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Rickelodeon said:
anyways, here's my favorite pull quote of the night, from Polygon's review
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No 3D?
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Here's an Omnibus for you

Here's another.

And then there's Duggan's run.

I mean, that's not a small amount of product there. That's a lot of words, a lot of pictures, a lot of one-liners and punchlines. Not a lot of R-Rated bullshit up in there.

Again, if this movie manages to be R-Rated Deadpool that's absolutely worth watching, and enjoyable as well, then it'll be one of the exceptions to the R-rated Deadpool rule. If anything, I've found that in my experience most people who profess a necessity for Deadpool to exist in the R-Rated realm aren't very familiar with the character, and likely haven't read too many of his comics.

maybe they played the game, I dunno.
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Bobby, deadpool has had R-rated content since forever, so I don't really know why you're so opposed to an R-rating. Deadpool always swore, it was just bleeped with profanity symbols (@#$&! and whatnot) because it was a Marvel book. Deadpool was always violent, but it was mostly alluded to dialogue or depicted out of frame rather than shown on-panel. Save, of course, for the most recent Duggan run, which didn't dance around showing the viewer graphic material and IMO, it fit the character's irreverence very well.
 
Coffee Dog said:
Bobby, deadpool has had R-rated content since forever, so I don't really know why you're so opposed to an R-rating.
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I'm not opposed to it at all. I simply said that the amount of good PG-13 material vastly oustrips the amount of good R-rated material, and the narrative that Deadpool being PG-13 is somehow weaker, or more limiting, is a false narrative considering the characters' highest highs have come via his PG-13 incarnations.

I'm not anti R-Rated Deadpool at all. I'm anti the idea it's the default best way to go about telling stories with him.

Deadpool doesn't have to be R-Rated to work, is all I'm saying. People are marveling at the idea that "real" Deadpool made it to the screen, when I don't think R-Rated Deadpool is "the real" at all. It's a version. It can be a good version, too. I just don't think it's the best version, historically.
 
If only DMX was out of jail to appreciate this movie. :(

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Bobby Roberts said:
1) I don't know if that's necessarily true.
2) A majority of people who like terrible shit doesn't make that shit less terrible.

There's a bunch of people on this forum who think Transformers: The Movie is a good film, too, for example.
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Them sharks smell blood bobby.
 
Sweet. This could've really easily went either way, so it's great to hear good reviews.

I also didn't know this was coming out so soon! Exciting!
 
How many of these reviews are from geek websites tho?

I'm hopeful the movie is good but if this is winning over its target audience I'm not surprised. I want to see how it plays with people who aren't familiar with the character.

My biggest worry is if the movie goes too far up its own ass with the humor but it seems like it walks the line well.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I'm not opposed to it at all. I simply said that the amount of good PG-13 material vastly oustrips the amount of good R-rated material, and the narrative that Deadpool being PG-13 is somehow weaker, or more limiting, is a false narrative considering the characters' highest highs have come via his PG-13 incarnations.

I'm not anti R-Rated Deadpool at all. I'm anti the idea it's the default best way to go about telling stories with him.

Deadpool doesn't have to be R-Rated to work, is all I'm saying. People are marveling at the idea that "real" Deadpool made it to the screen, when I don't think R-Rated Deadpool is "the real" at all. It's a version. It can be a good version, too. I just don't think it's the best version, historically.
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Well, I mean, I get what you're saying. The best version of Deadpool had censored swears and obscured violence. I just don't think that's nearly as tolerable in a movie as it is in a comic book, and that presented with a choice between a swearing and violent deadpool and a non swearing and obscured violence deadpool, the swearing and violence is infinitely more faithful.
 
The Driver said:
How many of these reviews are from geek websites tho?

I'm hopeful the movie is good but if this is winning over its target audience I'm not surprised. I want to see how it plays with people who aren't familiar with the character.

My biggest worry is that it the movie goes to far up its own ass with the humor but it seems like it walks the line well.
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Yeah, the movie has 65 on Metacritic with all these "great reviews" which is obviously not awful, but some negative/meh reviews have started to come in. I would stay sceptical.
 
