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[MUnited83]

I could list a bunch of games, but there's no way we're going to have proper discussion. All I'm saying is it's not very impressive to get 150k sales when some unfinished low effort game like The Forest can have over 2 million people buying it.

Listen, I'm glad it's on steam, I wouldn't have gotten to play these games if they weren't on there, but this isn't that impressive.



But nobody owns a Vita, the steam version should have passed the Vita version in days.

The Forest is anything but a "low effort game", you might want to know stuff before you talk.
Danganronpa is also a visual novel, so I don't see why the hell you would compare it to the Forest. It's a comparison that makes no sense whatsoever. Might as well compare it to GTA V numbers at that point. You really have to understand that different games will have different expectations on what are supposed to be good sales.
"Nobody" owns a Vita? Visual novel fans usually do if you haven't noticed yet.
Again, considering how late these ports were, these are darn good numbers.

 

[Powwa]

No way? It'll easily eclipse it, Steam games have legs that the Vita won't match. And install bases don't matter as much as you'd think for niche games.

I very much doubt a game this niche will manage to sell more than double of it's sales after several months. Vita version is also still selling, so I don't really see it.

Series lifetime sales will likely approach a million on Steam.

Lol, how many VNs to this day managed to pass a million sales?

 

[chicagocubsfan]

This is the first time I've seen anyone say anything good about UDG

Music was pretty good.

 

[GhostTrick]

I very much doubt a game this niche will manage to sell more than double of it's sales after several months. Vita version is also still selling, so I don't really see it.

Which it kept doing over the last few months ? You don't really see it because you're uninformed about sales data on Steam. The game has yet to see a big sale and hasn't even seen it's first christmas sale.
And you'd be surprised about how some titles can have really long legs.

Here's a fast exemple: Trails in the Sky FC. In 7 months, it did sold 100k units on Steam:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1004506
Nowadays, it's sitting at nearly 200k, so nearly double that sales, on a nicher title than Danganronpa, and without being bundled or ever discounted beyond 50%.
http://steamspy.com/app/251150

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Lol, how many VNs to this day managed to pass a million sales?

How many VNs get official releases on multiple platforms and have direct sequels with more games coming?

 

[Christhor]

The Forest is anything but a "low effort game", you might want to know stuff before you talk.
Danganronpa is also a visual novel, so I don't see why the hell you would compare it to the Forest. It's a comparison that makes no sense whatsoever. Might as well compare it to GTA V numbers at that point. You really have to understand that different games will have different expectations on what are supposed to be good sales.
"Nobody" owns a Vita? Visual novel fans usually do if you haven't noticed yet.
Again, considering how late these ports were, these are darn good numbers.

You need to calm down, bro.

Nobody owns a Vita compared to how many people have steam accounts and use them. Visual novels is a PC genre too, so you can't use that as an argument. Not that Danganronpa is actually a straight up visual novel.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

Wonderful. Now they can localize and port across the old Human Entertainment games like Twilight Syndrome (Search & Investigate - Suda's directorial debut), Moonlight Syndrome and Clock Tower series.

 

[MUnited83]

You need to calm down, bro.

Nobody owns a Vita compared to how many people have steam accounts and use them. Visual novels is a PC genre too, so you can't use that as an argument. Not that Danganronpa is actually a straight up visual novel.

Check how the visual novel market actually works then, and once again, you'll see that these are good numbers.

 

[Grief.exe]

I very much doubt a game this niche will manage to sell more than double of it's sales after several months. Vita version is also still selling, so I don't really see it.



Lol, how many VNs to this day managed to pass a million sales?

That's how the platform works, due to proliferation of sales, infinite forwards compatibility, diverse consumer base, and constant growth games continue to generate revenue for years and years.

Danganronpa series will assuredly be in bundles, very cheap sales, and other promotions over the years which will continue the series progress towards one million. Granted, there will be a ceiling on this type of release due to its niche appeal.

