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[Quotient]

Who cares if a football player is arrogant or throws a tantrum, as long as he wins, that is what people want. I'm sure all the teams in the NFL would happily take a QB that wins them Championships and Super Bowls even if he is the biggest douche in the world.

 

[boiled goose]

Either way man, that was 7 years ago. He's had a lot of press conferences in 14 years. For the most part he talks like a robot.

Yup. To characterize Brady as particularly arrogant is certainly unfair, unless your brain processes information in an extremely biased way to fit with your preconceived notions.

confirmation bias, ain't it a bitch.

 

[Cornbread78]

Doesn't matter. Ref should have flagged his ass regardless, because anyone else would get flagged in that situation. Instead he stood there and took it like a bumbling dad trying to calm his 2-year-old down.

Flagged for complaining that a 15 yrd "Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty wasn't called? OK

 

[Vilam]

The guy's ability was historically ignored and questioned his whole life.

Which is why he's cheated throughout his career in a pathetic attempt to validate himself.

 

[Princess Carl]

We have a long way to go before we can match up with the Pats when it comes to breaking the rules. I'll give you guys the victory there.



It is arrogant. All he had to do was say, "If 17 points is enough to win the game, I'd be happy to score 17", but he put his ass out there by scoffing at the notion. Then he couldn't cash the check his mouth wrote. If they score 50 and blow the Giants out of the water, it's not a big deal, but they didn't.

Little bit of dismissal, little bit of denial, little bit of way too invested in this.

It's time to stop posting about this, take a couple steps back.

 

[ampere]

Yeah he yells at the refs and gets heated, but he does it because he wants to win and cares. He's real about things

He doesn't play the everyman card and then text his dick to reporters

 

[cdyhybrid]

I will need evidence on the fans too. Reality is not an opinion.
I need to see that Patriots fans are more bigoted than other fans. If they are, that is a good reason to dislike those individuals... the team? eh..
I'm trying to search for info. I'm not sure it is out there , but it might exist.

http://gawker.com/5946312/the-most-racist-city-in-america-boston

Have fun! But that's only part of the puzzle. You keep trying to disprove one part of the reason why I dislike them, but you're missing the point. Any one of those on their own wouldn't be worth hating so much. But everything put together? That's different.

Also, I'm not claiming Boston is the only racist city, because I'm positive someone will try and pull that card.

Again, I need evidence to validate your arrogance claim. You keep repeating the one quote over an over. Seems like you don't have much else....
Similarly I can't take your word for it for the racist claim. Your brain has shown severe issues with objectivity so... need data.

I don't need much else, to be honest, that press conference, throwing his tantrums when he doesn't get his way, and running up the score that year are all I need.

Either way man, that was 7 years ago. He's had a lot of press conferences in 14 years. For the most part he talks like a robot.

They asked why I think he's arrogant, and that's why. Not my problem if the answer doesn't satisfy them.

Flagged for complaining that a 15 yrd "Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty penalty wasn't called? OK

Irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. Yes, if he got kneed or whatever the refs should have thrown that flag. But getting up in the refs face and screaming should also be a flag, and it is - unless you're Tom Brady.

Little bit of dismissal, little bit of denial, little bit of way too invested in this.

It's time to stop posting about this, take a couple steps back.

I'm just answering the questions being asked of me. Again, you not liking the answer doesn't make it less valid, especially when it comes to something as subjective and nebulous as "Why do you hate this team?"

 

[MIMIC]

I guess what i am asking for is explicit confirmation that the balls were checked for pressure, and perhaps a report of what that pressure was, and not a cursory inspection - the NBC report stated that many times the referees would just visually inspect the balls and not verify pressure.

I think it can be inferred that they used a pressure gauge. They stated that the standard was 12.5 - 13.5, and that the standard was confirmed before the game. How else would you confirm that the balls was between 12.5 and 13.5? A "cursory inspection" is not confirmation of a specific pressure standard.

Additionally, the statement goes on to say that the balls were "properly inflated" at halftime and "remained properly inflated" without explicitly confirming that the balls were checked for pressure. I think it's reasonable to infer that they used a pressure gauge then, too.

EDIT: And even if a "cursory inspection" was done, the balls certainly didn't meet the standard during the half. If they "feel fine" before the game, and then substantially don't feel fine at the half, then it probably means that they were tampered with at some point after the inspection.

 

[Various Artists]

Vilam and Hybrid need to get together and spoon and whisper sweat nothings into eachothers ears about much they hate the Patriots.

