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Cyclist who struck & killed pedestrian facing $3.75 fine
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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How do they act this way? If you listed the reasons, some of us could explain to you why they behave that way so you may have a clearer understanding of what they're thinking. Most bike riding behavior on the road isn't about arrogance but self-defense and being seen. Unfortunately most people have never actually used a bike on the road so they perceive most cyclist behavior as being elitist and selfish rather than what it is.Pein said:
100% this. At least here in Austin (fair amount of cyclists), the people who do ride their bikes on the sidewalk are typically the meandering type. The thought of someone riding full speed on the sidewalk is one of the craziest things I've ever heard.WorriedCitizen said:
And mopeds on the sidewalk? Wtf? What kind of idiot does that? Good thing there is universal healthcare in Canada.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's only some cyclist. All it takes it a handful out of hundreds of cyclist to piss someone off by running lights, cutting off cars already in the middle of a turn, trying to beat a streetcar opening its doors and thus nearly running over people, riding on a busy side walk instead of walking and going to a street that's more clear. Most cyclist in Toronto obey the rules and you barely notice them. But there are a few that break them, and everyone then takes notice.
This goes for nearly every mode of transit.
crazy monkey
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I would not drive on the road too. I always drive on a walkway but I do not go fast at all. I some time even walk with bike. What happened to gentalman was tragic but there will be far more death and injuries on the road if the bikes are allowed there.
Prophet Steve
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Yup, The Netherlands are perfect for bicycles. Cars and bicycles also aren't acting like complete dicks to each other.dragonelite said:
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They should install lots of ramps so cyclists can constantly do lots of sweet jumps. If they're up in the air they can't hit anyone. This would solve the problem.
i've had close calls in a car with cyclists who dont know how to ride. I have no problem with bikes on the street, there are a ton where i live and drive my car, things go smoothly... but if you want to be treated like a car, the same rules apply to you as well. If you turn in front of me without warning or notice, or dont stop at a 4 way stop sign, then fuck you
DopeyFish said:
works perfectly in Europe bro
cyclists don't belong on the pavement, the speed difference between pedestrians and cyclists is too great
within city limits (50 km/h roads) cyclist can easily share the road with cars, as long as car drivers are trained/familiar with sharing the road with cyclists (that is one of the most important aspects of getting your driving license in western europe) , i.e. looking in their mirrors when taking turns across bike lanes, judging when to overtake a cyclist and so on
outside city limits cyclists should have their own lanes separated from the road cars travel on, again because the difference in speed becomes to great. Although distance between communities in North America can be pretty large so there's less need for those.
The combination of lack of bike lanes and car drivers who don't know how to drive on the same road as a cyclist makes cycling pretty dangerous in most of North America, and when cycling on the pavement even 10 km/h (half of what you would normally do) is over twice as fast as a pedestrian. Cycling on pavement is a €50 fine here
also cyclist of course shouldn't run red lights and should always use their hands to indicate when they're about to turn ... whether you are in a car or on a bike being a dick in traffic is always dangerous =]
I'm interested to see whether more North-American cities will adopt this Dutch/European model to encourage cycling (it's so greeeen) or whether they will just go for electric vehicles (which are sorta green but very much noiseless and thus even harder for cyclists to deal with than loud combustion engine cars).
The bad rep comes from the idiots who blow through stoplights and don't follow traffic laws. Bad apples always stand out and these types are so egregious that its impossible to not get jaded.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
The other issue is that bike riders are obviously much slower most of the time and even with a bike lane, people typically drift over to the other lane to get around them which is nerveracking for every car nearby.
Judging from the responses in this thread it's no wonder I feel like people are out to kill me when I'm riding my bike. MotoGaf: "Get off my roads! Self entitled bicyclist think you own everything!". Walkgaf: "Get off my sidewalk and bikepath! Self entitled bicyclist think you own everything!". Guess I'll stop shouting "Passing on left" as it only alerts you to grab your gun.
littleworm
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This is why cities and other communities need to put money into developing bike lanes, and no those shitty three foot wide lanes next to roads that people park their cars on and last for all 500 feet.
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Nappuccino said:
You still have no business being on the sidewalk on a bike. If your city is too scary to ride in the street, that sucks. Either deal with it or don't ride a bike. Riding a bicycle full speed on the sidewalk is fucking retarded and dangerous. I hope the guy who got fined here also gets a full vehicular manslaughter charge or whatever else is applicable.
gutter_trash
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suing traffic accidents for money in Canada is not common.
in the old days in Quebec, anyone could sue anyone and left many people with huge legal bills especially if they didn't have a lawyer in the family.
so they changed things by making Car Insurance mandatory and introduced the No Fault Clause to prevent people for suing for money when came to car related incidents.
oh yeah and they change the wording from accident to incident. because accident implies fault.
in the old days in Quebec, anyone could sue anyone and left many people with huge legal bills especially if they didn't have a lawyer in the family.
so they changed things by making Car Insurance mandatory and introduced the No Fault Clause to prevent people for suing for money when came to car related incidents.
oh yeah and they change the wording from accident to incident. because accident implies fault.