Coffee Dog said:
Well, I mean, I get what you're saying. The best version of Deadpool had censored swears and obscured violence. I just don't think that's nearly as tolerable in a movie as it is in a comic book, and that presented with a choice between a swearing and violent deadpool and a non swearing and obscured violence deadpool, the swearing and violence is infinitely more faithful.
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It simply wouldn't work in movie form. Could you imagine how boring an action flick without much of the action in it would be. Utterly pointless.
 
Fletch said:
Yeah, the movie has 65 on Metacritic with all these "great reviews" which is obviously not awful, but some negative/meh reviews have started to come in. I would stay sceptical.
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this is not really the kind of movie i'd expect to have a stellar rating. i'm honestly thinking it ends up in 40-low 60 levels.

looks really fun though because it's about time we got a really irreverent superhero movie, genre was playing it straight for quite a while. reminds me of the mask more than anything else. ryan reynolds was spot on casting for this. 15 years ago this would have been jim carrey's role.
 
Obliterator said:
Any word on how much gore is in this? My wife wants to see it with me but shes not into that. Blood and stuff is fine but how violent exactly are we talking?

Happy to see early reviews are very positive
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I've scene the trailers in theatre and they lead me to believe that it is fairly gruesome. If she is ok with people getting shot in the head and seeing the resulting blood spray, maybe she will be ok with it?
 
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
like 99% of Deadpool comics ever published have been pg-13. Marvel comics generally don't allow cursing and nudity if they aren't Marvel Max or Marvel Knights.

Hell, the original Joe Kelly ones were comics code compliant.
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Nudity almost never. There's plenty of censored cussing. The Kelly run was before Marvel dropped the comics code so yeah of course it would be compliant.

While Deadpool comics aren't quite as spectacularly violent as Punisher comics, he is an assassin and I'd say a good lot of his comics, especially recent ones, could be classified as R if they were movies. The movie doesn't *need* to be R-Rated and it doesn't need to be rated pg 13 either.


Bobby Roberts said:
Here's an Omnibus for you

Here's another.

And then there's Duggan's run.

I mean, that's not a small amount of product there. That's a lot of words, a lot of pictures, a lot of one-liners and punchlines. Not a lot of R-Rated bullshit up in there.

Again, if this movie manages to be R-Rated Deadpool that's absolutely worth watching, and enjoyable as well, then it'll be one of the exceptions to the R-rated Deadpool rule. If anything, I've found that in my experience most people who profess a necessity for Deadpool to exist in the R-Rated realm aren't very familiar with the character, and likely haven't read too many of his comics.

maybe they played the game, I dunno.
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I'll give you the Kelly run but Duggans run is pretty violent. Could certainly classify as R. Not to mention Remender's take on the character. He is an assassin after all.
 
my name is ed said:
I'll give you the Kelly run but Duggans run is pretty violent.
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PG-13 is pretty violent now, too. You can do a fuckin' ton with PG-13.

It's academic at this point - the filmmakers went the way they went, and we're all about to find out if it worked for them. If it works, it works, and I'll enjoy it accordingly! I'm just basically arguing against the idea that the best Deadpool is an R-rated one, and a PG-13 version of the character is inherently, automatically shittier. That's simply not borne out by the character's own history.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
PG-13 is pretty violent now, too. You can do a fuckin' ton with PG-13.

It's academic at this point - the filmmakers went the way they went, and we're all about to find out if it worked for them. If it works, it works, and I'll enjoy it accordingly! I'm just basically arguing against the idea that the best Deadpool is an R-rated one, and a PG-13 version of the character is inherently, automatically shittier. That's simply not borne out by the character's own history.
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Dawg, I don't know why you're ignoring the fact that the comics were PG-13 friendly because they were censored. Swears were bleeped. Heavy violence happened, but it did so off screen and off panel.

I mean, I don't think we want a whole movie of this, do we?

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Heavy violence, off panel so that marvel gives it the ok.

More recent deadpool comics (such as the highly acclaimed Duggan & Posehn run) have upped the onscreen violence massively (because marvel is looser on violence than during Kelly's run) and kept the censored swears (because marvel still thinks swears are a no no in mainstream comics)
 
Coffee Dog said:
Dawg, I don't know why you're ignoring the fact that the comics were PG-13 friendly because they were censored.
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I'm not ignoring it. It doesn't actually fuckin' matter that much, is the thing.

