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Dark Knight clears 400 million, C'mon Gaf lets take Titanics spot!
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AndresON777
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Zeliard said:
Bullshit, I would've waited for the dvd/bluray if he was still alive. First thing I thought about when they announced he had died was 'Did he finish the movie?'.
I hate how Nolan also said he didnt expect the movie to have done so well, Ledgers death has had a lot to do with it.
EDIT- btw no batman movie will ever surpass this one
HomerSimpson-Man
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ChrisGoldstein said:
Yeah, TDK hit the high mark. Even adjusted it has just surpassed Superman, and it's going to overtake Back to the Future's haul soon, and eventually it will completely overtake Batman '89 as the complete most grossing Batman and superhero flick of all time raw or adjusted.
HomerSimpson-Man
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jett said:
Reporter: Hey, Mr. Nolan. How much do you think The Dark Knight is going to make at the box office?
Nolan: Why five-hundred million dollars, of course!
Reporter: .... the fuck?
Outcast2004
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Wonder if Nolan had a deal that gave him a percentage of the gross?
If so.... the man should never have to work again....
If so.... the man should never have to work again....
HomerSimpson-Man
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Outcast2004 said:
I wonder what the highest pay for an actor ever was?
Keanu Reeves received an additional 15% of the grosses from the Matrix sequels after his upfront, and they made like a billion dollars worldwide, so he got paid like nearly $200 million when it was all said and done. Bruce Willis had the highest beforehand from The Sixth Sense with $100 million.
That's sick!
http://boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=alltimegrossvs.htm
Can anyone tell me after looking at this daily comparison of the Dark Knight to Titanic why TDK can't beat Titanic domestically?
TDK right now has almost 100 million more dollars than Titanic had at this same point and on daily tracking it has beat titanic pretty much every single day so far. I mean even assuming that from this day out TDK ONLY takes in the same amount as Shrek 2 did and leaves theaters the same exact day, TDK would still finish its BO run with at least 520 million. Now assume it follows the other compared movie, The Phantom Menace, a more realistic (yet still most likely an underestimate of its future daily revenue considering TDK is beating it every comparable day so far) TDK would pull in at least 570 million dollars. So I really don't think it is out of the question to see it at least come close.
Another argument is that TDKs release is very favorable to an extended run since with Shrek 2, The Phantom Menace, and Spiderman, they were released in May where they had to fight off countless other blockbusters whereas with TDK there is no real big blockbuster competition till , especially competition in the same genre or category as the TDK. I mean Pineapple Express and Tropic Thunder will probably beat TDK their opening weekends but its still not the threat those other films had to face.
Of course if you were to adjust for inflation, well than yea, TDK doesn't look like it will have much of a chance unless it gets even mainstream moviegoers to make several repeat visits.
Can anyone tell me after looking at this daily comparison of the Dark Knight to Titanic why TDK can't beat Titanic domestically?
TDK right now has almost 100 million more dollars than Titanic had at this same point and on daily tracking it has beat titanic pretty much every single day so far. I mean even assuming that from this day out TDK ONLY takes in the same amount as Shrek 2 did and leaves theaters the same exact day, TDK would still finish its BO run with at least 520 million. Now assume it follows the other compared movie, The Phantom Menace, a more realistic (yet still most likely an underestimate of its future daily revenue considering TDK is beating it every comparable day so far) TDK would pull in at least 570 million dollars. So I really don't think it is out of the question to see it at least come close.
Another argument is that TDKs release is very favorable to an extended run since with Shrek 2, The Phantom Menace, and Spiderman, they were released in May where they had to fight off countless other blockbusters whereas with TDK there is no real big blockbuster competition till , especially competition in the same genre or category as the TDK. I mean Pineapple Express and Tropic Thunder will probably beat TDK their opening weekends but its still not the threat those other films had to face.
Of course if you were to adjust for inflation, well than yea, TDK doesn't look like it will have much of a chance unless it gets even mainstream moviegoers to make several repeat visits.
AlphaSnake
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$445M after this weekend. $475M the following weekend. The rest is just gravy, it'll be #2 after the next two weekends.
I would be very surprised if it made 600 million. Look at the % change, TDK is dropping where as titanic actually goes UP in some occasions. The % drop is also exponential for movies, hence the longer a movie is out the faster the drop occurs. Titanic was able to minimize the % drop thus lasting 24 weeks.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Jonm1010 said:
Whilst TDK has higher opening weeks than Titanic, Titanic's legs are what are hard to reproduce. TDK is now dropping fast where as for week after week (in it's 16 or so weeks at the top of the BO) Titanic took in more than $20million each week over an extended period of time.
I already saw it 4 times in the normal theater, I don't think I have it in me anymore to watch it again. I already started to lip-sync to the lines and everything. :lol
Only option left is Imax, that could squeeze one more viewing out of me but after that I am kaput.
