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[Mdk7]

Seems to me the target is casuals/Nintendo fans who EA wants to lure into buying Dead Space and it's sequel for PC/HD systems.

But I'm just going with the ridiculously obvious here, don't mind me.

So according to you something like House of the Dead Overkill is a game aimed towards the casuals/Nintendo fans.
Ok.

 

[markatisu]

Did anybody here decide to actually read the editorial instead of just his closing comments

Also why not post the remainder of his closing comments

This isn't a "Buy Dead Space Wii" campaign or "Why You Should be Hyped" call to arms. I'd just hope any self-respecting hardcore gamer would wait until they see or play it to reserve judgment. Let's put down the torches and rope for just a few minutes, and give this one a chance.

Or part of his opening

Here's my take on it all.

When the first official news went out about Dead Space coming to Wii, I wrote an "Essential Elements of Dead Space" article. At the time, going off the same info everyone else had, I wrote it expecting a traditional version of the game, and once news broke on the light gun nature of it, I did do a bit of a double-take, and that included laughing to myself about the article I wrote on it. "Gee, I was pretty far off on that Dead Space article, huh?"

At the same time, a lot of those aspects still line up, and that alone should be proof that Dead Space Extraction, while different from the norm, has some serious potential.

 

[Kilrogg]

Then you have Dead Space 2 to look forward to.

I'll be on your side once they announce that all further DS games will never be in the style of the original and will thenceforth only be lightgun shooters.

I hope that clarifies my position better for Flachmatuch and Kilrogg.

It does, thank you. I think I'd already understood your point then and generally agree with you.

 

[J-Rock]

Time to buy a PS360 then, no?

Your welcome to buy it for me. I don't have the money to spend on another console.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

So according to you something like House of the Dead Overkill is a game aimed towards the casuals/Nintendo fans.
Ok.

Yes, because I was referring to the entire light gun genre and not the Dead Space Extraction's purpose specifically.

Spoiler

christ almighty

 

[Amir0x]

Your welcome to buy it for me. I don't have the money to spend on another console.

Right so you're in the poor category then. Excuse accepted.

Nonetheless, it's cheaper than a Wii now so start saving your pennies up and eventually one day you too will have all the games you desire.

 

[vertopci]

Dead Space Wii being something different interests me.

 

[birdchili]

eventually one day you too will have all the games you desire.

...unless you think the nunchuk and remote pointer is a pretty nifty idea for an original third-person horror game.

 

[J-Rock]

Right so you're in the poor category then. Excuse accepted.

Nonetheless, it's cheaper than a Wii now so start saving your pennies up and eventually one day you too will have all the games you desire.

I'd rather you buy it for me.

...unless you think the nunchuk and remote pointer is a pretty nifty idea for an original third-person horror game.

This^

I prefer the Wii remote over every other controler. I can't even stand FPS games with dual analoge anymore. RE4 Wii had some slick controls. Loved em'. Dead Space Wii could have had some amazing controls too. Oh well.

 

[Flachmatuch]

Time to buy a PS360 then, no?

This is the same every generation. People complain about not getting these METRIC FUCKLOAD of games they apparently want, but they'll accept them wholesale only on the system they have. Unless you're poor and simply can't afford another system, there is no excuse for you to avoid systems with games you want.

You're misunderstanding this a bit imo. There seem to be *loads* of people (like me) who like 3rd person shooters because of the Wiimote and want more games like RE4. I'd never even consider playing DS on any other system, just like RE5 btw. You can't blame us for being disappointed when getting another on-rails shooter. DS might be awesome and RE5 might be the game of the forever, I'm still not interested in them on anything else but the Wii. For some people graphics are more important and I can understand that and not calling them stupid (except if they don't understand what this implies on the cost side), but for some other people, Wii controls beat anything else. I know you don't feel this way and in some other threads you didn't even believe that people can feel this way, but it's true! People really do have different tastes and preferences

 

[Mdk7]

Yes, because I was referring to the entire light gun genre and not the Dead Space Extraction's purpose specifically.

Spoiler

christ almighty

which makes things even worse.

 

[MegaKungFuRadio]

Dead Space Wii being something different interests me.

Far more interesting than a downport to say the least.

 

[Dascu]

To me, this isn't about not getting Dead Space on the Wii. It's about not getting a good 3rd person shooter with the excellent RE4Wii controls. Dead Space Wii could've been that game, and I assumed it to be that game. It's because of that that I'm disappointed that it's an on-rails shooter.