In fact, as per the standard back & forth regarding the quality of Arrested Development, the argument can be (and has been) made that the creativity in dancing around the swears/violence end up benefitting the irreverent nature of the character and the storytelling.

For instance, the panels you chose don't necessarily improve the storytelling by default if you see the bullets entering the person and blowing their back out in full view, either. There are ways in which it could have, sure. But your argument posits that any sort of suggested violence/naughtiness is automatically bullshit compared to showing all, baldfaced and full-frontal. That's not the case. Never has been. Never will be.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I'm not ignoring it. It doesn't actually fuckin' matter that much, is the thing.

In fact, as per the standard arguments regarding the quality of Arrested Development, the argument can be (and has been) made that the creativity in dancing around the swears/violence end up benefitting the irreverent nature of the character.
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But they didn't dance around the swears. Deadpool swore a lot, it was bleeped. Are bleeps creative or beneficial?

They didn't dance around the violence. Deadpool was still violent, it just cut away. Is cutting away from violence to show deadpool stabbing at the camera for the thousandth time creative or beneficial?

Deadpool was always an R comic. It's just that in the early runs of the character, it was an R comic doing its damnedest to fit in a PG13 universe.

Edit: and bobby, I don't the comic having swears censored and cutting away from violence impacted the comic as nearly as bad as it would negatively impact a movie adaptation.
 
100% right now, damn. I'm sure it will go down but 11 positive reviews right off the bat is a pretty good sign.

Wasn't really looking forward to this but if the reviews stay positive I might have to go see it.
 
Getting better reviews than expected. I mean, I already booked tickets for my spouse and I anyways, but it's cool to see the film review well.
 
Coffee Dog said:
But they didn't dance around the swears.
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What? The fact they bleeped them out is literally dancing around them. Same with the violence. Is this why you're misunderstanding me?

Is cutting away from violence to show deadpool stabbing at the camera for the thousandth time creative or beneficial?
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It can be, sure. Depends on how it's done. Is uncensored gore and unfettered profanity automatically better/more artistic? No. It's not. It can be. But it's not axiomatic. which was the whole point of my even entering the discussion where I entered it, to counter the idea that a) best Deadpool is R-rated Deadpool and b) PG-13 Deadpool is inherently lesser and not as good.

There's really no reason to pursue this any further, especially if the key point of contention is your misunderstanding of how/why suggestion can be (and has been) used creatively (and successfully) in Deadpool storytelling.

You're almost acting as if cutting away from violence or using creative bleeping and/or euphemism instead of swearing is equivalent to redacting a historical document. It isn't.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
What? The fact they bleeped them out is literally dancing around them. Same with the violence. Is this why you're misunderstanding me?



It can be, sure. Depends on how it's done. Is uncensored gore and unfettered profanity automatically better/more artistic? No. It's not. It can be. But it's not axiomatic. which was the whole point of my even entering the discussion where I entered it, to counter the idea that a) best Deadpool is R-rated Deadpool and b) PG-13 Deadpool is inherently lesser and not as good.

There's really no reason to pursue this any further, especially if the key point of contention is your misunderstanding of how/why suggestion can be (and has been) used creatively (and successfully) in Deadpool storytelling.

You're almost acting as if cutting away from violence or using creative bleeping and/or euphemism instead of swearing is equivalent to redacting a historical document. It isn't.
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I mean, my point was that Deadpool has always been an R-rated comic, with scripts riddled with heavy violence and swears and not safe for kids content, edited down and sanitized to fit into Marvel's Universe as required. They often weren't creative about it (bleeping swears isn't creative, like what the hell lol), and often times pushed the limits of what Marvel considered acceptable from a mainstream superhero comic even afterwards.

To argue that an R rated movie isn't a definitively accurate adaptation of R rated scripts makes no sense, unless your alternative is asking that the film be censored with swear bleeps and offscreen violence like the original comics were. Personally, I think that would be unbearable.
 
Greatly looking forward to the movie even though I don't think it'll be half as funny as X-Men Origins.

Gonna see it with a bunch of my friends on opening night and it's gonna be sweeeeeet
 
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