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[AOC83]

You won't see that leap in power with any next-gen console.

I´m pretty sure we will.

At most, you're getting half that leap. Regardless, games will look incredible no matter the platform. We know Wii U will contain a similar architecture and modern, up-to-date features that just aren't possible on PS360. These features will also be available on PS4/Xbox3. Scaling will be possible. If you happen to know what hardware is inside the Wii U, please, enlighten us. You know no more than the rest of us about the platform, yet make extraordinary claims that can only be made if you know exactly what hardware is inside. If you are making these claims based on launch titles, then I don't know what else to say. Just get more informed.

I´m basing theses claims on the information (leaks, developer statements) we got and of course the launch titles. And i see no problem doing so because the launch titles are clearly an indicator of a systems power.

Regarding the bold, I present to you, the Playstation and Playstation 2. Because somehow you have forgotten that those consoles were the weakest of their respective generations.

Dreamcast and Saturn would like to have a word.

 

[Sarcastic Response]

So buy Crysis 3 on my PC? Gotcha Crytek.

 

[Ryoku]

I´m pretty sure we will.

Rumored/confirmed specs say otherwise.

I´m basing theses claims on the information (leaks, developer statements) we got and of course the launch titles. And i see no problem doing so because the launch titles are clearly an indicator of a systems power.

Yeah, this is when I stop taking you seriously. You clearly did not read my last post clearly. You didn't address my arguments that brought up these very same points, but instead, ignored them.

Dreamcast and Saturn would like to have a word.

Fair enough, but I would like to point out that the reason I brought that up in my last post is due to most people who make such a claim as yours tend to assume (for whatever reason) that Sony always had the most powerful consoles. It was my fault for assuming that you thought the same.

 

[bangai-o]

they make some fps games and they reached their creative limit? thats awful.

 

[jerd]

I still had a SD Tv when i got my launch 360 and was very impressed of titles like Kameo, Call of Duty 2, PGR, King Kong at the beginning and Oblivion/Ghost Recon a few month later.
Definitely way ahead of the old generation.

I do remember being blown away by oblivion, but I'm fairly sure you could easily put an SD Mario galaxy on inferior hardware up against an SD kameo. Plus we have to remember that Nintendo has shown absolutely nothing for post launch.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

they make some fps games and they reached their creative limit? thats awful.

Look how awesome Roman architecture looks, can someone please enlighten me in why aren't we building skyscrapers out of concrete and marble?

 

[Death Dealer]

You won't see that leap in power with any next-gen console.

People still believe this ?

Rumored/confirmed specs say otherwise.

The rumors do confirm that. 10x leap easily. Next gen PS/XB will look just as impressive compared to this gen, as their predecessors did against the consoles they replaced.

 

[Thrakier]

I just can't think of a good financial reason for going balls out on graphics on the PC. Going by the Steam survey, most people have crap hardware and the only other PC game in the genre that looks anywhere near as good as Crysis is from the same publisher.

So they're either prepping to bring that eye candy to the living room or they just like having their balls out.

They also have a certain reputation and they are reselling their engine.

 

[c0Zm1c]

If only Crytek were putting as much effort into the gameplay as they are the graphics. Crysis is looking more like a Call of Duty clone these days than the ambitious freeform shooter it was back in 2007 and, looking further back, Far Cry in 2004. What happened?

 

[UnblessedSoul]

They didn't take the current consoles anywhere, porting from pc wont get you great results

 

[Palette Swap]

When did Crytek become the mouthpiece of all development?
I liked Crysis, but it was a PC game, i don't think they have the right to moan CONSTANTLY about console hardware after making one mediocre shooter.

It's not about moaning constantly. They've established themselves as (at least) great engine designers, that really push the envelope. So they're totally relevant to make these kinds of comments. As are DICE, Epic, id or Naughty Dog for example.

 

[catashtrophe]

Crytek made zero impact on consoles especially the PS3.

Porting both Crysis games may have been an achievement but the results were not exactly great (Sub HD, pop up, Tearing, disgraceful a AI etc). On the PS3 their games aren’t even close to the best looking games on the system.

 

[Feindflug]

There should always be room for improvement, no matter how minimal it is. Optimizations with assets alone could provide an improvement and was one of the areas they needed to improve with their console development.

