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Death Battle: Son Goku vs. Superman 2
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Hell, just this one page from "Legend of the Green Flame" gives Superman more depth than Goku:
(This is what Hell is to Superman, seeing people suffer and being unable to help them)
Looking at the comments, it seems like he's not serious
Or he's afraid of a Backlash haha
I totally accepted that from you if i remember correctly it made sense. However, as you said Pre-crisis Supes is OP as hell so composite superman would kill Goku no problem it's not a fair fight man. To be honest were being really generous saying that Goku would have time to attack in the first place. Superman has at least light speed reaction time if not faster and can move FTL. The fight would start and end before he knew about it.
Let me ask you this do you believe that goku can defeat Flash?
flaxknuckles
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It's a lot more interesting than watching Goku charge up for 50 episodes or farming in DB Super.
Black-Wind
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I call BS on all of this.
First fight ... why would Goku not teleport to another planet if Supes broke the earth? This one ... really? You go through the effort of making a part 2 just to have Supes fry his brain?
Also, wtf at brushing off power levels as being "meaningless" yet taking stupid shit like Supes hearing a sound from earth through the vacuum of space at a speed that's impossible for sound to travel is useable?
First fight ... why would Goku not teleport to another planet if Supes broke the earth? This one ... really? You go through the effort of making a part 2 just to have Supes fry his brain?
Also, wtf at brushing off power levels as being "meaningless" yet taking stupid shit like Supes hearing a sound from earth through the vacuum of space at a speed that's impossible for sound to travel is useable?
Crap, I take back what I said about Supes. He ain't boring. That's touching!
flaxknuckles
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The sound didn't travel to Superman's ears, his ears traveled to the sound.
Armoured Titan
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Goku is light speed as well. Whis is massively FTL and Beerus below him but still FTL. Goku fought Beerus in the first movie at speeds so fast that time appeared frozen as raindrops were floating in the air and they managed to have a lengthy conversation at the same time. In fact Goku from Dragonball has speed feats which you could arguably say approaches light speed as well. Most won't use it, but if you want to use composite, then he's so much faster than light.
I believe Flash would win. He's one of my favorite DC characters and I love the TV show
The honest answer is the winner would depend on who's writing them since Power levels in comic books are bullshit.
For example take Darkseid. He's supposed to be a really big time multiversal threat yet it's hard to take him very seriously when freaking Aquaman can stab his eye out. One day he's wiping the floor with the Justice league and the next Superman is kicking has ass one on one.
And then you get stuff like Superman supposedly bench pressing the equivalent of the earth for days on end in one story to him having trouble moving the moon with assistance from other heros in another.
The only thing consistent about how strong superman is how inconsistent it can be, especially between different version of him. Pre-crises Superman is not the same as Post crisis who isn't the same as New 52 Superman so cherry picking feats across different versions like what was done here is just downright disingenuous.
Granted Dragon ball isn't much better at consistency. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku going down to a laser from one of Freiza's henchman shouldn't be possible given some of his other feats over the years, but the problem is Dragon ball is written by one dude who's more of a gag writer then a serious one, a writer that often forgets his own past details at that.
For example take Darkseid. He's supposed to be a really big time multiversal threat yet it's hard to take him very seriously when freaking Aquaman can stab his eye out. One day he's wiping the floor with the Justice league and the next Superman is kicking has ass one on one.
And then you get stuff like Superman supposedly bench pressing the equivalent of the earth for days on end in one story to him having trouble moving the moon with assistance from other heros in another.
The only thing consistent about how strong superman is how inconsistent it can be, especially between different version of him. Pre-crises Superman is not the same as Post crisis who isn't the same as New 52 Superman so cherry picking feats across different versions like what was done here is just downright disingenuous.
Granted Dragon ball isn't much better at consistency. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku going down to a laser from one of Freiza's henchman shouldn't be possible given some of his other feats over the years, but the problem is Dragon ball is written by one dude who's more of a gag writer then a serious one, a writer that often forgets his own past details at that.
Armoured Titan
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Agree. And then there's lifting eternity which means what exactly? How does that even make sense?
And if eternity weighs infinity then how comes he doesn't make an infinite collision? See how much sense that makes?
Manmademan
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Not God
oh man. that was electric blue superman, too.
……forgetit
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The Silver
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the latter is an actual feat we can see, power levels are invisible completely arbitrary things that have no rhyme or reason to them.
It's also less that power levels are bullshit it's that you can't use them to say anything because of how DBZ is portrayed. The scale of the fights peaked during the Frieza fight, the problem is that despite them saying and us obviously knowing they became stronger since then, the fights look no different and they never do anything beyond planet busting.(which saiyan saga Vegeta could do)
On my old stomping grounds there was a dude that swore Electro Superman would kill Magneto.