Technosteve
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razielim said:
stay off the sidewalk it's the law
thezerofire
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except when they don't.littleworm said:
Our bike lanes have cars in them, and when they don't they're more than halfway comprised of the gutter, so you have about an eight inch strip of pavement to ride on. It's pretty ridiculous.
gutter_trash
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bike lines by itself are not perfect,
they should install traffic lights for bikes similar to pedestrian DON"T WALK type of traffic lights
in Montreal, we have this retarded bike lane on the left side of a busy one way street and any car attempting to do a Left Turn must look at two directions back n forth real quick because the bikes can go through green at anytime from both directions without their own light
installing a cyclist traffic lights would alleviate this quibble
they should install traffic lights for bikes similar to pedestrian DON"T WALK type of traffic lights
in Montreal, we have this retarded bike lane on the left side of a busy one way street and any car attempting to do a Left Turn must look at two directions back n forth real quick because the bikes can go through green at anytime from both directions without their own light
installing a cyclist traffic lights would alleviate this quibble
edgefusion
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I cannot stand cyclists who ride on pavements, it's a pet peeve of mine. My best friend was hit by one when she was younger and ended up in a hospital clinging to life, she has a permanent fear of cyclists now. I've also been hit by a bike on the pavement but luckily only suffered a broken finger and a scratched up face. I don't care what shitty excuse they have, If they don't want to ride on the road then don't ride at all. It's inexcusable to put peoples lives in danger because you want to be a reckless fool.
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In the days of horse-drawn carriages, drivers were encouraged to try to run pedestrians down for sport. Some of the old laws from this time are still on the books in a few cities.Magnus said:
thezerofire
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But it's definitely mandatory that you put your own life in danger because others are reckless fools, right?edgefusion said:
Technosteve
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razielim said:
in jersey this is the rule on trails, bike paths. See that? we follow those rules
gutter_trash
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Zoe said:
one light fits all does not work on a one way street with the bike lanes on the LEFT SIDE that go both ways
they should implement a BIKE LIGHT to give right of way for bikes then have a TURN LEFT priority LIGHT for cars to allow them to turn LEFT because it is real ugly
gutter_trash
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nah ,that bike path is both waysgcubed said:
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Honestly, I don't know what the solution is. I grew up in a small town where the roads had plenty of room for everyone. Then I moved to the city. No way am I riding a bike here.
J-Rod said:
Just bike moderate speed to slow on a sidewalk, if there's not a lot of room on the road or proper bike paths. Seems silly to put anyone at risk here. If you want to ride fast for leisure, find a bike path. If you need to get to work/school quickly, do it in the road and don't put anyone else at risk. It's not rocket science, no matter what this article says. Getting hit by a car on the road though seems much more comprehensible than an incident on the sidewalk though I'll say.
Broder Salsa
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apana said:
I like living life on the edge.
DoctorWho said:
They look really good when I went to Roncy earlier this week. At first they were not painted with the white strip, so they sort of blended into the road. Now they're obviously raised, and I don't have fear of motorist running up on them. Just the general look of Roncesvalles is amazing now with the trees, plants, streetcar platforms and bike lanes.
Best neighborhood in the city, although I do have a soft spot for The Beach.
thezerofire
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I do go slowly when I'm on the sidewalk and there are people there. If there's no one there I'll go whatever speed I want, but it's still not going to be as fast as I ride on the road.apana said:
It's like people here don't realize there's a middle ground where people on bikes don't speed on the sidewalk.
I really don't understand why they put major bike lanes on busy streets, put them on sidestreets....
I do all my riding (exercise) on the humber trail and even then I have to ding my stupid bell 50 times before the people taking up the entire path move for me. I hit 35-40kmph on there too.
I do all my riding (exercise) on the humber trail and even then I have to ding my stupid bell 50 times before the people taking up the entire path move for me. I hit 35-40kmph on there too.
thezerofire said:
You do realise that not every person rides that way, and there are bicyclist that will go incredible speeds in very busy areas of major cities because they don't care. These are the people most will complain about.
ConvenientBox said:
Make Queen St, between Yonge and Bathurst car free. Only street cars, bicycles and pedestrians. Then pull the 504 streetcar off King St, and make it car only. It could be beautiful. ;_;
I don't cycle on the street because I like living.
However I also come to a complete stop for pedestrians or at least slow down to something like 3-5mph when going way around them.
The people that cycle past you at 30mph an inch away are morons asking for a horrific accident, though.
I've even had the police tell me to get back on the sidewalk :lol
However I also come to a complete stop for pedestrians or at least slow down to something like 3-5mph when going way around them.
The people that cycle past you at 30mph an inch away are morons asking for a horrific accident, though.
I've even had the police tell me to get back on the sidewalk :lol
MrOogieBoogie
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Am I the only one who loves biking in traffic? I live in NYC and it's exhilarating going down Broadway from Harlem to Times Square alongside the taxis and swarms of other vehicles.
I am a very careful rider, though--as careful as I can be. I always look behind me before merging onto another lane. I always signal. I always wait for a car to make a right-hand turn if I'm behind it. One thing I never do, however, is go onto the sidewalk. I despise, DESPISE cyclists who ride their bicycles on sidewalks. It's a sideWALK. It's made for WALKING, you asshole.
But don't take my advice. I still don't own a helmet. :| Then again, I pride myself on the fact that in the past three months I can recall only a few instances where a driver has even honked at me, and not one of those times was it ever remotely a dangerous situation.
Be smart. Be alert.
But more bike lanes wouldn't hurt.
I am a very careful rider, though--as careful as I can be. I always look behind me before merging onto another lane. I always signal. I always wait for a car to make a right-hand turn if I'm behind it. One thing I never do, however, is go onto the sidewalk. I despise, DESPISE cyclists who ride their bicycles on sidewalks. It's a sideWALK. It's made for WALKING, you asshole.
But don't take my advice. I still don't own a helmet. :| Then again, I pride myself on the fact that in the past three months I can recall only a few instances where a driver has even honked at me, and not one of those times was it ever remotely a dangerous situation.
Be smart. Be alert.
But more bike lanes wouldn't hurt.
thezerofire said:
Hey a fellow reasonable cyclist! Not sure why we're labeling all bike riders as pricks because a couple are. I don't think all drivers are careless morons because I see many texting while driving everyday. I'm just cautious around everyone no matter how they're getting around as I value my life.
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