I'll take a lower FPS on occasion over screen tear, every day on any platform.
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Dark Souls II' Was 'Unplayable And Broken' On Consoles Before Graphics Downgrade
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I'll take a lower FPS on occasion over screen tear, every day on any platform.
It does dip every once in a while, but it's very playable. I'm in the same boat as you too. I can take occasional dips into a lower framerate. Screen tearing drives me nuts.
I agree. It's ridiculous that you blame the creators of the game for not having the patience to wait for the version you want. Blaming a company for personal problems is not really logical.
See You Next Wednesday
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Yeah, like when Bioshock Infinite & Last of Us got that massive level design & A.I. downgrades, practically no one gave a shit.
Lighting downgrade changes in Dark Souls 2 & the forum goes bonkers.
We're still not actually sure it was a tech demo made only to sell the game. It's entirely possible that could be what the lead PC build looks like. It's also possible the small slice of the game they showed using the old lighting actually did run fine on PS3 for the TGS demo, but every other part of the game ran like shit with the old lighting.
If the Forbes article is to be believed, FROM didn't build a wholly separate tech demo to only be used for promotion.
The last of us downgrade only happened from the e3 and early builds. All games are dwongraded from their early reveal vertical slice demo, this is expected, dark souls 2 was showing a superior build 6 weeks before release. Stop talking shit.
I've seen many complaining about TLoU's AI, there was even a fairly big thread about it(lots of apologists there, not unlike here): http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=758774
Gozer the Gozerian
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I dont know why everyones offended by the lighting the lack of YOU DEFEATED is way more offensive
civilstrife
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As long as the PC version is up to snuff, I'm happy.
Haunted
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just mod in whatever you like
I'm partial to the THANKS OBAMA and YOU TRIED variants.
See You Next Wednesday
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You're right, the lighting in this game is awful.
That's real time btw, not baked.
The fact of the matter is the lighting engine was upgraded noticeably over Dark Souls 1.
The saturation, placement & gamma of the lighting was changed significantly over the reveal (along with the level design).
The core fundamental of the lighting engine is still in the game.
Classic Horror atmosphere vs. Modern cgi jump thrills say hi. Also ps1 resident evil and silent hill atmosphere vs. Modern atmosphere in those games. Atmosphere is sometime s enhanced or focused on more as a result of working within restrictions.
CadetMahoney
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See You Next Wednesday
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That thread was made in response to no one giving a fuck.
It was made after the game won all those GOTY awards etc...
There is a very skewed opinion that graphics matter more than gameplay going by some of the outrage.
Winterfang
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Why? I'm pretty sure bigger, best looking games didn't had that problem. Why not spend a little more in the sequel in order to have it be more than a cult hit?
I wouldn't have.
It might be in the future. If you mean why it was released on PS3/360, it's because the install base is much larger.
Robot Pants
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It should have been from the start but whatever. I hope it comes to ps4..... Maybe. I'm currently of the opinion that I don't really like the game very much.
See You Next Wednesday
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Wasn't Demon Souls over a million & Dark Souls over 3 million sold?
Not a cult following by any means.
The hyperbole against the games tech & graphics is astounding.
Being playing last night & some of the areas kick the living shit of most, if not all, comparable 3rd person sword & sorcery games.
There is some jaw droopingly good locales in this game.
because they can make more money by putting it out first on the consoles that have the bigger install base, then delaying and refusing to talk about the PC version so people get antsy and double dip when they might otherwise not, then putting out a "surprise" next-gen version
Let's just be painfully blunt.
If you're going to demo/showcase a game - meaning not behind closed doors, pre-alpha/beta/gamma unfinished version etc - then no, your graphics will not be expected to plummet. This is not an unreasonable expectation and a standard many, many, many people are held to in their jobs.
If it's a very early version, fine. Nothing's really set in stone.
If it's a small downgrade, fine. Some things are expected to change.
If you're going to demo/showcase a game - meaning not behind closed doors, pre-alpha/beta/gamma unfinished version etc - then no, your graphics will not be expected to plummet. This is not an unreasonable expectation and a standard many, many, many people are held to in their jobs.
If it's a very early version, fine. Nothing's really set in stone.
If it's a small downgrade, fine. Some things are expected to change.
copelandmaster
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If by 'just fine' you mean ' certainly playable, but still really shitty' then, yeah the game runs just fine.
Alebrije
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Install base , but it was the best they focused on Ps3 360 , ps4 Xbone game with those programing skills could have ended on a framerate / graphics nightmare.