Only option left is Imax, that could squeeze one more viewing out of me but after that I am kaput.
Pakkidis said:
But why? Go look at the daily breakdown, TDK is averaging way more than Shrek and The Phantom Menace did, why do you think it can't get more money than what those two got from this point till its final day in theaters? If it just gets what the Phantom menace got at this point in its run till its end, then TDK will only be behind 600million by less than 30 million. Im not saying its a guarantee or a safe bet but its not out of the realm of possibilities here.
I really think you all need to go do some Boxoffice mojo side by side comparisons, it most DEFINITELY will be the number two domestic box office not taking in to account inflation. It is only fifty million off right now and as i said from this point forward Shrek 2 and the phantom menace both took in at least 100 million more and if the trend continues TDK should beat those twos numbers.Solo said:
Scullibundo said:
I don't like the "dropping fast" argument; it seems to me that it started higher, so you should expect much higher drops percentage-wise. In terms of real numbers, it is averaging nearly $5.7 million / day Monday through Wednesday this week. Titanic was averaging just over $6 million on weekdays (Monday through Thursday) in its first week.
And not only that, but looking at weekly numbers, Titanic did $52 million in the first week, $71 million in the second week, and $45 million in the third week; The Dark Knight did $238 million, $112 million, and while the third week hasn't quite finished, it is currently at $59 million through the third week (which compares favorably to the legs Spider-Man had, which pulled in $57 million in its third week), without including whatever it makes today.
If it continually drops, yes, you might be right, but it's also possible that it has a floor of "support" where it will earn $15 - 20 million on weekends and a good $15 million on weekdays.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Mumei said:
I don't think you quite get it. The drops are important, regardless of the initial gross. Because when it drops to a certain amount it's going to start being pulled from theatres. Titanic' continual $20mil+ gross each week ensured it stayed in theatres to continue the trend.
In the first 3-4 days it pulled in 150 million plus, that is more than a quarter of its total right now. It took an additional 2 weeks to make the remaining 3/4ths of its total. Considering the % drop is exponential it will have to be in theaters for a very long time in order to gross over 200 million.
Scullibundo said:
True enough but still look at the daily comparisons, TDK is averaging 2 to 3 million more a day this week than shrek 2 and 1 to 2 million a day more than The Phantom Menace. For example TDK on MON, TUES, and WED made 6.2, 5.6 and 5.0 million while Shrek 2 Averaged 3.5, 3.7, and 3.9. considering thats more money than shrek 2 and Shrek 2 stayed in theaters a little over 14 weeks and amassed between its 4th and last weeks another 110 million dollars its pretty much guaranteed TDK will stay longer than that . I say that because consider that the phantom menace( which TDK is also beating everyday)ran for 24 weeks before it ended, so i'd say its a safe bet its in theaters at least 14 weeks. Throw in the fact that TDK has less big movies to fight off for theater space and its pretty much guaranteed the movie stays in theaters for over 14 weeks. So you have to admit TDK would have to really drop to not make at least 110 million dollars like shrek 2 did before it wraps its run up. Heck it should be a suprise if it doesn't at least amass as much between its 4th and last weeks as the phantom menace did which was 164 million.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Jonm1010 said:
Before TDK was released, when they had announced the pre-sale bookings I had said it has the potential to dethrone RotK. I still believe that it has the potential to do so. But it simply doesn't have a shot at touching Titanic.
ryutaro's mama
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Jonm1010 said:
All of your numbers don't equal 191 million more dollars before it's pulled.
HolyStar said:
Hey now, the sinking part was awesome. As a kid, I watched all sorts of Titanic flicks and it did that the best (of course all the rest were 1950s-1960s flicks).
Too bad there's a shitty love story that takes up 2/3 the film. And too bad that's the reason for its success and not the portrayal of the sinking of the Titanic.
davepoobond
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HolyStar said:
:lol
Scullibundo said:
Explain to me what you dont understand about my math? I'm not even a Dark Knight homer and it wouldn't really bother me if it doesn't beat it, but to say it doesn't have a shot is silly. Unless some HUGE drop happens it is almost GUARANTEED based on percentage statistics and daily revenue that the TDK should amass more than The Phantom Menace did between its 4th and last weeks which is 164 million dollars. Add 164 million dollars to TDKs current 410 million puts TDK at 574 million dollars. Which is just 27 million dollars off from beating Titanic. Now you take into account that TDK is beating The Phantom Menace and is poised to finish its week 4 onward better than it, you have to say its in the realm of possibilities.
NOTE: I am not saying it will win the Worldwide Gross, Im not saying it will be the highest domestic gross taking into account inflation, I'm purely talking about domestic non-adjusted gross.
ryutaro's mama
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Jonm1010 said:
See my previous response to you.