Exactly, the big frame-rate drops were somewhat strange at times and things got really bad when enemies were triggered...maybe it's something wrong with their AI routines? either way as you say every engine has always room for improvement and in the case of Crysis 3 performance and IQ is where they should focus, Crysis 2 (at least on 360) looked amazing so graphically I don't think that there is any need or even the resources for pushing even further the engine as far as visuals go.

 

[Sid]

Isn't crytek gonna be making only f2p games after crysis 3?

 

[Ryoku]

People still believe this ?



The rumors do confirm that. 10x leap easily. Next gen PS/XB will look just as impressive compared to this gen, as their predecessors did against the consoles they replaced.

I'm saying we won't get the hardware jump we saw last gen to current-gen. 10x leap isn't the leap we got from last gen to current gen. It was much bigger. Think twice that. Of course, that's not to say that games won't look incredible--they certainly will, considering how much console devs try to push the hardware.

 

[TUROK]

CryEngine not pushing the 360/PS3 enough is the problem.

This is fucking hilarious. The game struggled to run on both consoles yet it didn't push either console enough?

 

[Radec]

This is fucking hilarious. The game struggled to run on both consoles yet it didn't push either console enough?

And yet other games are more beautiful than C2 on the PS3/360 and doesn't struggled like C2 did.

Fucking Hilarious.

 

[Eideka]

That's Ok Crytek, I'm going to play Crysis 3 on PC.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

And yet other games are more beautiful than C2 on the PS3/360 and doesn't struggled like C2 did.

Fucking Hilarious.

Aesthetics arguments seem out of place, a beautiful game doesn't need dynamic shadows or fancy light propagation algorithms.

 

[Krappadizzle]

And yet other games are more beautiful than C2 on the PS3/360 and doesn't struggled like C2 did.

Fucking Hilarious.

This was almost guaranteed due to the fact that it was a multi-platformed title. Crysis 1 still to this day, years later, looks better than anything that either console can manage. Uncharted 2, is IMO the absolute best looking console game released to date. But, it's still not Crysis 1. There is a reason that Crysis 1 isn't on consoles(and the 360 port doesn't count as it's made with Crysis 2 engine which stripped a lot of what C1 did so well on the PC). I love my consoles, I do, I have all of them, but, I haven't turned them on for quite a while. I have a GTX 680 and it has brought me back to PC gaming, and it made me realize how much I love PC gaming. Witcher 2, Hard Reset, Cry of Fear mod, DayZ, Amnesia on PC are just insanely fun, and current gen console hardware just can't do those, or do them as well without stripping them of what make them so good to begin with.

 

[Amagon]

Crymoar!

 

[Ryoku]

This was almost guaranteed due to the fact that it was a multi-platformed title. Crysis 1 still to this day, years later, looks better than anything that either console can manage. Uncharted 2, is IMO the absolute best looking console game released to date. But, it's still not Crysis 1. There is a reason that Crysis 1 isn't on consoles(and the 360 port doesn't count as it's made with Crysis 2 engine which stripped a lot of what C1 did so well on the PC). I love my consoles, I do, I have all of them, but, I haven't turned them on for quite a while. I have a GTX 680 and it has brought me back to PC gaming, and it made me realize how much I love PC gaming. Witcher 2, Hard Reset, Cry of Fear mod, DayZ, Amnesia on PC are just insanely fun, and current gen console hardware just can't do those, or do them as well without stripping them of what make them so good to begin with.

I will point out that Crysis 2 vanilla did not look worse than Crysis 1 because of the engine. The engine itself (Cryengine 3) is superior to Cryengine 2 (the one used in Crysis). Had Crysis 1 been re-released on PC with Cryengine 3, it'd be the most beautiful game out there, technology-wise. As for now, with the proper mods and texture packs, Crysis 2 looks better than Crysis 1.

 

[samman6]

Guys honest question here, but what other games use cryengine tech all I can think of is crysis.

Also you have to read between the lines here, of course crytek, is saying this because they want new consoles soon. They want a new machine on which they can market and sell their new engine. All the main engine developers are looking at this console launch as a key cornerstone for their engine licenses. They want to be the UE3 of the next gen.

 

[Bleepey]

I just can't think of a good financial reason for going balls out on graphics on the PC. Going by the Steam survey, most people have crap hardware and the only other PC game in the genre that looks anywhere near as good as Crysis is from the same publisher.