 

[boiled goose]

http://gawker.com/5946312/the-most-racist-city-in-america-boston

Have fun! But that's only part of the puzzle. You keep trying to disprove one part of the reason why I dislike them, but you're missing the point. Any one of those on their own wouldn't be worth hating so much. But everything put together? That's different.

Also, I'm not claiming Boston is the only racist city, because I'm positive someone will try and pull that card.

I don't need much else, to be honest, that press conference, throwing his tantrums when he doesn't get his way, and running up the score that year are all I need.

They asked why I think he's arrogant, and that's why. Not my problem if the answer doesn't satisfy them.

Irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. Yes, if he got kneed or whatever the refs should have thrown that flag. But getting up in the refs face and screaming should also be a flag, and it is - unless you're Tom Brady.

I'm just answering the questions being asked of me. Again, you not liking the answer doesn't make it less valid, especially when it comes to something as subjective and nebulous as "Why do you hate this team?"

The gawker piece while interesting, is not really hard data, but to be fair, I'll let it slide because it is at least 'something' that could amount to a reason to dislike the city.

You are not getting it on the rest of the points though. Invalid reason + invalid reason + invalid reason =/= Valid reason!

You have given us reasons behind your perspective which while enlightening as to how your brain works, don't really carry enough weight to justify your perspective to others. It has basically boiled down to 'because I think so'.

It seems we have exhausted this issue, so we can probably move on...

 

[cdyhybrid]

The gawker piece while interesting, is not really hard data, but to be fair, I'll let it slide because it is at least 'something' that could amount to a reason to dislike the city.

You are not getting it on the rest of the points though. Invalid reason + invalid reason + invalid reason =/= Valid reason!

You have given us reasons behind your perspective which while enlightening as to how your brain works, don't really carry enough weight to justify your perspective to others. It has basically boiled down to 'because I think so'.

It seems we have exhausted this issue, so we can probably move on...

This is the heart of our disconnect. You think the reasons are invalid. I do not.

I'm not trying to justify it to anyone. You wanted to know why I thought that way, and I told you.

 

[Princess Carl]

http://gawker.com/5946312/the-most-racist-city-in-america-boston




I'm just answering the questions being asked of me. Again, you not liking the answer doesn't make it less valid, especially when it comes to something as subjective and nebulous as "Why do you hate this team?"

Well in the context of deflate gate, it means you are hella biased so its silly to see you keep fighting this "fight".

In the context of why you hate the Pats? I misquoted you and I am every so sorry. You keep hating whoever you like!

 

[boiled goose]

This is the heart of our disconnect. You think the reasons are invalid. I do not.

I'm not trying to justify it to anyone. You wanted to know why I thought that way, and I told you.

And like I said, you gave your reasons and thanks for that. You also acknowledge that they might not be justifiable to others which is fine. We agree on that.

Whether the reasons are valid in an objective sense is not a matter of opinion though. So while there might be valid reasons, you have not presented them, which like I said would not be trivial, so it is fine. At the very least you have to understand why they are not particularly convincing.

Your claim before was: 'there are reasons lots of people hate the Patriots other than jealousy'
Now you have backed up to: 'it is too subjective'

My stance has always been that the hatred is (largely) irrational and unmerited.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Well in the context of deflate gate, it means you are hella biased so its silly to see you keep fighting this "fight".

In the context of why you hate the Pats? I misquoted you and I am every so sorry. You keep hating whoever you like!

Haha, I'm not keeping up any fight. I'm just posting because I find the conversation interesting. It's not that serious.

And like I said, you gave your reasons and thanks for that. You also acknowledge that they might not be justifiable to others which is fine. We agree on that.

Whether the reasons are valid in an objective sense is not a matter of opinion though. So while there might be valid reasons, you have not presented them, which like I said would not be trivial, so it is fine. At the very least you have to understand why they are not particularly convincing.

For one thing, this isn't science, law, or investigative journalism, it's sports fandom - objectivity is not necessary.

As for the rest of the post:

You asked why I thought Boston had some racism issues, so I posted race-related incidents that happened in Boston.

You asked why I thought Brady was arrogant (a subjective thing itself, honestly), so I posted an example of him being arrogant.

You asked why I thought Brady threw temper tantrums, and I posted 3 .gifs of him throwing temper tantrums.

I honestly don't know what else you're looking for at this point.

 

[boiled goose]

Haha, I'm not keeping up any fight. I'm just posting because I find the conversation interesting. It's not that serious.



