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I don't even get mad at comics, really. One More Day? Eh, comics! Ultimates 3 where people are just brutally killed on panel and eaten for no reason? Welp, time to move on from the Marvel Ultimate line. New 52 resetting almost everything? Hey, maybe some good stories will come out of it.

But just reading your paragraph there made me angry all over again. All of it. I strongly dislike everybody involved with it, top to bottom. I blind bought the hardcover TPB and threw it straight in the garbage after reading it. It took me a while to even want to go back to DC. I think it was Damian that brought me back, if I'm remembering my timeline correctly.
 
and people criticize the 90s:

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Absoluetely deplorable

and the guy who greenlit it all is still at the top

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also responsible for this gem:
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and then people wonder why my blood boils every time someone brings up DC Comics
 
besada said:
Frankly, though, DC's problems have more to do with Didio and Johns than some artificial limit on universes. So long as the same people stay in charge, they're going to keep doing the same stupid shit.
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This is my fear.

When the Nu52 was announced, I actually liked the idea. I don't mind change.

Then I read every one of the #1s (interesting experiment) and a large proportion were dull, sensationalistically violent, or both.

I mean, they gave themselves a mostly blank slate, and what they came up with was Green Arrow shooting people through hands (in the first issue!), messy violent deaths, and generally snoozy storylines.

I know it was rushed, but the tone set was awful. Oh and Image-esque costumes for a lot of characters. Terrible.

It's probably commercial suicide, but I'd love to see DC abandon the shared universe idea altogether and have every book be its own world (even Justice League). But comics have subsisted for a very long time on the fraction of readers that tie the stuff together and buy crossover books and focus more on the continuity than the comics themselves.
 
I just realized how much I'd sort of fallen off with DC. I'd completely forgotten this was even going to be a thing.

Some of the new stuff could be interesting I guess. Gordon as Batman isn't too bad an idea and if this focuses on the detective aspects and whatnot, it could be good. How has Snyder's Batman been? I sort of stopped after Death of the Family and never really went back.

I also recall hearing some good things about that Multiversity series Morrison was doing.

Well, hopefully we get some good stories out of this. Sort of hope we could get some stellar Flash and Aquaman runs myself.

Actually, what have been some good DC books over the last year?
 
Just finished reading most of the Sneak Peaks. So put off by most of it. Looks like I won't be continuing with most of my DC books for long, which make up the majority of my remaining pull list as it is.

Some of these moves seem bizarre. Robo-bat looks boring. Depowered Superman, de-aged Deathstroke? Renegade Hal bopping around space in a trench coat? Black Canary as a band? I can't get behind any of it.
 
WanderingWind said:
I'm gonna have to disagree. Nothing in comics will ever top Identity Crisis for just plain black-hearted nastiness. The Aresenal thing is more on the evil Hal Jordan (pre-Parallax thing). Superheroes turn evil every other week. What went down in Identity Crisis was some special kind of misanthropy.

Marvel did some similar shit with Black Cat that was quickly forgotten about and ignored. I hope DC does the same and Sue and Ralph just show back up like nothing ever happened.
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Ultimatum was pretty fucking mean-spirited
 
Gambit 1138 said:
That's been gone for awhile. If anything Convergence sort of brought it back because that story still happened on whatever planet the "New Earth" characters ended up on

Although strangely Ralph and Sue haven't even been mentioned once since 52 ended and since new 52 began.
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I just want Tim back, honestly I think I fully prefer Earth One to New 52 Batman at this point.
 
BKatastrophe said:
Ultimatum was pretty fucking mean-spirited
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That's what always annoys me about Identity Crisis hatred. It's not even close to the worst comic-book of that decade, let alone of all time. It's actually pretty well-written, even if it does seem editorially mandated and Meltzer trying to last-gasp save the idea from being pure exploitation.

Ultimatum, on the flipside, is just nothing. No story. no heart, just a shameless 'fucking kill them all' piece. At least Identity Crisis tries not to be soulless gutter shit.
 