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Oh it is...GhaleonEB said:
Super chick flick for the ladies. Hunky leading actor. Woman in distress by an oppressive suitor and finds true love. Woman power to the max.
Intense action sequences with the ship breaking apart and the water rising through the ship.
Boobs.
Victory.
Edit: And before Ghaleon tells me I'm wrong, I like this movie! So I know how it works! I KNOW HOW THE VOODOO WORKS!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Titanic was a great film. The second half is what cements it as an all-time great. The direction of the sinking is fucking incredible - EPIC SHIT.
I'll tell you why it was so successful - because it was the first true epic since the late fifties/early sixties.
I'll tell you why it was so successful - because it was the first true epic since the late fifties/early sixties.
ryutaro's mama said:
I am aware of that, what i have been saying with my numbers is that TDK should at the very least make 164 million more before its end. Now to go a step further TDK will need to make, assuming it stays in theaters 18 weeks (a conservative estimate) it will need to beat The Phantom Menaces 4th week onward gross total by 27 million dollars and right now, on daily tracking, TDK is beating The Phantom Menace by 25 to 31%. So its not out of the realm of possibilities to amass 191 million from here on out. If it stays in theaters as long as The Phantom Menace(24 weeks) it will need to have a 14% total lead when its finished to get that 191 million dollar goal. And seeing that right now its beating it by 25 to 30% it seems plausible.
Again i'm not guaranteeing this, im just trying to point out to people that its not crazy to think it has a chance of beating it.
PhoenixDark
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I'm proud that I'm one of the few people who has never seen Titanic
GhaleonEB said:
Then explain why you think it's successful outside of "I'll never let go, Jack."
When I was 11-12 (when the movie was first being previewed and released), I had already seen A Night to Remember and Titanic '53 several times and had read books about Bob Ballard's expedition over and over. I understand why he chose two fictional characters, so we could see the story through their eyes (the class differences, the actual sinking on different levels of the ship, as well as their meeting with some of the people who became popular for different reasons after its sinking like Molly Brown and Mr. Andrews). But then they're running from this guy with a gun and it's become way too melodramatic.
But like I said, it was great to see the sinking part done right, with all the new knowledge that had come their way (I think even Ghostbusters 2 had the Titanic in one piece with a gaping hole in its side).
SCULLIBUNDO
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PhoenixDark said:
Ignorance is bliss? It must be nice to try and continue the 'I don't like that incredibly popular pop-culture event' trend nearly 12 years later. You find the majority of all people who are asked about Titanic say/said that, yet everybody went to go see it two or three times.
MisterHero
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While I don't think TDK is the best picture ever (and I personally like the Burton Batmans much more as Batman movies), TDK has earned its money.
That said, I also think Titanic should keep its spot. While there are lots of movies I like better, I don't think the industry should bestow such a title to a film where the story is so diluted from the source material.
I love comics and I love TDK, but Titanic was made for movies. Even if some of you didn't like it.
Regardless of what happens, and while my opinion doesn't matter much, these are just my thoughts on the matter.
That said, I also think Titanic should keep its spot. While there are lots of movies I like better, I don't think the industry should bestow such a title to a film where the story is so diluted from the source material.
I love comics and I love TDK, but Titanic was made for movies. Even if some of you didn't like it.
Regardless of what happens, and while my opinion doesn't matter much, these are just my thoughts on the matter.
ryutaro's mama
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Jonm1010 said:
Think about this, everyday someone sees it, doesn't guarantee a repeat viewing.
Also, TDK will be pulled from certain theaters as other movies release, thereby affecting it's numbers dramatically.
Lastly, school is back come late Aug.-early Sept. The weekly grosses will take a hit due to that.
TPM was released in May and was the first SW in over 25 years. Had the whole summer to make it's money. Different circumstances.
Can TDK make the magical $601 million? It's possible, but highly unlikely.
AniHawk said:
Titanic is much more than the sum of it's parts. In general, the payoffs are better than the set ups. ("That's why I trust it.") Some entire scenes clunk, with very awkward dialog. Not all plot threads were perfect. But it was the perfect distillation of the themes Cameron had explored in every movie he'd made so far - juxtaposing grand-scale man made disaster against a love story.
It's easy to look back on stuff now and see over-saturated cliché, but some of the most potent scenes in the movie come BEFORE the sinking. I saw the film 17 times in the theater - yes. Toward the end I was really interested in audience reaction to stuff I knew well.
Like the way the exploration of the wreak in the beginning, and the haunting use of audio - piano notes, voices - absolutely mesmerized the audience. The scenes that were played for laughs - hawking loogies over the side of the deck - played perfectly. The "boring" parts of formal dinners and dancing were cut smartly, moved quickly and had both a poet's eye for framing and lighting, with snarky humor that people picked up on.