For one thing, this isn't science, law, or investigative journalism, it's sports fandom - objectivity is not necessary.

As for the rest of the post:
You asked why I thought Boston had some racism issues, so I posted race-related incidents that happened in Boston.
You asked why I thought Brady was arrogant (a subjective thing itself, honestly), so I posted an example of him being arrogant.
You asked why I thought Brady threw temper tantrums, and I posted 3 .gifs of him throwing temper tantrums.
I honestly don't know what else you're looking for at this point.

I agree objectivity is not 'necessary' but your initial stance was that there were valid reasons to your attitudes. It is ok if you don't have any. Totally cool.

I left the race-related article silde because at the very least it was an article so you made an effort there. Totally cool.

The gifs though... as pointed out many many times. They are not particularly strong as evidence because they are isolated incidents so it is not clear what the big picture is. If you hate tom brady because of those specific incidents, then it is fine though. We can move on.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Haha, I'm not keeping up any fight. I'm just posting because I find the conversation interesting. It's not that serious.



For one thing, this isn't science, law, or investigative journalism, it's sports fandom - objectivity is not necessary.

As for the rest of the post:

You asked why I thought Boston had some racism issues, so I posted race-related incidents that happened in Boston.

You asked why I thought Brady was arrogant (a subjective thing itself, honestly), so I posted an example of him being arrogant.

You asked why I thought Brady threw temper tantrums, and I posted 3 .gifs of him throwing temper tantrums.

I honestly don't know what else you're looking for at this point.

Jesus christ I thought my Denver hate was irrational. This is some next level shit right here.

 

[darkazcura]

http://gawker.com/5946312/the-most-racist-city-in-america-boston

Have fun! But that's only part of the puzzle. You keep trying to disprove one part of the reason why I dislike them, but you're missing the point. Any one of those on their own wouldn't be worth hating so much. But everything put together? That's different.

Also, I'm not claiming Boston is the only racist city, because I'm positive someone will try and pull that card.

I've seen that gawker article posted here before. It's honestly a terrible article with barely anything of substance relative to modern day Boston. The only valid examples in that article are related to Bill Russell, the Red Sox, and the bus riots...all of which occurred 35+ years agos. Boston is nothing like that anymore in the majority of the city.

The Bruins examples were backtracked and shown to not even be by Boston residents, lol. Such a silly, terrible article.

I agree objectivity is not 'necessary' but your initial stance was that there were valid reasons to your attitudes. It is ok if you don't have any. Totally cool.

I left the race-related article silde because at the very least it was an article so you made an effort there. Totally cool.

The gifs though... as pointed out many many times. They are not particularly strong as evidence because they are isolated incidents so it is not clear what the big picture is. If you hate tom brady because of those specific incidents, then it is fine though. We can move on.

I wouldn't even give him credit for that article either. Most if not all of those examples occurred at a time when the whole country was suffering through massive race issues. Might as well hate on the whole country at that point, which is fine if he does, but I doubt he does. Anyone who posts that article clearly has little experience with the area anyway and knows relatively nothing about it (probably).

 

[jerd]

This story just keeps on giving

 

[Beefy]

Jesus christ I thought my Denver hate was irrational. This is some next level shit right here.

I thought some football (English football) fans were bad.

 

[boiled goose]

I've seen that gawker article posted here before. It's honestly a terrible article with barely anything of substance relative to modern day Boston. The only valid examples in that article are related to Bill Russell, the Red Sox, and the bus riots...all of which occurred 35+ years agos. Boston is nothing like that anymore in the majority of the city.

The Bruins examples were backtracked and shown to not even be by Boston residents, lol. Such a silly, terrible article.



I wouldn't even give him credit for that article either. Anyone who posts that article clearly has little experience with the area anyway and knows relatively nothing about it.

I have lived in Boston and would disagree with the article as well. That said, I really don't know which team has the most racist fans. I'd be legitimately curious.
Gave him credit for trying to post something a bit less silly than a gif. hahaha.

 

[Quotient]

This story just keeps on giving

I LOVE IT.

 

[Quotient]

I have lived in Boston and would disagree with the article as well. That said, I really don't know which team has the most racist fans. I'd be legitimately curious.
Gave him credit for trying to post something a bit less silly than a gif. hahaha.

Let get back on topic talking about Brady's balls!

 

[cdyhybrid]

I agree objectivity is not 'necessary' but your initial stance was that there were valid reasons to your attitudes. It is ok if you don't have any. Totally cool.

