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DEA to make Kratom a schedule 1 drug starting September 30
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Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Asked the local smoke shop owner what this stuff is about a while back. First words out of his mouth were "highly addictive" so I didnt try it. Ill take the guy whose job it is to sell it over anecdotes on GAF.
YES! Let's continue to pour money and resources into our amazing War on Drugs!
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how ironic!
Beatofficer
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Most of the stuff I've seen at head shops are either extract or mixed with something else. It is not highly addictive. What he stated is pure ignorance.
Uh, I mean, consider the possibility that the drug has no approved medical uses (because it hasn't been studied), potential for abuse (because it's an opiate), and no understanding of how to use it safely under medical supervision (because, again, it hasn't been studied), and therefore fits the classification of a schedule I drug?
I think the DEA has overclassified a lot of drugs and overall I think full legalization or decriminalization for everything is the right choice. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the DEA needs crazy ulterior motives to do the thing that is their actual job.
He means it's another drug being outlawed because it threatens a major industry.
Remember everyone, big pharma has everyone's best interest at heart! Not profit.
evilromero
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I just find it odd that the DEA gets to determine what is illegal.
Their job is to preserve their own relevance, no matter the destructive cost to society.
They are criminals. Plain and simple.
What are you talking about? Asbestos handling is regulated in construction and demolition of schools at least. Tons of local and state governments have further regulations.
My mistake, you're right. But it isn't banned. And it should be.
LizardKing
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How is it constitutional for the US government to create an institution that determines what is and isn't legal without any legislative oversite? Seems highly unconstitutional to me. Has this ever been challenged in court?
The legislative branch made a law that authorizes an executive agency to regulate drugs.
The executive branch executes the law by creating an agency to do that.
This is how literally every government agency works. The legislative branch could generally overrule the agency if they really want to go to the trouble, but they typically don't.
PHOENIXZERO
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Cocaine is only a Schedule II class drug while of course Crack has much stiffer penalties thanks to lawmakers...
DEA largely serves their own funding related interests and that of the people who underwrite their budget.
DEA largely serves their own funding related interests and that of the people who underwrite their budget.
Beatofficer
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Yeah the smoke shop shit is garbage and what most people would end up trying unfortunately.
killertofu
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So where can I get this before it's illegal?
echoshifting
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That's all I've tried. Man it's awful stuff. Not worth it at all.
TAJ
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The DEA is under the DoJ. The previous POTUS straight up fired his Attorney General. I'd call that power.
When Obama took office the drug czar at the time said that the Obama administration didn't plan to make major changes to drug policy. Why did he bother mentioning the possibility of that? Because Obama could have done it, that's why.
exmachina64
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Smells like pharma industry lobbied to get rid of something that could hurt their massive pain pill business. But maybe I'm just being paranoid.
Edit: oh wait that's right DEA, aka let's find more ways to lock up non violent offenders.
benjipwns
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Good luck with all the studying and such once it's on Schedule I.
benjipwns
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Pretending for a second that the White House actually cares about these petitions.
Nobody commented on the aspect where a bunch of people are giving their names and e-mail addresses to the government about their use of something that will be ultra-illegal soon?
Beatofficer
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I doubt that they'd use those emails and names to try to track these people down. That seems ridiculous and it's also the only option for the supporters to try to get the DEA to reconsider their classification of kratom. I know it's a slim chance but people don't want to just roll over and give up without a fight.
tearsofash
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They ban stuff like this but plants like Datura are still legal?
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you can't change anything.
Ecto311
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Reddit has links to places that are still selling if anyone needs it. I have used it for over 3 years and no ill side effects. Helped me get away from opiates from when I broke my wrist.
The verge did a story on it helping heroin addicts and that was where I learned about it. Nice lady at my local tea shop has it and knows tons about it.
Since it is part of the coffee plant are they also banning coffee? They banned hemp with marijuana so it makes sense to me.
The verge did a story on it helping heroin addicts and that was where I learned about it. Nice lady at my local tea shop has it and knows tons about it.
Since it is part of the coffee plant are they also banning coffee? They banned hemp with marijuana so it makes sense to me.
PumpkinSpice
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Did an update ever get posted on this?
The DEA walked back plans to "schedule 1" Kratom and is instead soliciting public feedback on what to do.
It sounds like they can't legally do nothing but it might mean a far less severe restriction or regulation.
The DEA walked back plans to "schedule 1" Kratom and is instead soliciting public feedback on what to do.
It sounds like they can't legally do nothing but it might mean a far less severe restriction or regulation.
I really wonder what that looks like, is it basically like tobacco and only 18+?
I've got friends who use it for pain and anxiety, When this ban thing came up I talked them into letting me try it. It just provided a nice bit of relaxation and motivation, I was fully functional, if not moreso. There was no loss of cognitive or physical impairment with what I tried, It's hard to explain, but I definitely get the appeal.
They really opened Pandora's Box though, with the accusation that it was such a health risk it had to be listed with heroin, LSD and weed (living in CO I keep forgetting it's schedule I, Christ....)
Should be interesting to see how this plays out. At the very least I hope this delay leads to more research and actual empirical data on the stuff. Or maybe they'll just be honest, "It's hurting the sales of percs and vics, nuke it."
They can't just walk it all the way back? It's obviously not the hard drug they say it is and a large number of people seem to be aware of that
There's an alternate universe where this is how they do things. That place is SO much better then where we're at. Just getting teary eye'd thinking about it.
Ziltoidia 9
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Joe Rogan did a good podcast this week about this subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-9J5-KCHCU
Beer Monkey
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A mom I know would drive her kids around all day drinking a couple of pints of Kratom tea. I'll admit this concerned me. Could Child Protective services be called while keeping this off the DEA schedule?
ghostofsparta
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Oh we definitely will continue for many years to come, with Trump and his posse
yay people going to jail for drug use :<
it's not even a joke, it's just sad.
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