It would force them to approach this differently. Now it's affecting a few users but once more games get taken down, people will really start to ask questions. They'll have to answer questions, they'll have to deal with the negative side effects of taking away products people have paid for.
Especially since the fact that Sony can actually delete the files and make them unavailable at any time is hidden behind a wall of text. What they want you to think is pointed out in a short sentence on their website.
Source: http://uk.playstation.com/psn/suppo...6637/item73619/Introducing-PlayStation-Store/
Oh Jesus...
We all know homebrew on these devices rarely give anything beneficial outside of emulators. Typically some time later another group will take this work and adapt it to run legal ripped copies of their games, and that is eventually used to pirate software.
This is a logical sequence of events.
The fact that this guy mockingly made it public was the *cause*. It harbors some of the blame. The *effect* is that Sont dicks around and does bullshit like this.
Both parties are wrong in how they do what they do. The homebrew kid didn't have to publicly challenge Sony, just because he wanted to prove he could beat the security (for publicity no less).
Sony, on the other hand, SHOULD remove the software, while simultaneously crediting every purchaser the full price of the title.
Again, both parties took the wrong action, and in the end the core user is effected more than anyone else.
Ah but Sony also has a 'lol you cant sue us or take lega action against us ' in their EULA now (I rmember that being a thing).
That was the arguement earlier as far as i understood it. That if a PC DD service go down, then piracy makes it possible to get a hold of the content. Or did i misunderstand something?
True, but the comparison is that once DD goes away for whatever reason on whatever system it might be, then it's gone (at least originally from the place you bought it). It isnt exactly common that console DD stuff gets removed for no reason and then never re-appear either.I'm not sure an entire DD service going down is directly comparable to paid for services (as I guess we call games now?) being removed without refund or notification to those affected because the service provider is worried that they might somehow lead to something else being run.
Chargebacks aren't billing errors.
yep, there was no billing error *does jedi hand wave*Billing errors? No. Chargeback? Yes. They are not the same.
That's what I think it's referring to as well but It's not really clear either way.I wonder if they meant it can be gameshared 5 times? Well, before they changed it to 2.
Just call customer service, you'll probably get a credit to your account.
It isnt exactly common that console DD stuff gets removed for no reason and then never re-appear either.
lol okay maybe my response was pretty cold, but i was definitely reacting more to the use of EMBEZZLEMENT in the thread title than anything else. this is not like you purchased the game from retail (ostensibly owning the physical product) and then sony came to your house and stole the game back. they extended an offer to PSP buyers with digitally distributed goods which i think everyone on this forum would understand is NOT a form of ownership. due to illegal practices arising from digital "ownership" of said games, sony has removed them.
yep, there was no billing error *does jedi hand wave*
This. Anything else is theft.Sony, on the other hand, SHOULD remove the software, while simultaneously crediting every purchaser the full price of the title.
yep, there was no billing error *does jedi hand wave*
It can happen several of times indeed, but there are no words that these games will be removed forever. I.e, Mercury Meltdown was also used for exploit, then it was removed from the PS Store. Now it is up for download/sale again (it happened quite some time ago, but the game did come back for sale). Only time will tell what happens with Motorstorm Arctic Edge and Everybody's Tennis.Given the maturity of the PSP 'scene' (and that's maturity of it's existence, I make no statement as to the emotional age of the people involved) and the cat and mouse game of exploits they've been running, combined with the number of PSP titles available on the PSN, I suspect it's going to get more common rather than less.
Sony, on the other hand, SHOULD remove the software, while simultaneously crediting every purchaser the full price of the title.
... a charge back isn't the same as a billing issue.
a billing issue is your credit card won't work.
a billing issue is you were charged but you never received the game.
a billing issue is you were charged for two copies instead of one.
a charge back is when the customer accuses the seller of theft basically.
When this happens the seller receives fines from the major credit card institutions and possible is no longer allowed to do business with said institution.
