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Debt Ceiling Deal (OT) BOHICA

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Looks like Republicans are gonna get exactly what they want. Mcconnell was on Cnn acting like there wont be any tax adjustments just spending cuts, fuckers.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
Looks like Republicans are gonna get exactly what they want. Mcconnell was on Cnn acting like there wont be any tax adjustments just spending cuts, fuckers.
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This was a forgone conclusion from the start. Senates Dems can't pass a liberal alternative bill due to the broken nature of the Senate; Boehner is more concerned with keeping teabaggers happy than compromise; no Dem is willing to let the US default, but the GOP is; Obama took the 14th amendment route off the table. Dems was never going to win this.

Dems may get their "payback" with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts in 2012. But what's to stop the GOP from taking another critical piece of legislation hostage again? It's been a successful tactic so far.
 
Neo C. said:
Welp, I guess that's it for my generation. Not only we were fucked during 2008-2009, we won't get jobs in the next two years as well. And all this thanks to a bunch of insane people who voted some insane politicians who take the whole world as their hostage and are willing to kill it for some principles. [/rant]
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It fucking sucks for everyone who didn't have the foresight to major in engineering back in the early 00's and assumed that there would always be plenty of generic liberal arts major office jobs, as there were when our parents were growing up.

My dad is getting on my case about how it's taken me four weeks now with only one job interview in all that time. He reminds me that when he was my age, he was already a supervisor at a large company. Ugh. I wish there was a way to just go back in time 27 years and undo my conception.

It's such a horrible feeling to be a young guy in your late 20s who wants to work, who is even desperate to work, but can't find a job that isn't some soul-crushing pyramid scheme. Obviously things could be worse: we're not experiencing famine or genocide, but still, it's not a good time to be a young man looking for a mid entry-level job.


Edit: the fucking WORST is when you look at all your friends who got into the job market a year or two before the recession hit and held onto their jobs in the meantime. You get to watch them buying new cars and shit, getting engaged, really living their lives, and you know that the only difference between you and them is that they started a year earlier.
 
I thought I would pass on a funny little anecdote that this thread would enjoy.

I'm an Atheist (but my family doesn't know), so I am still stuck going to (Catholic) church with them every Sunday. During the priest's sermon, he was talking about how people "want it all", and "take more than they give". Then he throws this winner of a quote out there:

"Our government certainly is doing more taking than giving. We are $14 trillion in debt and they want to raise the debt ceiling! If your kid is in debt, you should tear up their credit cards."

There is not a facepalm image in the world capable of describing this.
 
Hylian7 said:
I thought I would pass on a funny little anecdote that this thread would enjoy.

I'm an Atheist (but my family doesn't know), so I am still stuck going to (Catholic) church with them every Sunday. During the priest's sermon, he was talking about how people "want it all", and "take more than they give". Then he throws this winner of a quote out there:

"Our government certainly is doing more taking than giving. We are $14 trillion in debt and they want to raise the debt ceiling! If your kid is in debt, you should tear up their credit cards."

There is not a facepalm image in the world capable of describing this.
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Just shows the fundamental misunderstanding people have about this whole thing.
 
Hylian7 said:
I thought I would pass on a funny little anecdote that this thread would enjoy.

I'm an Atheist (but my family doesn't know), so I am still stuck going to (Catholic) church with them every Sunday. During the priest's sermon, he was talking about how people "want it all", and "take more than they give". Then he throws this winner of a quote out there:

"Our government certainly is doing more taking than giving. We are $14 trillion in debt and they want to raise the debt ceiling! If your kid is in debt, you should tear up their credit cards."

There is not a facepalm image in the world capable of describing this.
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That's because he believes in Supply Side Jesus.
 
Hylian7 said:
I thought I would pass on a funny little anecdote that this thread would enjoy.