VN's, and Japanese games in general, are a relatively new genre to Steam. The last couple of years have seen a deluge of releases as Japanese publishers realize that the platform is viable outside of the country.

Valkyria Chronicles is a good correlation for this. Very late port, very niche, good word of mouth, approached ~200,000 sales in a similar time frame. Now, a few years later, the game is approaching 900,000 sales. It's not a stretch to assume the series will approach one million sales lifetime.

 

[Powwa]

Which it kept doing over the last few months ? You don't really see it because you're uninformed about sales data on Steam. The game has yet to see a big sale and hasn't even seen it's first christmas sale.
And you'd be surprised about how some titles can have really long legs.

I am a Steam user and I follow sales data, "you're uninformed" is a really weak arguement so let's keep that out of here.

I don't see it because we are talking about a niche genre from a small publisher. It has good word of mouth but these kinda games are front loaded. Game also has an anime style going for it which doesn't appeal to a huge audience. Even though not the same genre you can compare the sales data of games like Trails in the sky I guess.

After DR 3 announcement it will see a boost though.

That's how the platform works, due to proliferation of sales, infinite forwards compatibility, diverse consumer base, and constant growth games continue to generate revenue for years and years.

Danganronpa series will assuredly be in bundles, very cheap sales, and other promotions over the years which will continue the series progress towards one million. Granted, there will be a ceiling on this type of release due to its niche appeal.

VN's, and Japanese games in general, are a relatively new genre to Steam. The last couple of years have seen a deluge of releases as Japanese publishers realize that the platform is viable outside of the country.

Valkyria Chronicles is a good correlation for this. Very late port, very niche, good word of mouth, approached ~200,000 sales in a similar time frame. Now, a few years later, the game is approaching 900,000 sales. It's not a stretch to assume the series will approach one million sales lifetime.

I don't disagree with most points you mentioned, VC had incredible sales but again it's not a VN and has a style that may appeal to western fans. I still don't think DR achieving those numbers.

Besides I never said platform was not viable, that's why I think DR3 will get a Steam release.

 

[JulianImp]

Now let's all hope that as few people as possible from among those 150K ever learn about the Danganronpa anime.

The games are certainly some of the more interactive visual novels out there, and I personally like non-stop debates and closing summaries a lot more than the courtroom mechanics in the Ace Attorney series. All in all, I'm glad they're doing well, since that makes it more likely they'll try to get v3 localized on Steam sooner than if DR was just another niche series in the west.

 

[Mendrox]

You need to calm down, bro.

Nobody owns a Vita compared to how many people have steam accounts and use them. Visual novels is a PC genre too, so you can't use that as an argument. Not that Danganronpa is actually a straight up visual novel.

God damn stop it finally. You dont know what you are talking about. these numbers are really good for such a niche game. Yes that is the truth. Also you cannot compare it to the Foresf at all.

 

[GhostTrick]

I am a Steam user and I follow sales data, "you're uninformed" is a really weak arguement so let's keep that out of here.

I don't see it because we are talking about a niche genre from a small publisher. It has good word of mouth but these kinda games are front loaded. Game also has an anime style going for it which doesn't appeal to a huge audience. Even though not the same genre you can compare the sales data of games like Trails in the sky I guess.

After DR 3 announcement it will see a boost though.


I don't disagree with most points you mentioned, VC had incredible sales but again it's not a VN and has a style that may appeal to western fans. I still don't think DR achieving those numbers.

Besides I never said platform was not viable, that's why I think DR3 will get a Steam release.

It's not weak though, and I don't mean to be patronizing with that. But there are a lot of cases of niche games of that genre, which kept seeing growing sales over months and years. Take Recettear for exemple. It was at like 200k 2 years ago and is now at 450k.

 

[Powwa]

It's not weak though, and I don't mean to be patronizing with that. But there are a lot of cases of niche games of that genre, which kept seeing growing sales over months and years. Take Recettear for exemple. It was at like 200k 2 years ago and is now at 450k.