Gambit 1138 said:
Yea but he's not the same character that he was pre-flashpoint reboot
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Who isn't the same character from before Infinite Crisis, who isn't the same character from before Zero Hour and so on. The character you care about only existed between Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint, I'm sure other people loathe that character and wish he'd go back to how he was pre-Infinite Crisis.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Who isn't the same character from before Infinite Crisis, who isn't the same character from before Zero Hour and so on. The character you care about only existed between Infinite Crisis and Flashpoint, I'm sure other people loathe that character and wish he'd go back to how he was pre-Infinite Crisis.
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NO pre Flashpoint he was always Robin. In Post Flashpoint he never became robin. The character I care about began his career in the 90s. You should know what your talking about before you step up.
 
Gambit 1138 said:
NO pre Flashpoint he was always Robin. In Post Flashpoint he never became robin. The character I care about began his career in the 90s. You should know what your talking about before you step up.
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Okay, firstly, it's "you're.' Not "your." If you're going to slam someone down, spell correctly.

Secondly, him never being 'Robin' is what we call a retcon. He was when the New 52 started. Then they changed it. But either way, he was always 'Red Robin' so the point is moot. And given 'Red Robin' was the series he had prior to Flashpoint that got acclaim, maybe they just figured they'd start with what people actually liked.

Thirdly, DC has been doing periodic reboots since Crisis On Infinite Earths. So yeah, it is a tad old and irritating when people go 'THEY RUINED MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER.' Like those characters change every five to six years - the one you love was written differently after Infinite Crisis with a reworked backstory. And as Convergence has showed, they're all - in universe - different characters from different universes or alternate dimensions or whatever the fuck.
 
I just sat down and read Hush. That was pretty good. Not as good as the Long Halloween, but a good Batman book.
 
DeathyBoy said:
That's what always annoys me about Identity Crisis hatred. It's not even close to the worst comic-book of that decade, let alone of all time. It's actually pretty well-written, even if it does seem editorially mandated and Meltzer trying to last-gasp save the idea from being pure exploitation.

Ultimatum, on the flipside, is just nothing. No story. no heart, just a shameless 'fucking kill them all' piece. At least Identity Crisis tries not to be soulless gutter shit.
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I like Identity Crisis. The mystery was interesting (until the reveal, anyway) and some of the other stuff, like the mind-wiping, was also interesting. Even the horrible nature of Light's crime served a story purpose-- the push the heroes into an act that was past morally ambiguous to straight up wrong.

The real crime of it was the reveal and villain-izing Jean Loring to no real end.
 
BKatastrophe said:
See I never got into Golden Age stuff, so Alan Scott always throws me the fuck off whenever I'm like "Oh he was a Green Lantern, too." I know his powers are different and he only shares the name, but it still throws me off.
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More of a personalty thing Alan and Jay the elder statemen of Superheroes.

Plus you can kill Alan with a number 2 pencil
 
Slayven said:
More of a personalty thing Alan and Jay the elder statemen of Superheroes.

Plus you can kill Alan with a number 2 pencil
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Every time I have to remember that exists, and even by Golden Age standards, that's one of the dumbest weaknesses in existence. Did they ever explain why wood is his weakness?
 
Mudcrab said:
Very, very good.

You heard right.
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Might need to check out the rest of it then. Also heard that second volume of Batman Earth One was actually pretty good.

Will probably pick up that deluxe collection of it then. Really liked the concept of it all.
 
BKatastrophe said:
Every time I have to remember that exists, and even by Golden Age standards, that's one of the dumbest weaknesses in existence. Did they ever explain why wood is his weakness?
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Guardians are assholes. The Starheart is made up all the primordial magic left from the creation of the universe, they gathered it up, programed it to be weak against wood and chicked it into space. I am not kidding
 
Peak JSA Alan > Earth 2 Alan, but not by much.

Alan turned to shit after IC. Way too much patronizing and then they started the Starheart shenanigans. JSA turned from a team that was a family into 3 old dudes complaining.
 