I'm an Atheist (but my family doesn't know), so I am still stuck going to (Catholic) church with them every Sunday. During the priest's sermon, he was talking about how people "want it all", and "take more than they give". Then he throws this winner of a quote out there:
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you know when I read something like this I wonder if all problems US facing last 10 years is due to some horrible social disease which isn't visible from outside and everybody inside tries to ignore. I mean religion sounds really perverted. It's just like some cult or another party you have to join. That's totally not what religion is about but if people percieve such state of things as right I wonder what's going on in their minds.
 
subversus said:
you know when I read something like this I wonder if all problems US facing last 10 years is due to some horrible social disease which isn't visible from outside and everybody inside tries to ignore. I mean religion sounds really perverted. It's just like some cult or another party you have to join. That's totally not what religion is about but if people percieve such state of things as right I wonder what's going on in their minds.
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That's part of my personal problem with the whole thing. The way it was taught in my family was pretty much "This is something everyone just does. There are no other options or choices." Obviously, this is why I'm afraid to tell them the truth.
 
Hylian7 said:
That's part of my personal problem with the whole thing. The way it was taught in my family was pretty much "This is something everyone just does. There are no other options or choices." Obviously, this is why I'm afraid to tell them the truth.
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are they norm among religious people? I read a lot of posts on GAF like "I'm afraid to tell my parents that I don't believe in Jesus". That's always sounds strange because religion should be voluntarily. You can't fake faith to yourself and if there's no faith then what's the point?

edit: it's sounds almost as strict as some Iranian stuff.
 
subversus said:
are they norm among religious people? I read a lot of posts on GAF like "I'm afraid to tell my parents that I don't believe in Jesus". That's always sounds strange because religion should be voluntarily. You can't fake faith to yourself and if there's no faith then what's the point?

edit: it's sounds almost as strict as some Iranian stuff.
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I guess you could say it's considered the norm, especially in the Catholic Church. It may also be partly where I live (Texas, right in the fucking Bible Belt). I agree that it is strange, and I really wish it was considered strange. My parents would probably never understand because they always wanted to raise Catholic children, etc. I have a friend in a similar situation as me, she hasn't told her family either, but one day she heard her sister tell her mother she didn't believe in God anymore and her mother threatened to kick her out of the house if she ever said anything like that again. Sadly this kind of thing is commonplace around here.
 
It's because they believe that you'll suffer in hell for eternity if you don't believe in Christ. What parent wants to believe that their own child is headed for everlasting torment? It's a pretty horrible thought, you have to admit.
 
Hylian7 said:
I guess you could say it's considered the norm, especially in the Catholic Church. It may also be partly where I live (Texas, right in the fucking Bible Belt). I agree that it is strange, and I really wish it was considered strange. My parents would probably never understand because they always wanted to raise Catholic children, etc. I have a friend in a similar situation as me, she hasn't told her family either, but one day she heard her sister tell her mother she didn't believe in God anymore and her mother threatened to kick her out of the house if she ever said anything like that again. Sadly this kind of thing is commonplace around here.
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that's scary. and I mean it. I wonder how her mother expects her to ever love God if she threatens to kick her out by his name... And you say that there's "a belt" where this is a norm? and it's not a norm in California or Maine?
 
Everyone on tv is getting all excited because a "deal is imminent", but the fact is the House still has to vote for this thing, and those 90 or so tea party people are going to shit all over this deal. Maybe Boehner can get them in line, but the guy had to radically modify his own bill just to get them to vote for it, and even then some didn't.
 
So at what time Tuesday does the shit hit the fan? There really should be a countdown website somewhere but I can't find it.
 
Puddles said:
It's because they believe that you'll suffer in hell for eternity if you don't believe in Christ. What parent wants to believe that their own child is headed for everlasting torment? It's a pretty horrible thought, you have to admit.
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well, her daughter won't believe in him anyway if there's a threat of being homeless. It's not a switch that you can't turn on and off. And if her mother was a believer herself she would understand how empty her threat is. It seems like those people think believing in God is just singing in the church on Sunday. Sing, contribute donations and you are part of the well-being that's God.

