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Dear GAF, buy Sonic Generations. ...no seriously.
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WrathOfOtaibah
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OK that's hyperbole, and I think Galaxy is overrated.dark10x said:
QisTopTier
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No it's opinion.WrathOfOtaibah said:
jim-jam bongs
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It's a perfectly valid opinion to hold, however I will not pay much attention to that poster's opinion about other games when looking for recommendations because I personally feel that it's so insanely wrong that it calls everything they say from now on into question.
How is that hyperbole? Most 3D platformers focus on exploration and other such slower paced gameplay. I can appreciate that and enjoy it, but Sonic Generations gives me a rush and "gotta replay that stage one more time" kind of feeling that I haven't experienced in a long time.WrathOfOtaibah said:
I can't think of a 3D platformer I've enjoyed this much in years.
This comes from someone who has been collecting and replaying a LOT of 16-bit games this year. I've been playing the shit out of SNES, SFC, Genesis, TG-16, etc. My favorite platformer of all time remains Super Mario World followed by Sonic 2. Sonic Generations isn't as good as the best platformers.
In case I misspoke, Sonic Generations is my favorite 3D platformer of THIS generation, not of all time.
Care to share with me your reasoning for this? I can certainly understand placing Generations down the list, so to speak, but your tone makes it seem as if you view it as crap. I can't imagine why.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Just beat the game. Still not quite sure what to think.
I guess I could say I like it more than Super Mario Galaxy 2.
I guess I could say I like it more than Super Mario Galaxy 2.
jim-jam bongs
Member
dark10x said:
Not at all, I enjoy it very much, but Super Mario Galaxy is the best 3D platformer ever made in my opinion. For the record I'm not having a go at you, just saying that we clearly have incompatible perspectives on this issue.
WrathOfOtaibah
Banned
dark10x said:
Mario Galaxy isn't exactly about exploration, since it threw it out for a more linear style. Which some love and that's OK, I was pretty disappointed with it. The 2nd was fantastic though. And even then that's still hyperbole.
Glad you love it though.
That's a very black and white way of looking at things. I certainly couldn't say that definitively, I suppose, as Mario Galaxy is extremely high quality. Galaxy at its best is truly amazing, but there are a number of low points as well. The hub is awful to navigate, a number of stages feel a bit sub-par compared to the rest of the game, and the music isn't always at 100% like I had hoped (the good stuff is out of this world, but the standard midi tunes are a bit dull).jim-jam bongs said:
The highs of Galaxy are better than anything in Sonic Generations, but I've simply had a more consistently good time with it. Still, it's a close fight between the two for me. I could easily flip-flop between the two.
Galaxy 2, however, was a bit of a disappointment. It did some things better, but other things faltered.
I am not a fan of exploration based platformers any longer, however. I find them all to be rather dull and pointless. The original Mario 64 is about the only one I can still enjoy.
jim-jam bongs
Member
dark10x said:
It's funny, we clearly agree on Galaxy 2. Improved and refined a bunch of things, but yeah it didn't go far enough. It's telling that I can recall nearly every star in SMG but only a handful of levels from SMG2.
Personally, Sonic disappoints me because it's almost completely lacking in that exploration aspect which I enjoy so much. I love the way that platforming works like a series of puzzles in SMG because of all the moves Mario has which aren't just situational.
Anyway, my post probably seemed a bit weird in retrospect. I've just been thinking about individual taste how it operates in a recommendation context for enthusiasts, so that was where my head was at.
jim-jam bongs
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qq more said:
So he can more easily tell what is a "real game" and what isn't, duh.
QisTopTier
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Don't you know games are only worth buying if you can sit and watch them. Fuck playing them who does that these days.qq more said:
Phonomezer
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QisTopTier said:
I prefer gaming on Youtube.
jim-jam bongs
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Raonak said:
Even though this game has probably 100 times the singleplayer content of a game like Uncharted 3?
Phonomezer
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Raonak said:
You're talking about wanting cinematic games, which offer the least in terms of gameplay, over a "simple game"?
This is why Australia should push NZ further out to sea
Haven't finished it yet, but I've put hours and hours into the game cleaning up red rings, getting S-ranks on challenges and stages, etc...About half the game is completely 'S'-d even if the final boss is still waiting for my challenge.
For everything the game does well, there are still a few really nagging issues that bring it down. It's ultimately been a really enjoyable game, but too much of it I would never want to revisit again.
Essentially anytime the game keeps its focus on the level design and the multitude of pathways/branches its pretty phenomenal. Some of the challenges require a mix of skill and foresight to earn 'S' ranks(though they often can be extremely lenient). Very satisfying to maintain the upper route having put the time to understand the layouts of these labyrinthine courses.
Way too many challenges focus on gimmick bullshit though. Stuff that never is involved with the core gameplay, introducing a useless skillset that is limited to the challenge itself(often with the shitty friends). Total waste of my time and potential for meaningful cohesion into the courses proper. If Sonic Team ever gets serious about wanting the majority player base to better associate themselves to the nuances of these levels, then the challenges should better reflect that sort of thing. 'S' ranks are mostly effortless to earn on normal runs, almost completely voiding a satisfying reward for skilled play. It's unfortunate that the hidden red rings are the only real teaching tool for nudging the player into properly navigating these courses.
Nonetheless, it's been a great ride. Still lots of room for improvement, and really I think the course selection is quite mixed. They mostly are extremely well designed and have some great branching pathways, but the incentives aren't really there at all.
For everything the game does well, there are still a few really nagging issues that bring it down. It's ultimately been a really enjoyable game, but too much of it I would never want to revisit again.
Essentially anytime the game keeps its focus on the level design and the multitude of pathways/branches its pretty phenomenal. Some of the challenges require a mix of skill and foresight to earn 'S' ranks(though they often can be extremely lenient). Very satisfying to maintain the upper route having put the time to understand the layouts of these labyrinthine courses.