I left the race-related article silde because at the very least it was an article so you made an effort there. Totally cool.

The gifs though... as pointed out many many times. They are not particularly strong as evidence because they are isolated incidents so it is not clear what the big picture is. If you hate tom brady because of those specific incidents, then it is fine though. We can move on.

They're strong enough for me, and a Pats fan telling me they think otherwise isn't going to change my opinion - that's all I'm saying. All my reasons are valid to me, and a Pats fan thinking otherwise is not going to change my mind on that.

Jesus christ I thought my Denver hate was irrational. This is some next level shit right here.

I dunno, seems fine to me. A lot less reasons to hate the Broncos from my point of view.

I've seen that gawker article posted here before. It's honestly a terrible article with barely anything of substance relative to modern day Boston. The only valid examples in that article are related to Bill Russell, the Red Sox, and the bus riots...all of which occurred 35+ years agos. Boston is nothing like that anymore in the majority of the city.

The Bruins examples were backtracked and shown to not even be by Boston residents, lol. Such a silly, terrible article.



I wouldn't give him credit for that article either. Anyone who posts that article clearly as little experience with the area anyway and knows relatively nothing about it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4289/black-athletes-have-long-seen-boston-as-racist

 

[Quotient]

cdyhybrid, I really don't know what you are arguing about now, that Boston is racist, every US city has a history of racism to them, have you every been to the south?

 

[darkazcura]

They're strong enough for me, and a Pats fan telling me they think otherwise isn't going to change my opinion - that's all I'm saying. All my reasons are valid to me, and a Pats fan thinking otherwise is not going to change my mind on that.



I dunno, seems fine to me. A lot less reasons to hate the Broncos from my point of view.



http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4289/black-athletes-have-long-seen-boston-as-racist

From your article:

He also found players like Al Jefferson who wonder what all the fuss is about.

 

[cdyhybrid]

cdyhybrid, I really don't know what you are arguing about now, that Boston is racist, every US city has a history of racism to them, have you every been to the south?

I've explained this multiple times.

I said that Boston's past incidents (which I outright stated are not unique to that city) COMBINED with everything else is why I hate them more than other sports cities.

Then a bunch of people tried to discredit the various reasons I listed - which I disagreed with, and explained why. So that's why we've been going back and forth.

From your article:

I never claimed everyone in Boston is racist, feel free to quote that post when you find it.

I have no doubt that there are people that never experienced it, I never claimed otherwise.

 

[Quotient]

I've explained this multiple times.

I said that Boston's past incidents (which I outright stated are not unique to that city) COMBINED with everything else is why I hate them more than other sports cities.

Then a bunch of people tried to discredit the various reasons I listed - which I disagreed with, and explained why. So that's why we've been going back and forth.

Fair enough.

I don't think i have ever hated a city, i dislike some cities, like LA, but has more to do with traffic, then the people and sports teams.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Fair enough.

I don't think i have ever hated a city, i dislike some cities, like LA, but has more to do with traffic, then the people and sports teams.

I don't hate the city in the sense of a piece of land/buildings/etc. I hate it as a hub of sports.

 

[Tragicomedy]

little bit of way too invested in this.

It's time to stop posting about this, take a couple steps back.

This the second (or third?) time you've said someone is way too invested in this.

It's time to stop posting, and take a couple of steps back.

 

[shaowebb]

Not like they'll get kicked outta the Superbowl.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I don't hate the city in the sense of a piece of land/buildings/etc. I hate it as a hub of sports.

you jelly that Boston has been so successful the past decade?

 

[teruterubozu]

http://gawker.com/5946312/the-most-racist-city-in-america-boston

Have fun! But that's only part of the puzzle. You keep trying to disprove one part of the reason why I dislike them, but you're missing the point. Any one of those on their own wouldn't be worth hating so much. But everything put together? That's different.

Also, I'm not claiming Boston is the only racist city, because I'm positive someone will try and pull that card.

Gawker is on a quest to determine the most racist city in America. Your contributions are vital to the cause. Please add your insights in the discussion system below. Or if you'd like to nominate another city please send an email here. Today...Boston, Mass.

WTF? This isn't even a study or proper methodology. What sensationalist crap.

 

[Derpyduck]

I don't hate the city in the sense of a piece of land/buildings/etc. I hate it as a hub of sports.

So it boils down to you being jealous of them. Got it. You're just like every other irrational salt-filled sports fan in the world.

 

[cdyhybrid]

you jelly that Boston has been so successful the past decade?