So they're either prepping to bring that eye candy to the living room or they just like having their balls out.

I'd have thought deals with graphics card makers and it helps ensures your game has legs. "Oh shit i just bought a new PC, what game can i run on it to give it a good workout?" but i am not a PC gamer and my graphics card is an 8 year old piece of integrated shit.Lord knows i need to get a new PC.

 

[tkscz]

Controller =/= console power

*reads article

Umm.... he never brought up the power of the U.

As for the Cryengine, I love the effort put into it, but it is not an engine that is well optimized for the current-gen.

I´m pretty confident that Sony/Ms will deliver everything that is needed to provide a decent generational leap btw, they always have.

How did they always have? This is MS second console and this is the first time Sony has made a powerful console. History, how fast we forget it.

 

[TUROK]

And yet other games are more beautiful than C2 on the PS3/360 and doesn't struggled like C2 did.

Fucking Hilarious.

"More beautiful" means nothing. There are only a handful of games on the market that push technological boundaries on consoles like Crysis 2 does.

People need to stop thinking that an aesthetically pleasing game equals one that's on the cutting edge of tech.

This was almost guaranteed due to the fact that it was a multi-platformed title. Crysis 1 still to this day, years later, looks better than anything that either console can manage. Uncharted 2, is IMO the absolute best looking console game released to date. But, it's still not Crysis 1. There is a reason that Crysis 1 isn't on consoles(and the 360 port doesn't count as it's made with Crysis 2 engine which stripped a lot of what C1 did so well on the PC).

How does Crysis 1 not count? The only thing stripped out of the 360 port is the VTOL level. Otherwise it's practically identical.

 

[Criminal Upper]

"We simply can't be innovative or creative without more power. It's just impossible."

 

[Canis lupus]

And a year ago they were giving signals that there was still huge potential.

 

[Derrick01]

Isn't crytek gonna be making only f2p games after crysis 3?

Yes and that's exactly why everyone should just stop listening to them run their mouths.

 

[AOC83]

How did they always have? This is MS second console and this is the first time Sony has made a powerful console. History, how fast we forget it.

All three Sony consoles were powerful when they were released, try again.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

I don't think this current generation was direly in need of "better graphics" as opposed to "new game ideas". No mainstream developer has succeeded in introducing something besides fps/tps and racing games.

How about developers worry less about getting more horse power so they can improve the same games, and instead think of creating new types of games. If not new types of games, at least re-inventing forgotten genres. There is still so much that can be done in the next year or so.

 

[tkscz]

All three Sony consoles were powerful when they were released, try again.

But not the jump they were this gen. Honestly, Nintendo had always made those jumps up until the Wii. Playstation to PS2 was big, but not PS2 to PS3 big.

I don't think this current generation was direly in need of "better graphics" as opposed to "new game ideas". No mainstream developer has succeeded in introducing something besides fps/tps and racing games.

How about developers worry less about getting more horse power so they can improve the same games, and instead think of creating new types of games. If not new types of games, at least re-inventing forgotten genres. There is still so much that can be done in the next year or so.

Dude, take a look at the forum you're on. Graphics are a number 1 concern for Gaf and next gen, and as long as devs see this from not just gaf, but gamers in general, that will be their focus.

 

[AOC83]

Rumored/confirmed specs say otherwise.

Is that so? Haven´t heard of anything confirmed that points in this direction.

Yeah, this is when I stop taking you seriously. You clearly did not read my last post clearly. You didn't address my arguments that brought up these very same points, but instead, ignored them.

What arguments exactly? You just hope that the WiiU is a powerful machine and that it gets all the PS4/720 ports. From what we have seen until now, very unlikely to happen.

Fair enough, but I would like to point out that the reason I brought that up in my last post is due to most people who make such a claim as yours tend to assume (for whatever reason) that Sony always had the most powerful consoles. It was my fault for assuming that you thought the same.

Not the most powerful, but powerful. Something we can´t say over the WiiU.

 

[Reiko]

"We simply can't be innovative or creative without more power. It's just impossible."

Crysis 2 on consoles just needed more RAM for dat pop in.