If it was the banks mistake to do a chargeback then Valve isn't to blame. And in the rare case that happens Valve WILL unban your account, provided they get the necessary documentation. Can you blame them? They sold something and then the money was taken from them. It's basically theft from where they're standing.
yeah, except when they 'sell' something, don't deliver it, don't give the money back for weeks, then instruct the customer to charge back, then suspends the account when the customer does what they say!
like i said, not ready for prime time. yes, even on PC.
Oh they will, but I have the feeling it won't be to the consumer's benefit.Honestly the day I lose my steam library is the day I quit gaming(or just stick to MP games only). DD is the future whether we like it not. I hope laws will change to reflect this.
yeah, except when they 'sell' something, don't deliver it, don't give the money back for weeks, then instruct the customer to charge back, then suspends the account when the customer does what they say!
like i said, not ready for prime time. yes, even on PC.
I wonder if they meant it can be gameshared 5 times? Well, before they changed it to 2.
Seems like it. I tried to download something more than 5 times now, and it worked fine =)I wonder if they meant it can be gameshared 5 times? Well, before they changed it to 2.
I'm sure he had a LONG line of *awesome* software planned for us all. Can't these kids just remain the attention starved shit heads they have always been, instead of challenging Sony at OUR expense?
I think things will be better at some point. Just hope the dark ages won't last too long.Oh they will, but I have the feeling it won't be to the consumer's benefit.
At least we have relatively friendly consumer protection laws in Europe compared to the US... for now.
Cannot wait for that Digital Distribution future!
I wonder if they meant it can be gameshared 5 times? Well, before they changed it to 2.
People keep saying this.. Yet you are falling for Sony/MS/nintendos's idea of a closed platform DD future.
I don't see Steam taking away games because of some exploit.. oh wait thats because its on an open platform and people can do homebrew freely. Closed platforms controlled by retards are the problem.. not DD.
People keep saying this.. Yet you are falling for Sony/MS/nintendos's idea of a closed platform DD future.
I don't see Steam taking away games because of some exploit.. oh wait thats because its on an open platform and people can do homebrew freely. Closed platforms controlled by retards are the problem.. not DD.
Steam is not an open platform. The PC is.I don't see Steam taking away games because of some exploit.. oh wait thats because its on an open platform and people can do homebrew freely. Closed platforms controlled by retards are the problem.. not DD.
Yeah, OP. Why did you suddenly want to access content you've paid for? That's completely unreasonable!Hey OP why did you suddenly want to play these games?
Yeah, OP. Why did you suddenly want to access content you've paid for? That's completely unreasonable!
No, the two games in the OP excist as retail versions as well, and they work fine on the PSP.So, if there will be an exploit in a retail game, will they update firmware to block it from playing or what? Maybe Nintendo should have banned Twilight Princess from playing?
No one is saying that, the timing of it is suspect.
No one is saying that, the timing of it is suspect.
Damn it Junior, hitting us on the sore spots.Get that gods damned common sense right the hell out of here!
This is NeoGaf!
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"Hey, I just slammed by twig and beans in a drawer and it is bleeding pretty bad Gaf, should I call a doctor?"
"Hey Gaf this item that I bought that is completely under warranty that has a very clear and easy to find contact number located in many places has stopped working, fuck the world and fuck this company Gaf what do I do??"
Hey OP why did you suddenly want to play these games?
A year ago I bought a cheap PSP go to get the 10 free DD game associated with a purchase. One of the games included in this deal was Motorstor:AE. A few weeks ago Sony, without any warning, removed the title from the store and my PSN(SEN) download list. I don't know why and, to be honest, I didn't care all that much. It was "free" after all.
But now Sony did the same with Everybody's Tennis a game that I paid 24.95 for. No refund, no Email, no explanation, nothing. What the fuck is Sony thinking? I called the helpline (Germany) and got the "We're sorry but we can't help you right now" BS line. Does someone know a way to resolve the issue? Do I have any right to get my property back?
I hope Sony resolves this issue quick. Right now I will stop any SEN purchases. This is ridiculous. Yay, DD future.
No, the two games in the OP excist as retail versions as well, and they work fine on the PSP.