shit comes up
 
PataHikari said:
The part where you say that punching Nazi's will lead to us burning down a Kinkos.



So why are you defending Nazis?
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Did you read the very first part? The part about making WWII analogies being stupid? In no way did I say that punching Nazis will lead to burning down a Kinko's. But if you were following the Allied approach to defeating the Nazis then attacking the Kinko's where they made their leaflets would be exactly what you would do. Ergo, making WWII analogies is stupid and unnecessary.
 
poppabk said:
Did you read the very first part? The part about making WWII analogies being stupid? In no way did I say that punching Nazis will lead to burning down a Kinko's. But if you were following the Allied approach to defeating the Nazis then attacking the Kinko's where they made their leaflets would be exactly what you would do. Ergo, making WWII analogies is stupid and unnecessary.
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Is Kinko's run by Nazis? Staffed by Nazis? Sending Nazi's out to crush the UPS store in the name of the Third Reich?

No? It's not?

Then it's a dumb slippery slope argument made to defend Nazis.

So why are you defending Nazis?
 
Why don't people ever slippery slope letting Nazis speak freely? You can even see the slope for yourself if you took a gander at 1920s Germany. You don't need to invent hypothetical slopes along which a Kinko's burned down.

We know what happens when Nazis gather long enough. It's not pretty.
 
PataHikari said:
Is Kinko's run by Nazis? Staffed by Nazis? Sending Nazi's out to crush the UPS store in the name of the Third Reich?

No? It's not?

Then it's a dumb slippery slope argument made to defend Nazis.

Stop defending Nazis.
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Was Dresden full of Nazis? Were the streets of Japan filled with military personnel and supporters of the war? Was Estonia full of Nazi's?
 
Wow holy crap that video is straight up amazing journalism. I know Cracked is a comedy driven website but jeez, I was blown away. I couldn't even laugh at the jokes because of how serious and on point the deconstruction of nazis' modus operandi was. And bringing up how garbage the horseshoe theory really is made me remember that GAF thread about it and how even here there are a bunch of the "both sides" idiots. I'm beginning to hate centrist just as much as the alt-right now.
 
Someone please explain to me. I'm middle Eastern. Nazis are literally telling me explicitly that they want me dead. How am I supposed to debate that? Am I supposed to reason them out of this? At what point can I take action to defend myself? Should I doubt that they're serious? What do I do here? How many people do Nazis need to kill before we take their threat to be credible and do something about it?
 
nynt9 said:
Someone please explain to me. I'm middle Eastern. Nazis are literally telling me explicitly that they want me dead. How am I supposed to debate that? Am I supposed to reason them out of this? At what point can I take action to defend myself? Should I doubt that they're serious? What do I do here? How many people do Nazis need to kill before we take their threat to be credible and do something about it?
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I guess they need to start killing white people for them to take Nazis seriously.
 
nynt9 said:
Someone please explain to me. I'm middle Eastern. Nazis are literally telling me explicitly that they want me dead. How am I supposed to debate that? Am I supposed to reason them out of this? At what point can I take action to defend myself? Should I doubt that they're serious? What do I do here? How many people do Nazis need to kill before we take their threat to be credible and do something about it?
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Yeah as a black guy I'm lost as to why people think we need to just "hash it out" with people who want us dead. Like, nah fam. I'll admit I didn't take the Nazi threat serious in the months before Trump won, but that changed a very long time ago. The death count because of the Neo-Nazi threat is at one, and that's one too high.
 
TheChuggernaut said:
I mean, they already did in Charlottesville, and people are still on some "Both sides!" shit
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And it's not like an isolated madman either. The leaders of that protest supported the killing and called for more. Like, what more do you want to take them seriously?
 
The guy in the video who said he did it just for the fun. That little shit. I would fight a motherfucker over that.
 
This was a great Some News episode. Pretty depressing, but important and very well put together. I'd never cared about Cracked at all before, but Some News has been consistently pretty good. This one's one of the best so far though, I think...

ssolitare said:
I guess they need to start killing white people for them to take Nazis seriously.
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If the Nazis suddenly become leftists instead of right wing, then they'd be an actual problem. Before that though? Antifa is obviously far worse, they're left wing after all!
 
If you see a Nazi, punch them in the jaw.

If you think we need to hear them out and treat them with respect, you're an asshole.
 
TheChuggernaut said:
I mean, they already did in Charlottesville, and people are still on some "Both sides!" shit
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nynt9 said:
And it's not like an isolated madman either. The leaders of that protest supported the killing and called for more. Like, what more do you want to take them seriously?
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At this point I'm pretty sure the centrists/fence sitters won't budge until we have small scale genocide.
 
While I'm fine with violence against Nazis, White Supremacists, and other hate groups, it also plays right into their dog whistle tactics to make them look like the oppressed. Pretty much like the end of the video, their dog whistle tactics needs to be constantly called out and the media needs to do it as well. Nazis don't deserve balanced reporting because they call for genocide. For ethnic cleansing. They shouldn't have any side.
 
Xiaoki said:
A lot of people say that "punching Nazis" is fine because we did it in WW2.

Well, that was a different time and a different war.