Way too many challenges focus on gimmick bullshit though. Stuff that never is involved with the core gameplay, introducing a useless skillset that is limited to the challenge itself(often with the shitty friends). Total waste of my time and potential for meaningful cohesion into the courses proper. If Sonic Team ever gets serious about wanting the majority player base to better associate themselves to the nuances of these levels, then the challenges should better reflect that sort of thing. 'S' ranks are mostly effortless to earn on normal runs, almost completely voiding a satisfying reward for skilled play. It's unfortunate that the hidden red rings are the only real teaching tool for nudging the player into properly navigating these courses.
Nonetheless, it's been a great ride. Still lots of room for improvement, and really I think the course selection is quite mixed. They mostly are extremely well designed and have some great branching pathways, but the incentives aren't really there at all.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
The first demo had awful framerate; it made me feel ill. The second demo's framerate is better, but the retail disc's framerate is better than that, imo. But you'll still get some framerate drops if too much is going on or if the game is trying to keep up with your speed; they're more evident in the PS3 version than the other versions. The PS3 version is still perfectly playable, however. I usually get sick with games that have weird framerate issues (or are in first person perspective) and it didn't really happen with this one (other than the first PS3 demo in June).ACESmkII said:
If you have access to an Xbox 360 or a competent gaming PC, I'd go with those. From what I've seen, the 360 version's framerate is more solid than the PS3's.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Im sorry but thinking generations can be better than any of the two galaxies is insane.
Generations have too many faults to be considered and great game (come on guys, the game is really good, but you are starting to overhype it, and thats doing the game no good) while the two galaxies are some of the, not only platforming, but the best games in general out there.
But I understand, thats what happens when fans have been playing shitty games in a saga they like for too much time and then comes something moderately good.
Generations have too many faults to be considered and great game (come on guys, the game is really good, but you are starting to overhype it, and thats doing the game no good) while the two galaxies are some of the, not only platforming, but the best games in general out there.
But I understand, thats what happens when fans have been playing shitty games in a saga they like for too much time and then comes something moderately good.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Yeah, Galaxy 2 is probably the best 3D platformer I've played. Tight mechanics all around and improved what Galaxy introduced. I don't think Generations is better than either Galaxy game in terms of mechanics at all.SpacePirate Ridley said:
I enjoyed Generations for complementing Colours well (which I thought was a better game than Generations in terms of cohesiveness and overall Modern gameplay design outside of drifting), and for being a nice anniversary game for the fans.
Definitely. Generations is a good game that could have been great had they included more stages (what's there isn't enough, and Sega knows this, which is why they're charging budget), abandoned some suspect mechanics from 3D Sonic games, didn't include stages from Sonic 2006 and Sonic Unleashed (seriously why?) and instead threw in Sonic CD and Sonic 3 stages, and didn't have a terrible final boss battle among other things.SpacePirate Ridley said:
While I agree with your other points, what's this about? Crisis City could've been better but Rooftop Run was great and they had a lot of others to choose from both as well. They aren't and wouldn't have been the same level and they both have level tropes that aren't commonly used either. They should've had levels from Sonic 3 and Sonic CD for sure, but every other game has right to representation if Sonic 3's boring levels and CD's awkwardly designed ones are up for inclusion.jackdoe said:
Yeah I can definitely agree with this. I guess it was more nostalgia talking than anything in my statement. And Crisis City was definitely a pain in the ass.Berordn said:
9 Stages and a bunch of variants in terms of challenges. Some of the challenges are great fun, but the Cream the Rabbit challenges had to be some of the biggest bullshit game design I have seen in a while.Raonak said:doesn't it have 90 stages?
full price here.
jim-jam bongs
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I'm pretty Sonic Generations will be someone's game of the year, so I guess he's buying it?
ShockingAlberto
Member
Generations needed another six months to a year.
That hypothetical game could have been Sonic's series-defining moment, but Sega kind of stumbled at the finish line.
That said, the game is, at it's core, fun. It just lacks the polish it needed to be great. And it was a lot of polish.
That hypothetical game could have been Sonic's series-defining moment, but Sega kind of stumbled at the finish line.
That said, the game is, at it's core, fun. It just lacks the polish it needed to be great. And it was a lot of polish.
spindashing
Banned
Even if a Sonic game gets to be GOTY material, I'm sure the fans will complain about something.
- Friends being playable.
- Friends being in the game.
- Green eyes.
- Long quills.
- Homing attack.
- Friends being playable.
- Friends being in the game.
- Green eyes.
- Long quills.
- Homing attack.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Sadly this. I think I've done enough complaining about that segment of the game across two threads, though. It seemed very rushed, plain and simple.ShockingAlberto said:
I'll agree that it's pretty fun. I enjoyed it quite a bit (and still am). I wouldn't go so far as to declare it as my favourite 3D platformer of the generation, though. Plus I enjoyed Colours a little more.
Vampire On Titus
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Generations is a great game, yeah it has issues but definitely an 8-8.5ish title, if you were going to assign a score to it. Yeah it has some issues: Should have more stages (although its got a lot of good challenges, so it's not as big a deal as some people are saying), S ranking is severely devalued, Final Boss is bad, A weird glitch here or there (like twice throughout beating the game).
However the pro's far outweigh the cons, great levels, still a lot of replayability through competing with friend times, tons of variety, tight controls, great music and it looks amazing.
However the pro's far outweigh the cons, great levels, still a lot of replayability through competing with friend times, tons of variety, tight controls, great music and it looks amazing.
Pureauthor
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This game needed more Eggman.
I could listen to Mike Pollock hamming it up all day.
I could listen to Mike Pollock hamming it up all day.
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