And the romance, while drawn in broad strokes, had a poignancy to it that resonated. The now cliché "flying scene" remains one the most beautiful romantic scenes filmed, IMO. But beyond the big, romantic sweep and score, it ends on a truly haunting, dark note: the lovers fading away into the modern day wreckage. The scarf is left swaying like a ghost on the tv for a moment. It's one of my favorite images in all of film, and an absolutely jarring transition - the juxtaposition of grand romance and tragedy, both executed intelligently and filmed beautifully. Tons of movies do this. Very, very few pull it off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaC1kE-bzfY
Yeah, it's some cliché to parody now. In the theater it was stunning.
(Edit: And this scene. Gawd I get all teary watching this.)
And the action scenes at the end all pack a very powerful emotional punch. In every single time the "Nearer My God to Thee" sequence played, I heard sobbing all through the audience. In most action movies the masses getting killed is played for spectacle. Here it was gut-wrenching. The visit back through the frozen corpses was likewise silent, aside from people weeping.
There are a LOT of little things in the movie that I think people connected with on a subconscious level. Cameron used a core extras group of about 50 in prominent shots throughout the film, and placed them throughout the sinking so that in each sequence, familiar faces were dying. He did things with lighting that worked in parallel with the emotional development of scenes.
To me, one of the most powerful, unnoticed things in the film is the use of repeated shots in different contexts to tie the emotional thread of the film together. There are four shots of the glass dome over the grand staircase in the film. The first two establish the final two, and it's not a coincidence that it is the focus of the last shot of the film. Those four shots are the thesis behind the movie. I don't think 99.9999% of people pick up on it consciously, but it works on the emotional level.
It's hard to explain to someone who does not get something why it works. The movie clicks for some people, not for others. I remember three things from around the time it released. The first was sitting all the way through the credits, and then turning around to see half the audience - mostly older people - had done the same. Everyone had a mix of thoughtfulness, satisfaction and sadness to them. I've only seen that with one other movie.
Another was from my brother, who thought it was just okay the first two times he saw it (once with me, once with friends who dragged him off to see it). Then, a couple months later, he calls me and says, "I get it now." He was hauled off to see it a third time and all the emotional cues in the movie clicked. He came away devastated. As Bill Paxton said at the end, he let it in. (har har)
The other was William Goldman's piece in Rolling Stone magazine explaining why he voted for it to be Best Picture for the Oscars that year. He ripped the dialog to shreds, and then talked about how incredibly daring the structure of the film was. Starting in modern day, having a old woman tell the story. The transitions, the poetic filming, the sincere love story, not played for any kind of irony. The balance between spectacle and tragedy. He called it "the mother of the good experience" in movies.
Anyhoo. This was way too long, but you asked so I thought I'd give it a shot. For some it was a boring first half, and an action movie in the second half. Or a hawt guy movie. Or a boring, long movie with terrible dialog. For those it clicked with, it was really, really powerful. It's my favorite movie of all time, and deserved every penny it made.
MisterHero
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To me, Begins/TDK Batman is a billionaire-basejumping-spelunking-cyborg-ninja-man. The Burton Batman is a monster of the dark stricken by childhood trauma. No extra explanation needed.AniHawk said:
The world from Begins/TDK can't host the comics Batman without looking ridiculous or requiring some long-winded explanation.
Batman 89 and Returns inspired the Animated Series, so obviously there weren't too far off the mark.
Of course there's a line that can be crossed into farcical incredulity (see Batman Forever/Batman & Robin), and some of the comics were goofy, a lot of it is good material to work from. The movies also had some significant changes (including who killed Bruce's parents), but they were a world that Batman material could thrive in (Dick Grayson was going to appear in Batman 89).
Prove me wrong Nolan!
Scullibundo said:
Well, I admit that I'm not an expert or anything; I just think that it is a bit premature to be talking about TDK's demise when it is going to pull in about ~63 million this week. Spider-Man pulled in $57 million, Spider-Man 3 pulled $36 million, and Dead Man's Chest pulled $51 million.
When it pulls in nearly $12 million more than what DMC was doing, at a time when it has (assuming ~$4 million for Thursday, which seems reasonably conservative) a $125 million lead on where DMC was at this time in its release, I think it is reasonably fair to expect it to manage $40+ million for the next 2 - 3 weeks, and then see where it goes from there.
Oh, and a clarification: I don't expect it to pass Titanic or anything; I just won't be surprised by $550 million-ish range.
The Librarian
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This thread reminds me I need to go out and buy Titanic on dvd.:lol
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I prided myself for never having seen it. Then, I turned 12 and decided to check it out. It was actually really good. I was a total hater, yet it won me over...PhoenixDark said:
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