 

[Vinci]

So according to you something like House of the Dead Overkill is a game aimed towards the casuals/Nintendo fans.
Ok.

Whatcha' talkin' 'bout, man? We loves our horror games!

 

[Amir0x]

You're misunderstanding this a bit imo. There seem to be *loads* of people (like me) who like 3rd person shooters because of the Wiimote and want more games like RE4. I'd never even consider playing DS on any other system, just like RE5 btw. You can't blame us for being disappointed when getting another on-rails shooter. DS might be awesome and RE5 might be the game of the forever, I'm still not interested in them on anything else but the Wii. For some people graphics are more important and I can understand that and not calling them stupid (except if they don't understand what this implies on the cost side), but for some other people, Wii controls beat anything else. I know you don't feel this way and in some other threads you didn't even believe that people can feel this way, but it's true! People really do have different tastes and preferences

Alright that's fine no argument with me. We seem to be understanding people who get the differences in preferences and are intelligent enough to recognize the common thread we share in our extreme views.

 

[jmdajr]

I would have never bothered with a Dead Space WII port having a 360 and PS3.
This on the other hand, I would try at least.

 

[vertopci]

Far more interesting than a downport to say the least.

Exactly :lol

To me, this isn't about not getting Dead Space on the Wii. It's about not getting a good 3rd person shooter with the excellent RE4Wii controls. Dead Space Wii could've been that game, and I assumed it to be that game. It's because of that that I'm disappointed that it's an on-rails shooter.

Quit your bitching and get it on PC if you the best controls.

Spoiler

RE4 pointer controls were fucking shit anyways

 

[Sadist]

You're misunderstanding this a bit imo. There seem to be *loads* of people (like me) who like 3rd person shooters because of the Wiimote and want more games like RE4. I'd never even consider playing DS on any other system, just like RE5 btw. You can't blame us for being disappointed when getting another on-rails shooter. DS might be awesome and RE5 might be the game of the forever, I'm still not interested in them on anything else but the Wii. For some people graphics are more important and I can understand that and not calling them stupid (except if they don't understand what this implies on the cost side), but for some other people, Wii controls beat anything else. I know you don't feel this way and in some other threads you didn't even believe that people can feel this way, but it's true! People really do have different tastes and preferences

Yeah, this covers it all. The wait continues I guess.

 

[Eteric Rice]

Right so you're in the poor category then. Excuse accepted.

Nonetheless, it's cheaper than a Wii now so start saving your pennies up and eventually one day you too will have all the games you desire.

Not really, he'd still have to get a PS3/PSP/ whatever else he doesn't have this gen.

 

[Arde5643]

Quit your bitching and get it on PC if you the best controls.

Spoiler

RE4 pointer controls were fucking shit anyways

RE4C was shit though due to the messed up controls.

And I heard there were some bugs with the aiming system for Dead SpaceC.

 

[Vagabundo]

Then you have Dead Space 2 to look forward to.

I'll be on your side once they announce that all further DS games will never be in the style of the original and will thenceforth only be lightgun shooters.

I hope that clarifies my position better for Flachmatuch and Kilrogg.

Ahh, I understand, my disappointment stems from my expectation that the Wii gets thrown the bones after the PS360 feast and a light gun* games is all we can ever expect.

If a DS2 is announced for the Wii and is a TPS I'll be mollified.


*For the record I like light gun games and will see how DSe turns out.

 

[J-Rock]

You're misunderstanding this a bit imo. There seem to be *loads* of people (like me) who like 3rd person shooters because of the Wiimote and want more games like RE4. I'd never even consider playing DS on any other system, just like RE5 btw. You can't blame us for being disappointed when getting another on-rails shooter. DS might be awesome and RE5 might be the game of the forever, I'm still not interested in them on anything else but the Wii. For some people graphics are more important and I can understand that and not calling them stupid (except if they don't understand what this implies on the cost side), but for some other people, Wii controls beat anything else. I know you don't feel this way and in some other threads you didn't even believe that people can feel this way, but it's true! People really do have different tastes and preferences

This is exactly how I feel. Exactly.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Quit your bitching and get it on PC if you the best controls.

Spoiler

RE4 pointer controls were fucking shit anyways

I can understand having a differnet opinion on RE4's controls, but when you try to defend Dead Space's shitty, laggy mouse aim then it's obvious you're just trashing it to defend something else.

If you say "just disable v-sync!" I'll bite your face.

 

[Mithos]

Far more interesting than a downport to say the least.

But why on-rails, why not FPS?