Well I don't see the point of comparing RPGs to a VN. It's like comparing Warcraft 3 and Witcher 3. Both made by Western developers (And has a 3 in the title) but from completely different genres.

DR is a great franchise, hope it manages better sales in the future.

 

[meltingparappa]

This is the first time I've seen anyone say anything good about UDG

UDG has a pretty great main reveal, and an legitimately incredible

Spoiler

bad ending

. Character banter is fantastic, jokes have never been better, scenarios never darker, and it's overall worth it for the supplemental material it gives the Future/Despair anime.

As for everything else, euuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhahhhghhghgh. It's been a long time since I forced myself to slog through something with gameplay that monotonous and clunky.

I appreciate they're going through all that effort to port that shitty engine to PC, to hopefully never use again.

 

[GhostTrick]

Well I don't see the point of comparing RPGs to a VN. It's like comparing Warcraft 3 and Witcher 3. Both made by Western developers (And has a 3 in the title) but from completely different genres.

DR is a great franchise, hope it manages better sales in the future.

I'm comparing niche games and niche games. Recettear is even nicher. My point is that you claimed that you don't see sales doubling when there's blatant exemples of that happening.

 

[Powwa]

I'm comparing niche games and niche games. Recettear is even nicher. My point is that you claimed that you don't see sales doubling when there's blatant exemples of that happening.

And I don't think that makes sense, simple as that. You can also find examples like Trails in the Sky SC that sold quite low even though it's considered a great game.

 

[Christhor]

God damn stop it finally. You dont know what you are talking about. these numbers are really good for such a niche game. Yes that is the truth. Also you cannot compare it to the Foresf at all.

You could have said the same thing about 50k sales, it's not mindblowing either way, even if it's good. I don't know what Foresf is.

 

[GhostTrick]

And I don't think that makes sense, simple as that. You can also find examples like Trails in the Sky SC that sold quite low even though it's considered a great game.

Now you're the one not making sense. You asked me about games who doubled their sales. Heck, Danganronpa and Danganronpa 2 both debuted at 20k.
As for Trails in the Sky SC, even though it started lower, it also shows a similar growth over time.

 

[Kresnik258]

and it's overall worth it for the supplemental material it gives the Future/Despair anime.

Huh? The story of UDG was pretty much wholly unrelated to DR3 and they spent an episode tying up everything to make sure there's no links left to the ongoing HPA storyline. Did we watch the same anime lol?

 

[Basileus777]

Huh? The story of UDG was pretty much wholly unrelated to DR3 and they spent an episode tying up everything to make sure there's no links left to the ongoing HPA storyline. Did we watch the same anime lol?

DR3 more seemed to mock UDG for being irrelevant than anything else.

 

[meltingparappa]

Huh? The story of UDG was pretty much wholly unrelated to DR3 and they spent an episode tying up everything to make sure there's no links left to the ongoing HPA storyline. Did we watch the same anime lol?

Maybe it's just me, but I really enjoyed the

Spoiler

Monoka

reveal, and then subsequently ending that plot thread in the most beautifully irreverent way.

Individual mileage varies greatly, but making it all the way through the game was worth it for the laugh

 

[Powwa]

Now you're the one not making sense. You asked me about games who doubled their sales. Heck, Danganronpa and Danganronpa 2 both debuted at 20k.
As for Trails in the Sky SC, even though it started lower, it also shows a similar growth over time.

Except I never said games doesn't double their sales on Steam. I said DR on Steam wouldn't be able to pass Vita LTD. It was specific for the game not the platform.

 

[dallow_bg]

You could have said the same thing about 50k sales, it's not mindblowing either way, even if it's good. I don't know what Foresf is.

50k would have been good.
150k is really great.

 

[GhostTrick]

Except I never said games doesn't double their sales on Steam. I said DR on Steam wouldn't be able to pass Vita LTD. It was specific for the game not the platform.

You said this:

I very much doubt a game this niche will manage to sell more than double of it's sales after several months. Vita version is also still selling, so I don't really see it.