The war going on today is a propaganda war and, so far, the Nazis are winning.

Fighting violence with more violence is actually helping the far right.

So, reading the topic about Tom Morello on Bill Maher makes me sad that so many are falling for this obvious trap.
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ignoring nazis and trying to play nice with them while they beat, kill and harass minorities has brought us to this situation where a nazi sympathizer is the POTUS. Hard to see any other direction than fighting fire with fire, when appropriate.
 
old said:
I didn't realize a guy tried to kill people with his car and got released without charges. WTF is going on there?
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It's like meeting with a foreign power specifically to collude to help win a Presidential election. Nothing came of it, he swears, after lying about why it happened in the first place, so it's a-ok! No harm, no foul!
 
John Caboose said:
I believe there's a big difference between "abstaining physical violence" and "hear them out and treat them with respect" but apparently a lot of people in this thread don't think so.

Fuck nazis.

Fuck violence.

Edit: My solution would include the rule of law and putting the nazis behind bars where they should be for being in literal nazi groups.
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You do see the flaw with that solution right? You need to fight the Nazis before you can change the rule of law because we have people in control right now that thinks violence (like punching) against a Nazi is equivalent of what the Nazis have done.

Stop with this silly "fuck violence" bullshit, most of the social progress we have right now in regards to the rights of minorities and woman used a combination of peace and violence and without the violence portion, who knows how long it would of taken.

It is just annoying seeing people make an effort to claim "violence isn't the answer" while the other side grows stronger and is fully okay with using violence any time they can. Do you know why it takes so long to push social progress? It is because we have people like you who want to wait on the "rule of law" and forgot how those laws got there in the first place. It literally is injustice you are arguing for while telling the victims that they need to wait a little longer. Nazism can't be allowed to fester even slightly, it should be stomped out the moment it is lit.
 
Xiaoki said:
A lot of people say that "punching Nazis" is fine because we did it in WW2.

Well, that was a different time and a different war.

The war going on today is a propaganda war and, so far, the Nazis are winning.

Fighting violence with more violence is actually helping the far right.

So, reading the topic about Tom Morello on Bill Maher makes me sad that so many are falling for this obvious trap.
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This is ridiculous.
 
If anyone defends nazi's here your a nazi sympathizer...it's that simple.

Don't be a fucking nazi, you dumbasses..fucking hell.
 
Xiaoki said:
A lot of people say that "punching Nazis" is fine because we did it in WW2.

Well, that was a different time and a different war.

The war going on today is a propaganda war and, so far, the Nazis are winning.

Fighting violence with more violence is actually helping the far right.

So, reading the topic about Tom Morello on Bill Maher makes me sad that so many are falling for this obvious trap.
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just wanted to be the 1000th person to tell you: this post is garbage, and all the centerist stuff you ride for is garbabe

hope i'm not late
 
travisbickle said:
Come on man, thereÂ’s only been two copycat-isis drive car into a crowd incidents.
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You do know this Nazi stuff only started after Trump was elected right? He hasn't even been in power for a year.. There is plenty of time for more "copycat-ISIS drive car into crowd" attacks you know.

The 1930 Nazis also didn't rise to power instantly either and this is in a relatively good economy/time of the country.
 
John Caboose said:
I believe there's a big difference between "abstaining physical violence" and "hear them out and treat them with respect" but apparently a lot of people in this thread don't think so.

Fuck nazis.

Fuck violence.

Edit: My solution would include the rule of law and putting the nazis behind bars where they should be for being in literal nazi groups.
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LOL. If the government/cops actually d̶i̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶j̶o̶b̶s̶ cared we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Therefore, we must punch nazis.
 
Great piece. The problem with Nazis is that they love manipulating the 'rules' of civil discourse to their own ends.

I don't think violence is ideal, but sometimes, we need to make use of it to really shut down a movement like this. I wouldn't punch a Nazi, but I'll happily indulge in schadenfreude if I see it happen. And besides, the left isn't the side outright killing people, especially with fucking cars.

Fuck Nazis, their views should not be tolerated, enabled or given a platform. There is no worthwhile debate to be had with a Nazi. They are the worst, there is no equivalence, aside from those few people who like Stalin and Mao (because, well, they killed a fuckton of people as well, you'd have to be really messed up to think those guys had great ideas).
 
That was honestly more illuminating of current news coverage and specific current events than anything the Daily Show has done since Stewart left. Comedy Central should try to hire these people to take over TDS.
 
Cracked and their some news videos are easily some of the best week in review news videos out now.

It manages to not only be funny and well written but they also never fail to highlight the seriousness of the situation.

Side note it's sad to see how every thread against the far right now seems to get clogged up by people defending them against protesters while never holding the same standards of the nazis themselves.
 
Xiaoki said:
A lot of people say that "punching Nazis" is fine because we did it in WW2.

Well, that was a different time and a different war.

The war going on today is a propaganda war and, so far, the Nazis are winning.

Fighting violence with more violence is actually helping the far right.

So, reading the topic about Tom Morello on Bill Maher makes me sad that so many are falling for this obvious trap.
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indeed.

not fighting back against Nazis sounds like a much better plan.
 
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