I don't like on-rail games at all, I got Umbrella Chronicles just because it was RE.
I'm not so sure on an unknown IP like this going on-rail is the smartest way to go, even so I might get it anyways because I want 3rd party games also, not just 1st party games.

 

[Fuu]

Why, is Madworld going to be on-rails now, too?

No. I meant that as a jab at the people who are desperate for a TPA/TPS on Wii and are complaining about this game for this reason. In the end I'm glad to have more than one system and to be a fan of TPS and lightgun games, I'll get the best of both worlds (in case this game ends up being good, of course).

 

[Flachmatuch]

I would have never bothered with a Dead Space WII port having a 360 and PS3.
This on the other hand, I would try at least.

Again, I'm pretty sure this game's actually not made for you, or for people who played the original, I think they'll be a quite small minority of the buyers of this game.

Exactly :lol
Quit your bitching and get it on PC if you the best controls.

Since you couldn't move and shoot at the same time, Wii controls were actually in no way inferior to PC ones. You'd be right with most other games though, although I think that the Wiimote might be a lot more comfortable for couch play for a lot of people and that'd compensate for slightly worse controls.

No. I meant that as a jab at the people who are desperate for a TPA/TPS on Wii and are complaining about this game for this reason. In the end I'm glad to have more than one system and to be a fan of both TPS and lightgun games, I'll get the best of both worlds (in case this game ends up being good, of course).

We're complaining because we thought this'd be one, and because this could also easily have been one. Madworld is pretty different (and the movies actually made my eyes hurt anyway (literally)).

 

[markatisu]

Again, I'm pretty sure this game's actually not made for you, or for people who played the original, I think they'll be a quite small minority of the buyers of this game.

So the Dead Space animated movie and the novels were also made for that small minority as well? Wow I am glad companies like just throwing away money on products nobody will ever buy

 

[Flachmatuch]

You don't have to have a Wii for the movie and the novels. I'm only basing this on how small the overlap between Wii and 360 owners is so I might be completely wrong. Seriously, if 30% of the people who played the original own a Wii, you're still only looking at a couple hundred thousand people, no? Aiming a game at these people just doesn't make any business sense.

 

[Vinci]

Actually, based on the response this game is getting from those who already own Dead Space on the PS3/360, it's likely it might sell well because of its differences on the Wii. To be fair, I think this was a good move in terms of getting them on-board with a spin-off; otherwise most wouldn't have bothered and would have simply spent their time making fun of the port for looking like shit (to them).

 

[markatisu]

You don't have to have a Wii for the movie and the novels. I'm only basing this on how small the overlap between Wii and 360 owners is so I might be completely wrong.

No but if you are into Dead Space enough to get the novels and the movie then you will probably want the game as well.

Your basing this on some imaginary division of ownership which is at best anecdotal since the Wii userbase in the US is so large that there is surely large overlap as not all 18-20m owners are Wii only

I could buy the argument that people are upset because they want more RE4 like games and not rail shooters, but saying what you are saying about the intended audience for this game flies in the face of almost every sales report and survey since the Wii began outselling the two competitors

 

[abstract alien]

Why does everyone keep saying "port" when we already heard it would be a new game, just not an on-rails one?

 

[vertopci]

I can understand having a differnet opinion on RE4's controls, but when you try to defend Dead Space's shitty, laggy mouse aim then it's obvious you're just trashing it to defend something else.

If you say "just disable v-sync!" I'll bite your face.

Why? All you have to do is disable in game and enable in your graphics card control panel. And bam your mouse problem is fixed. It takes a full one fucking minute. If you can't be bothered to do that, that's your fucking problem for being so lazy.

RE4C was shit though due to the messed up controls.

And I heard there were some bugs with the aiming system for Dead SpaceC.

RE4 PC was just a horrible messy shitty port. No doubt about that :lol

Anyways I was referring to Dead Space about the getting it on PC for best controls. And there was nothing buggy about the aiming system for dead space except for that vsync stuff which takes a whole minute to fix.

 

[Pojo]

20 pages of ugly. That's what EA gets for leading us on (or whoever posted the news DEAD SPACE COMING TO WII).

 

[Vinci]

Why does everyone keep saying "port" when we already heard it would be a new game, just not an on-rails one?

Because so many people were going, "port with RE4 controls'?

 

[Flachmatuch]

No but if you are into Dead Space enough to get the novels and the movie then you will probably want the game as well.