And I proved you that there are several nicher games which manage to sell more than double of their actual sales after several months. Also, I rest my case: It'll surpass Vita LTD. There hasn't been a major discount and yet in only 7 months, it's already selling faster than what the Vita version did in west. A generous estimate would be 450k of sales on Vita WW. 150k in Japan and let's say 300k in West. I'm willing to bet it'll sell more than this.

 

[Vampire On Titus]

The same reason people call Ace Attorney and ZE visual novels i guess. Its just easier lol

Always considered the PW games adventure games. It's literally got 1st person myst style exploration and the game-play is almost all inventory puzzles. The Miles Edgeworth spinoff is definitely an adventure game and the only difference is that you explore in 3rd person.

 

[Kresnik258]

A generous estimate would be 450k of sales on Vita WW. 150k in Japan and let's say 300k in West. I'm willing to bet it'll sell more than this.

I can do you one better!

DanganRonpa 1-2 Reload - 160,100

Physical-only sales of DR 1-2 Reload on Vita in Japan by the end of 2015. Plus whatever it sold digitally, which we have no idea.

(I know it doesn't make a massive difference to your point here, just wanted to throw that in)

 

[GhostTrick]

I can do you one better!

DanganRonpa 1-2 Reload - 160,100

Physical-only sales of DR 1-2 Reload on Vita in Japan by the end of 2015. Plus whatever it sold digitally, which we have no idea.

(I know it doesn't make a massive difference to your point here, just wanted to throw that in)

You're right, let's up that to 500k. My point still stands though

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

DR3 more seemed to mock UDG for being irrelevant than anything else.

The UDG episode was one if the better DR3 episodes tho!!!

 

[AniHawk]

i wonder if they'll ever bring the first two to ps4.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

i wonder if they'll ever bring the first two to ps4.

Since V3 is supposedly a soft reboot (not sure how much I trust Kodaka to let go of his precious plot threads) that might not be necessary.

If the goal of V3 is to push the series to a wider audience and drop the old plotlines and move to a new platform then I think they'd want V3 to stand alone.

 

[Permanently A]

V3 not getting a simultaneous global release is true despair.

 

[Powwa]

You said this:




And I proved you that there are several nicher games which manage to sell more than double of their actual sales after several months. Also, I rest my case: It'll surpass Vita LTD. There hasn't been a major discount and yet in only 7 months, it's already selling faster than what the Vita version did in west. A generous estimate would be 450k of sales on Vita WW. 150k in Japan and let's say 300k in West. I'm willing to bet it'll sell more than this.

Well It's questionable which one is more niche by western standarts. VNs are becoming a bit popular these days with games like Steins;Gate and DR but they are still very niche(with the exception of PW but they localize it accordingly for the west) And the example you gave was a cheaper game as well, which also worth noting when you make a comparison. But anyways, you can quote me in a few years if/when it surpass Vita LTD if I'm around, haha.

 

[Torokil]

150k is not bad for an old game like DR 1+2 thats 30 bucks a pop. The games are only 33% off on the rare occasions that they do go on sale. I would expect the profitability margins to be sky high for these ports.

Speaking of Japanese games on steam, I am bewildered at how well Neptunia has done on there.

 

[Already Torn]

I really hope this series eventually gets on Ace Attorney levels in the West at least. I feel like the art style and general anime-ness is a big turn off for a lot of people (was for me at first), but it really is one of my favorite series of all time. It manages to be pretty emontionally affecting despite how inherently ridiculous it all is, even small stuff like School/Island Mode. None of my friends bought it on Steam no matter how hard I tried to convince them.

 

[ArtHands]

You need to calm down, bro.

Nobody owns a Vita compared to how many people have steam accounts and use them. Visual novels is a PC genre too, so you can't use that as an argument. Not that Danganronpa is actually a straight up visual novel.

Danganronpa is nothing special among all the countless games released everyday on Steam.

 

[Durante]

Is that actually good (serious question)?... 150k across both games, worldwide?

These are late ports of niche VN / adventure hybrid games. 150k before deep discounts is fantastic and assuredly very profitable.