Armoured Titan
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Composite Superman.....like this?
I'm talking about the one shown in this video. That Superman is featless anyway.
Composite Superman.....like this?
he ain't do shit, Resurrection 1 Million was more impressive.
Meh, boring. No I'm actually not being sarcastic here. This just strikes me as more overwrought melodrama. We all see painful things everyday, we all know that the world is full of suffering that we can do nothing about, and on a certain level it breaks everyones heart a little every day.
You see interesting, I see the ordinary. The core problem with Superman is that we rarely see him acting on needs, wants, desires, or ambitions. He acts as if it is his lot in life to be a suffering martyr for the good of all, and woke that note can work for awhile it gets oooold after so many decades.
Heck, while I refuse to try to delve too deeply into DC comics again, the recent de-powering of Superman has been the most interesting thing to happen to the character in a long time. Now at least he is given room to want, to desire, to feel insecurity and ambitions. It's not a huge improvement seeing as he still has a rather bland personality, but it's certainly better than what they had going before.
Gipsy Danger
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Superman has a bland personality? Hold me back.
SuperSonic1305
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Goku could beat superman!
But he couldn't beat superman #58264 who can end the universe with a sneeze.
These arguements are dumb
But he couldn't beat superman #58264 who can end the universe with a sneeze.
These arguements are dumb
Gipsy Danger
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He couldn't beat any Superman though. So the argument is dumb I guess.
flaxknuckles
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He couldn't beat any version of Superman except for the depowered ones. Goku needs to go sit his ass down somewhere and set his goal lower to beating up Cyborg or some other scrub.
Actually goku can beat several version of superman, the idea that he is is no on that level is wrong.
Goku would probably prefer the latter.
I think this is where most of the misconception comes from. The most popular media like the animated series is a case where Goku would win, but comic-wise, Superman wins.
Armoured Titan
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Even Supermans latest incarnation of Nu52 would lose to Goku.
One of his biggest flaws really that writers need to tackle. That's why Batman sells so much more in the same universe that its a joke. Superman's backstory is well engrained but maybe they could violate his fundamentals and actually make Superman work to get his super powers. That might make his character more interesting to read about..
Goku is nothing but another caricature of a being like Superman. But more exciting as we actually see Goku continually fail, struggle and overcome his opponents with spirited hard work. People relate more with stuff like that. But most of all, Goku gets personality.
Actually, I'm still not convinced Post Crisis beats Toei/Anime continuity of Goku, given fillers add some cosmic feats in DB.
I expected some stupid/fun 3D editor fighting video but they really are just discussing and seriously comparing two completely different fantasy universes for 20 minutes. Really?
Shamrock7r
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except that he wouldn't
Gipsy Danger
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Batman is a more interesting character there is no doubt about it. But saying Superman has a bland personality is a flat out lie. He is an incredibly interesting character. People who say he isn't don't read much of his books. All Star Superman is more interesting than anything in DBZ
Unless he means the currently depowered Supes, yeah...no.
But could he defeat 'Uber Saiyan' Goku.
Which is funny since Goku would just enjoy the fight.
Which is funny since Goku would just enjoy the fight.
And then ask if he could train with him.
Sir_Crocodile
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But could he defeat 'Uber Saiyan' Goku.
lol
ultimate saiyan evolution should be cousin it
You know, maybe, juuuuuuuuust maybe, all those people who say they find Superman boring are saying that for a reason. And maybe, juuuust maybe, that reason is that a lot of people find him boring.
I know, sounds crazy doesn't it! XD
Might as well just hand it over then.
Gipsy Danger
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In my experience these people don't know a thing about Superman outside of Man of Steel or the Dick Donner films. So it's an unfair judgement.
Shamrock7r
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They find him so boring they couldn't reference 1 comic book story involving Superman aside from "Death" and "Dark Knight Returns" because they never read any.
WrenchNinja
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No, it doesn't sound crazy. Just ignorant.
Armoured Titan
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Hold on. I'm sure his latest version is one of the weaker versions of Superman? This is a guy that was knocked out hitting the moon.
Hidden One
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Fuck Superman. He's fuckin boring.
Linkstrikesback
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So is goku. There's literally nothing to his character other than fighting people, at least from Z onwards.
At least abridged goku is kinda funny, but then DBZ abridged is better in every way than the source material, so...
Shamrock7r
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Actually, compared to DBZ, balance perfectly describes DC. Multiple JLA or DC universe stories involve different characters and different scenarios being the reason the villain loses. By the Frieza saga it was all the z fighters get their ass kicked until goku (and gohan one time) overpower the opponent
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