Your basing this on some imaginary division of ownership which is at best anecdotal since the Wii userbase in the US is so large that there is surely large overlap as not all 18-20m owners are Wii only

If you read sales-age threads, you'll know that multi console owners are just a few percent of the whole userbase, way below 10% and nowhere near my 30%.

I could buy the argument that people are upset because they want more RE4 like games and not rail shooters, but saying what you are saying about the intended audience for this game flies in the face of almost every sales report and survey since the Wii began outselling the two competitors

The only number I know about this is that NPD report that said something like 3%.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Why? All you have to do is disable in game and enable in your graphics card control panel. And bam your mouse problem is fixed. It takes a full one fucking minute. If you can't be bothered to do that, that's your fucking problem for being so lazy.

There is less mouse lag if you enable it under the nVidia control panel or CCC. It doesn't go away.

 

[vertopci]

There is less mouse lag if you enable it under the nVidia control panel or CCC. It doesn't go away.

Yes it does. I have absolutely no mouse lag at all on Dead Space.

Spoiler

Besides you can use any controller you want on PC anyways. Even the wii remote.

 

[Arde5643]

Anyways I was referring to Dead Space about the getting it on PC for best controls. And there was nothing buggy about the aiming system for dead space except for that vsync stuff which takes a whole minute to fix.

Ah ok, glad to know the bug is easily fixed. I thought it was another RE4C issue. :lol

 

[Flachmatuch]

Why? All you have to do is disable in game and enable in your graphics card control panel. And bam your mouse problem is fixed. It takes a full one fucking minute. If you can't be bothered to do that, that's your fucking problem for being so lazy.

And you don't get tearing with v-sync off? No idea tbh but that'd be strange.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Yes it does. I have absolutely no mouse lag at all on Dead Space.

My framerate never dropped below 30 and it was still noticeable. Intolerable even.

 

[Zen]

It's a shame that it's Fall 09, but it looking so good has convinced me to give DeadSpace a shot, the demo on PS3 was terrible, but I've constantly been hearing good things.

As much as the WIi probably could handle a port of Deadspace, I'm sort of more interested in Extraction being what it is.

 

[abstract alien]

Because so many people were going, "port with RE4 controls'?

After hearing about it, I was under the impression that we would be getting a new game with re4 style controls.

 

[vertopci]

And you don't get tearing with v-sync off? No idea tbh but that'd be strange.

You misread me there. You turn off the V-sync option in game, but enable it thru the graphics card control panel, so you still have V-sync, but with no mouse lag.

My framerate never dropped below 30 and it was still noticeable. Intolerable even.

You're doing something wrong, or your PC is fucked up somewhere :lol
Also triple buffering may help

 

[Flachmatuch]

You misread me there. You turn off the V-sync option in game, but enable it thru the graphics card control panel, so you still have V-sync, but with no mouse lag.

Oh wow :-D That looks like a very stupid bug :-DDD

 

[thefro]

Looks great, but I'm very disappointed it's going to be another on-rails shooter.

 

[vertopci]

Oh wow :-D That looks like a very stupid bug :-DDD

Yea :lol

At least it's easily fixable

 

[markatisu]

If you read sales-age threads, you'll know that multi console owners are just a few percent of the whole userbase, way below 10% and nowhere near my 30%.

I read sales-age all the time, and for every region. Where did you get that number? I would like to see that as it is completely unrealistic that about 1.8m people own more than 1 console and the other 16-18m are Wii only. I would be more inclined to believe your 30% but that is still a large amount to sell to on a game that needed multiple consoles to get past 1m

The only number I know about this is that NPD report that said something like 3%.

Again please provide a link

 

[TunaLover]

Actually, based on the response this game is getting from those who already own Dead Space on the PS3/360, it's likely it might sell well because of its differences on the Wii. To be fair, I think this was a good move in terms of getting them on-board with a spin-off; otherwise most wouldn't have bothered and would have simply spent their time making fun of the port for looking like shit (to them).

Doesn't the game bombs? There small fanbase for the game, the chance they already have a Wii, or thinking about getting a Wii for this game make this demography even more narrow.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

You're doing something wrong, or your PC is fucked up somewhere :lol
Also triple buffering may help

No, it's just the way the game is I'm afraid. It's pretty apparent what the issue is when it doesn't happen in other games and it still happens with the "fix". It's not as fast as it should be.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Heh, I wasn't too interested in the first one, so I might keep an eye on this. One thing I've observed, though, is that if a non-light-gun game series (RE) is developed into a lightgun game (RE:UC), it isn't all that fun.