Ok.

anyway I'm surprised. and as I understand Tea Party supporters are located in this Bible belt?
 
See You Next Wednesday said:
Democrat caved in to all the Republican demands like a bunch of spineless cowards?

SHOCKING!!! WHO WOULD HAVE EVER EXPECTED THIS???
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Maybe they're leading by example and showing people how to compromise.

How did this turn into a discussion on religion?
 
ReBurn said:
Maybe they're leading by example and showing people how to compromise.

How did this turn into a discussion on religion?
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If a husband tells his wife that he's driving the car off a cliff unless he gets to watch six hours of football on Sunday WITHOUT doing the dishes like she asked, and she agrees because she really doesn't want to go over the cliff, is that really a compromise?
 
ReBurn said:
Maybe they're leading by example and showing people how to compromise.
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That's utterly stupid when the other side refuses to compromise even one nanometer of it's position. Compromise is what Neville Chamberlain did, and look what happened.
 
Where's that comic of the guy going "Well that's that." with the gun up to his head. It seems like the perfect image for the situation.
 
ReBurn said:
Maybe they're leading by example and showing people how to compromise.

How did this turn into a discussion on religion?
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That was my fault for making that post about what the priest at my family's church said about the debt ceiling. I didn't intend to derail the thread.

subversus said:
that's scary. and I mean it. I wonder how her mother expects her to ever love God if she threatens to kick her out by his name... And you say that there's "a belt" where this is a norm? and it's not a norm in California or Maine?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_belt

It definitely is scary. If you want to discuss this more over PM or in another thread, we can do that, since we are kind of derailing this one, lol.
 
RT @ChadPergram: Progressives and the CBC plan presser on Monday to ask Obama to invoke 14th Amendment to avoid debr crisis. 11 am.


Amazing
 
I wish DrForester made a gif of the situation using a movie clip. I'm thinking the Russian Roulette scene from Deer Hunter, Obama = DeNiro, Christopher Walken = Boehner and The MAO MAO MAO guy = Tea Party
 
I'm sooooooo pissed at Republicans right now. It's incredibly frustrating that no matter how much I rail or rant, people around here are still going to consider those assholes to be the savior's of the nation...
 
Unknown Soldier said:
That's utterly stupid when the other side refuses to compromise even one nanometer of it's position. Compromise is what Neville Chamberlain did, and look what happened.
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I don't know, I wouldn't have much respect for Obama if he decided to let the US default even if there was a slim chance to avoid it. If both parties in Congress get into some kind of vicious cycle of stubbornness our entire country would burn down.
 
Hylian7 said:
I guess you could say it's considered the norm, especially in the Catholic Church. It may also be partly where I live (Texas, right in the fucking Bible Belt). I agree that it is strange, and I really wish it was considered strange. My parents would probably never understand because they always wanted to raise Catholic children, etc. I have a friend in a similar situation as me, she hasn't told her family either, but one day she heard her sister tell her mother she didn't believe in God anymore and her mother threatened to kick her out of the house if she ever said anything like that again. Sadly this kind of thing is commonplace around here.
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That sounds pretty awful and a-Biblical. I went to a campus youth ministry in college for a few years, and one of our number decided he was an atheist. It made us sad, but we didn't start hating him, or bombarding him with... I don't know, arguments. I'm sure he had a discussion with the youth leaders, but he still attended our end of the year get to together, where we said bye to all the graduating seniors, (including myself.) It was a little awkward, but we still had a nice time.

I share this because I don't want anyone to get the idea that... those sorts of people... are what christianity is all about. It's a poor witness, but there it is.
 
I'm in the sorry state of actually hoping this piece of shit bill passes. My mother and grandmother really need their Social Security checks...
 
So no default? No fucking way! This was all a bunch of bullshit drama, there was no way in hell a default was happening by the August 2 date. It's coming in the future though, we're just going to increase our debt more and drive down the value of the dollar to prop up our bullshit wars and Wallstreet. Put your money back in stocks until that crashes and burns with the inevitable default in a few years.
 