 

[AOC83]

But not the jump they were this gen. Honestly, Nintendo had always made those jumps up until the Wii. Playstation to PS2 was big, but not PS2 to PS3 big.

I don´t know if the jump from PSX to PS2 was as big as PS2 to PS3, but does that really matter? Sony provided a clear generational leap in graphics every single generation, and that´s what they´ll do with the PS4. That´s their philosophy and that´s a major selling point of their hardware ( there was even a e3 interview where Sony talked about that).

Nintendo is following a different path now, i got no issue with that but we shouldn´t call their hardware a powerful machine, which it clearly isn´t.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Yeah, yeah, I know developers and gamers are getting tired of this generation, but imo another reason this generation lasted so long is because the hardware to my knowledge has sold reasonably well and at a consistent rate. I always insinuated the next generation would generally start when console hardware sales slow down I would think. The X360 and the PS3 hasn't even dropped to budget prices yet such as $99 or $149 yet. I'm pretty sure they can squeeze out more admirable numbers from another price drop.

 

[CerebralTiger]

"More beautiful" means nothing. There are only a handful of games on the market that push technological boundaries on consoles like Crysis 2 does.

Pushing technological boundaries on consoles at the cost of resolution, LOD pop-ins, and frame rate - is that a fair trade-off?

 

[Corleth the Fey]

Come on Mike, stop giving us the 'Runabout'!

 

[Radec]

"More beautiful" means nothing. There are only a handful of games on the market that push technological boundaries on consoles like Crysis 2 does.

It did ?

:O

 

[Darklord]

So now that we have that separated out, we can focus on the PC and really giving the PC users that much extra of a visual experience.

So back to Crysis 1 quality?

 

[catashtrophe]

"More beautiful" means nothing. There are only a handful of games on the market that push technological boundaries on consoles like Crysis 2 does.

Thats meaningless since Crysis 2 is a technical mess on consoles, the game has zero optimisation and sacrificed everything from resolution to textures, ai etc for its console début.

Thats not pushing boundaries that porting a high end PC game to consoles and having it run poor.

 

[specialguy]

This didn't really need a thread...

So back to Crysis 1 quality?

I see you've never played a Crysis game. Crysis 2 contrary to popular opinion was graphically >Crysis 1, and Crysis 3 based on videos even more so, to the point where if you side by sided C3:C1 it's probably be a generation gap.

 

[Darklord]

I see you've never played a Crysis game

Wrong.

 

[tci]

64 bit only please. Dice is already on that now. 2gb address space good bye, finally

 

[omonimo]

Huh, if you have detailed information please share.

I don't know about 360 but how I have said a lot of times crytek claimed on ps3 use just one pool of the memory for the graphic, (basically 256 MB) so I think needs to be quiet at least in the ps3 'front'. Don't let me wrong, for use a misery 256 MB of RAM is quiet phenomenal how is turned out at the end on the ps3...

 

[omonimo]

But not the jump they were this gen. Honestly, Nintendo had always made those jumps up until the Wii. Playstation to PS2 was big, but not PS2 to PS3 big.



Dude, take a look at the forum you're on. Graphics are a number 1 concern for Gaf and next gen, and as long as devs see this from not just gaf, but gamers in general, that will be their focus.

Of course, more generations passed & more the jump will be little; not have to do to sony this problem. ps3 to ps4 will be even more little...

 

[Yoda]

This didn't really need a thread...



I see you've never played a Crysis game. Crysis 2 contrary to popular opinion was graphically >Crysis 1, and Crysis 3 based on videos even more so, to the point where if you side by sided C3:C1 it's probably be a generation gap.

I disagree, with both games running texture mods + other visual mods, I think the original Crysis looks far superior. Crysis 2 has tessellation, but its NYC environments are no where near as vibrant as the jungle in the original Crysis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wzz6DeDewc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0xKlQWlijM

 

[Eideka]

ps3 to ps4 will be even more little...

God I hope not. I want an even bigger jump for next-gen.

 

[Neuromancer]

Not particularly surprising and probably won't matter anyway since Crytek's got this big F2P push.

 

[Death Dealer]

Yes and that's exactly why everyone should just stop listening to them run their mouths.

They are the worst mainstream developer when it comes to bragging and running their mouth.

They haven't made a good game in a long time. I'm waiting for next gen when people will start referring to Crytek as the "new id".