Fried Food
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so you wouldn't have played it at all? If they delayed what would have been the alternative?
MoonsaultSlayer
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I'm sure it's been said but the lighting isn't the issue, the false advertising is.
And the TLOU claims are absurd. Messing with the AI myself was just as satisfying as what I watched pre-release.
And the TLOU claims are absurd. Messing with the AI myself was just as satisfying as what I watched pre-release.
You're right, the lighting in this game is awful.
That's real time btw, not baked.
What the fuck is that?! Did you take a picture of your screen with an polaroid camera and then take a picture of the polaroid with a shitty cell phone or something?
MoonsaultSlayer
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And then uploaded to instagram before sharing it from his ps4...
I havent said much on the subject, and I know this is easy to say now after the fact, but Ill still say it because its what I felt at the time.
I always thought the initial footage looked too good for current...err... last-gen. Like the first time with the bridge and all the dragons flying around for example, I thought it was ps4/xbone footage, and was surprised when I found out the game was last gen only.
I always thought the initial footage looked too good for current...err... last-gen. Like the first time with the bridge and all the dragons flying around for example, I thought it was ps4/xbone footage, and was surprised when I found out the game was last gen only.
Psycho_Mantis
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Your telling me when DS2 was too much for the PS3 and 360 when we have games like Red Dead Redemption. Lol don't make me laugh. Either FROM's inexperienced and could not make it run on the machines or they were constrained by time.
The bit you mentioned still looks really good in-game. Maybe not as amazing but playing it feels good. Regardless of what the PC version does, having that at silky 60fps with higher resolution textures etc will make it even more impressive.
Either From were rushes for time or something else but you can tell they clearly had to rush and change some areas. It still looks great in places and rushed/poor in others. Simple things like textures and other weirdness just show a lack of attention to detail for the whole game but it still looks great.
blitzcloud
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vintage!
Naughty Dog knows plenty about making fun games, and visually attractive aswell. Your achievement of fun seems to be remembering enemy spawns and patterns. Also getting killed easily by traps that work one time only.
It's okay I like that too. No need to diss on ND.
Necromanti
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I feel like they picked a poor time to start developing an engine that (supposedly) has more utility for next-gen (which is now current-gen), yet choosing to work backwards from that and target it towards the PS3/360 without optimizing for their strengths. (Or at least, not being able to do so in the same way.)
It would have been better, then, to delay the console release and move it up for the next consoles (which might have had consequences for sales), or create a new engine for the following game instead. Comparing Dark Souls II to a single-console AAA exclusive title makes for a fairly far-fetched argument, though.
It would have been better, then, to delay the console release and move it up for the next consoles (which might have had consequences for sales), or create a new engine for the following game instead. Comparing Dark Souls II to a single-console AAA exclusive title makes for a fairly far-fetched argument, though.
Your telling me when DS2 was too much for the PS3 and 360 when we have games like Red Dead Redemption. Lol don't make me laugh. Either FROM's inexperienced and could not make it run on the machines or they were constrained by time.
RDR also probably cost 100 million USD to make whereas Fromsoft probably had +/- a tenth of that to make Dark Souls 2.
Baraka in the White House
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You can only misrepresent someone's argument so many times before it starts to sound like deliberate trolling.
"Graphics whores" was never the problem with Dark Souls 2.
Baraka in the White House
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That they were attempting to make a cross-gen game that supposedly was going to improve dramatically in the visual department and be PC-focused has always struck me as a lofty goal. The gulf between what most PCs are capable of and the ancient-assed Gen 7 hardware is just massive.
Said everybody about every ps3, 360 game released in the last year.
HDgaming42
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I'm with yah.
There a limit to the amount of trolling you can get away with. Clear's got to learn to make it less obvious. And thank-you mods for granting him/her the tag they've received--there's nothing worse than trying to enter into a honest discussion with someone who's being disingenuous. Without that tag I'd probably have taken the bait.
See You Next Wednesday
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That's a pic from the strategy guide of No Man's Wharf when you light up the entire cavern.
Don't have a capture card & there are no sites that take reliable screenshots anymore.
So yes, shitty cell phone pic.
CadetMahoney
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Reminds me of the PS3 Bayonetta defenders saying "it's playable", as in you press a button and something is gonna happen, then yea, it's "playable".
Aeriscloud
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Oh, I like you.
HDgaming42
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How did I miss this gem?! LOL.
Back on off-topic from earlier--refreshed my memory and GOWIII retail was better than the demo. Thought it was the other way around...