Downplaying this success is quite silly really. It would be successful at half the sales.

Hope this means more Danganronpa games on PC

Of course it will.

 

[Battlechili]

Spike Chunsoft seemed happy with the sales back when it was just 30k for DR1, so this is great to hear.

 

[AniHawk]

I really hope this series eventually gets on Ace Attorney levels in the West at least. I feel like the art style and general anime-ness is a big turn off for a lot of people (was for me at first), but it really is one of my favorite series of all time. It manages to be pretty emontionally affecting despite how inherently ridiculous it all is, even small stuff like School/Island Mode. None of my friends bought it on Steam no matter how hard I tried to convince them.

ace attorney was a constant 80k-100k in the us. danganronpa is already there. it's probably beyond that at this point considering that ace attorney is digital-only now.

 

[Basileus777]

ace attorney was a constant 80k-100k in the us. danganronpa is already there. it's probably beyond that at this point considering that ace attorney is digital-only now.

Ace Attorney's premise is more sustainable for creating a lasting franchise though, Danganronpa has already shit the bed with its extended universe.

 

[Mendrox]

Ace Attorney's premise is more sustainable for creating a lasting franchise though, Danganronpa has already shit the bed with its extended universe.

Because the new anime was not that good? UDG was medicore but not bad.

Phoenix Wright though? 2,4 games are are so bad. Anime? I dropped it finally at episode 18. Layton vs Phoenix Wright also shit the bed at the ending.

Both series have their good games, but Danganronpa feels like it's getting bigger than AA

 

[kamakazi5]

Just picked up both for $36 during the last sale. Can't wait to play.

 

[katkombat]

These are two perfect games imo

 

[Gurnlei]

I never heard of the games until PC release, but was always interested in games revolving around investigations and piecing together a crime so decided to get preorder part 1 after reading a bit of nice reviews. Was one of my favorite games of the year, and I enjoyed DR2 even more. Went back and watched the anime even though it's practically the game and subbed up to Funimation for the DR3 simulcasts (

Spoiler

that ending though. Just came up on Funimation today

).

I've preordered ZTD just based on Spike Chunsoft alone, but waiting for the first two to hit Steam before playing. Now I'm hoping for a simultaneous release of DRV3 for PS4/PC in the West. Spike Chunsoft made a new fan bringing their games to a new audience.

 

[Ludger Kresnik]

Because the new anime was not that good? UDG was medicore but not bad.

Phoenix Wright though? 2,4 games are are so bad. Anime? I dropped it finally at episode 18. Layton vs Phoenix Wright also shit the bed at the ending.

Both series have their good games, but Danganronpa feels like it's getting bigger than AA

The AA anime was just an adaptation, though. DR3 was a straight up sequel and a new addition to the canon, and it was horrible. The HPA story arc clearly should never have gone beyond SDR2 if that's the best they could come up with. I can't see how anyone could defend DR3 from a writing perspective, it's that busted.

 

[rochellepaws]

Sensational games and my favourite new series over the past few years. For anyone who enjoyed Phoenix Wright or the Zero escape series, you should definitely check it out.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Zero Time Dilemma is really weak compared to them even individually... I wonder what 999 will do.

 

[Atolm]

Man I'd like to say I'm happy for Spike-chunsoft but both ZTD and the Danganronpa 3 anime soured me on them. What a pile of thrash the anime is, almost managed to retroactively ruin the games for me.

And I liked UDG...

 

[Tenck]

I pretty much buy every VN I can to support Japanese developers. Unfortunately I haven't played them very much, but I'm working my way to them. Wont stop me from buying more though, in hopes of letting developers know their support on PC is appreciated.

 

[GhostTrick]

Zero Time Dilemma is really weak compared to them even individually... I wonder what 999 will do.

Well to be fair, Zero Time Dilemma is more expensive, and has been release like 3 months ago ? As of now, before any single discount, it sold like 20k at full price. So yes, it's definitely on a way to improve imo.