BKatastrophe said:
Every time I have to remember that exists, and even by Golden Age standards, that's one of the dumbest weaknesses in existence. Did they ever explain why wood is his weakness?
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Hmm. Just guessing here cuz it's been a while since I brushed up on my DC stuff, but maybe because his powers are magic based?
 
ReiGun said:
Is there any reason Cap didn't just...turn back into Billy Batson? That would have cleared up the whole issue.
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I think wisdom of Solomon wouldn't let him, or he felt that he was finally being treated as an adult and didn't want that ruined. It's been awhile and I think I'm due for a reread. That was the tail end of John's run or the beginning of the run after that I think.
 
Schweinehund said:
Captain Marvels sad eyes crack me up.

By far one of my least favorite characters, that really just sank the ship:



Why did they feel the need to bring him over from Kingdom Come :|.
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I am still mad about Amazing Man who only used his power to be an angry black dude.

But Anna Fortune was gold
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ReiGun said:
Is there any reason Cap didn't just...turn back into Billy Batson? That would have cleared up the whole issue.
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Tension
 
DeathyBoy said:
Okay, firstly, it's "you're.' Not "your." If you're going to slam someone down, spell correctly.

Secondly, him never being 'Robin' is what we call a retcon. He was when the New 52 started. Then they changed it. But either way, he was always 'Red Robin' so the point is moot. And given 'Red Robin' was the series he had prior to Flashpoint that got acclaim, maybe they just figured they'd start with what people actually liked.

Thirdly, DC has been doing periodic reboots since Crisis On Infinite Earths. So yeah, it is a tad old and irritating when people go 'THEY RUINED MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER.' Like those characters change every five to six years - the one you love was written differently after Infinite Crisis with a reworked backstory. And as Convergence has showed, they're all - in universe - different characters from different universes or alternate dimensions or whatever the fuck.
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Tim was consistently the same character since early 90s up until Flashpoint/New 52 when they changed his character
 
DeathyBoy said:
And given 'Red Robin' was the series he had prior to Flashpoint that got acclaim, maybe they just figured they'd start with what people actually liked.
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Tim Drake had his own comic book that lasted 183 issues, dude. And several mini series. And he was a founding member of Young Justice, which lasted about 60 or 70, and was in the Teen Titans for a long time.

That was all before he became PreNu52 Red Robin.

I think it's safe to say that Tim Drake as non-red Robin was a pretty well liked.

You're not wrong about it being a good idea for him to keep the Red Robin name, it just would have been nice to respect his time as Robin. And I think his personality problems just come from him being stuck in a freakin' Teen Titans book. Boy oh boy, I thought I liked young team books when I was reading Young Justice! I was wrong. I just liked Young Justice. Modern Teen Titans books are so freakin' whiny and depressing and nobody does anything that makes sense. THAT'S why Tim Drake is suffering. If he had a home away from those whiny kids, I'm sure the character would improve.
 
Modern Teen Titans books are so freakin' whiny and depressing and nobody does anything that makes sense. THAT'S why Tim Drake is suffering. If he had a home away from those whiny kids, I'm sure the character would improve.
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I'm not going to disagree on quality, I'm just saying that Red Robin led into Flashpoint and was his latest series so they tried to leech off said modernity when they rebooted.

But yes, absolutely... Teen Titans doesn't work. Hasn't since they rebooted. Because it's written by people who don't know how to be teenagers or remember how teenagers act. It should be written by someone like Gillen, who knows music and frames teenagers properly in a subversive way. Teen Titans shouldn't feel like a poor version of what it was in the 80s, it should be fresh and dynamic and awesome.
 
Slayven said:
Guardians are assholes. The Starheart is made up all the primordial magic left from the creation of the universe, they gathered it up, programed it to be weak against wood and chicked it into space. I am not kidding
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Isn't it because wood is yellow and yellow used to be a common term for fear
 
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