Averon said:
It's not a done deal yet. The teabaggers are trying to scrub the deal because it touches defense.
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Good. Then dump the blame on them. I'm not advocating default, but I would take them to task, even as much as going on TV and explaining exactly what they are doing. Sadly, I have the feeling that Obama will take what he can get within reason.

Where is LBJ when you need him? He would have had the tea party coming out announcing they are raising taxes.
 
MiDNiGHTS said:
I don't know, I wouldn't have much respect for Obama if he decided to let the US default even if there was a slim chance to avoid it. If both parties in Congress get into some kind of vicious cycle of stubbornness our entire country would burn down.
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As opposed to one party stubborn and always getting what they want, and the other party never getting anything? We might as well not have an opposition party then, because that's a de-facto One-Party System!
 
Godslay said:
Good. Then dump the blame on them. I'm not advocating default, but I would take them to task, even as much as going on TV and explaining exactly what they are doing. Sadly, I have the feeling that Obama will take what he can get within reason.

Where is LBJ when you need him? He would have had the tea party coming out announcing they are raising taxes.
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The Talk wouldn't work today, not when the leverage from one-on-one negotiations and discussions pales in comparison to the leverage gained from spouting your bullshit on fox news and rush limbaugh.

They'd cower while talking to LBJ and then just run back and continue spouting the same bullshit on TV and on the senate/house floors.
 
GaimeGuy said:
The Talk wouldn't work today, not when the leverage from one-on-one negotiations and discussions pales in comparison to the leverage gained from spouting your bullshit on fox news and rush limbaugh.

They'd cower while talking to LBJ and then just run back and continue spouting the same bullshit on TV and on the senate/house floors.
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Not to mention he had large Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress while Obama could be stopped by any one Senator at any time using the new filibuster that has made a 51 seat majority one that's more for show and 60 seats the real majority.
 
MiDNiGHTS said:
Not to mention he had large Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress while Obama could be stopped by any one Senator at any time using the new filibuster that has made a 51 seat majority one that's more for show and 60 seats the real majority.
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It was more a play on his ability to negotiate with people. I understand that things have changed, but you can't deny that the man was a masterful negotiator. Anyways sorry to divert the conversation.
 
MiDNiGHTS said:
Not to mention he had large Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress while Obama could be stopped by any one Senator at any time using the new filibuster that has made a 51 seat majority one that's more for show and 60 seats the real majority.
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Our political system would be infinitely improved if we eliminated the filibuster and drastically changed primaries so that the top two vote getters get on the ballot, not the top person from each party
 
Gonaria said:
Our political system would be infinitely improved if we eliminated the filibuster and drastically changed primaries so that the top two vote getters get on the ballot, not the top person from each party
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The first part I agree with, the second part not so much. It eliminates any upsets, as rare as they are.
 
Puddles said:
If a husband tells his wife that he's driving the car off a cliff unless he gets to watch six hours of football on Sunday WITHOUT doing the dishes like she asked, and she agrees because she really doesn't want to go over the cliff, is that really a compromise?
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Huh?

Unknown Soldier said:
That's utterly stupid when the other side refuses to compromise even one nanometer of it's position. Compromise is what Neville Chamberlain did, and look what happened.
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I was joking.
 
Godslay said:
The first part I agree with, the second part not so much. It eliminates any upsets, as rare as they are.
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Any upsets? Not sure I understand. What it does help to reduce though, is candidates trying to appeal to radical nutjobs or nutjob radical candidates because a person who tries to court the moderate vote has a pretty good shot of winning it.
 
This cracks me up. Everyone throws shit at each other. Last minute arrives and finally they come to a deal and Obama takes credit while the republicans and democrats kiss each other's asses while the hardcore of each wing threatens to walk till that gun is placed in their backs during the vote.

Ah politics.
 
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