Nope, I only follow about football and basketball. I'd rather have the current Hawks than the current Pats for reasons already outlined, and I don't have a pro basketball team anymore so I couldn't give two shits about the NBA.

Baseball sucks, and we don't have a hockey team so I don't care about the NHL right now either.

WTF? This isn't even a study or proper methodology. What sensationalist crap.

They link to things that actually happened in the article. That's why I posted it.

So it boils down to you being jealous of them. Got it. You're just like every other irrational salt-filled sports fan in the world.

And this is why I hate Boston. Their fans cannot comprehend the fact that there are reasons to dislike something other than jealousy.

 

[teruterubozu]

You posted it cuz you hate Boston.

 

[cdyhybrid]

You posted it cuz you hate Boston.

Because they wanted to know why I hated Boston.

 

[boiled goose]

I love being a Boston Sports fan, especially recently.

Awesome Celtics History and a championship in 2008 after being DFL.
Red Sox World Series 2004, 2007, 2013
Patriots generally rocking the house, Superbowls wins 2001, 2004, 2005, appearances 2008, 2012, 2015
Even the Bruins won in 2011

Can't complain really. I don't understand why anyone could hate the Boston sports scene other than jealously. ;P

 

[Simply Sarah]

I love being a Boston Sports fan, especially recently.

Awesome Celtics History and a championship in 2008 after being DFL.
Red Sox World Series 2004, 2007, 2013
Patriots generally rocking the house, Superbowls wins 2001, 2004, 2005, appearances 2008, 2012, 2015
Even the Bruins won in 2011

Can't complain really. I don't understand why anyone could hate the Boston sports scene other than jealously. ;P

Don't forget the Revolution having been the Jim Kelly Buffalo Bills of MLS.

 

[Various Artists]

I love being a Boston Sports fan, especially recently.

Awesome Celtics History and a championship in 2008 after being DFL.
Red Sox World Series 2004, 2007, 2013
Patriots generally rocking the house, Superbowls wins 2001, 2004, 2005, appearances 2008, 2012, 2015
Even the Bruins won in 2011

Can't complain really. I don't understand why anyone could hate the Boston sports scene other than jealously. ;P

True dat. Winningest city of the current millennia.

 

[jWILL253]

I just want to point out that just because there are players coming out saying that ball pressure tampering is common, doesn't make it okay.

Remember all those players that said bounties were fairly common and that nothing was wrong with them during the Bountygate scandal? Didn't stop the league from taking action.

 

[bob_arctor]

This thread disgusts me. Except for cdy. He's fine.

 

[ampere]

Don't forget the Revolution having been the Jim Kelly Buffalo Bills of MLS.

Keep losing to an LA team too... Ugh.

Not a huge soccer fan personally, but my dad and brother follow the Revolution

 

[boiled goose]

I just want to point out that just because there are players coming out saying that ball pressure tampering is common, doesn't make it okay.

Remember all those players that said bounties were fairly common and that nothing was wrong with them during the Bountygate scandal? Didn't stop the league from taking action.

I agree.
If the balls were under they should be punished.
If the balls were under on purpose but refs checked them an okayed them, they should be punished a bit more.
If the balls were presented as ok and then deflated, they should be punished even more.

For now it seems like it is either the first or second scenarios, which are not as bad as the third one. If it is prevalent, league should take steps to fix it.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I agree.
If the balls were under they should be punished.
If the balls were under on purpose but refs checked them an okayed them, they should be punished a bit more.
If the balls were presented as ok and then deflated, they should be punished even more.

For now it seems like it is either the first or second scenarios, which are not as bad as the third one. If it is prevalent, league should take steps to fix it.

I think they should change the rule regardless. It was silly in the first place. Have the league provide all the balls. I think they can afford it.

 

[Derpyduck]

And this is why I hate Boston. Their fans cannot comprehend the fact that there are reasons to dislike something other than jealousy.

Yeah yeah your hatred of a city is for totally rational reasons, I'm sure. Much like the Republicans hatred for France.

 

[braves01]

The ESPN poll right now is 50/50 about whether the Patriots' success is "tainted" because of this. Interesting to see how opinion breaks down.

Spoiler

I don't think it's a big deal

 

[boiled goose]

I think they should change the rule regardless. It was silly in the first place. Have the league provide all the balls. I think they can afford it.

Most def.

 

[Lothars]

Yeah yeah your hatred of a city is for totally rational reasons, I'm sure. Much like the Republicans hatred for France.

nope the dislike of Boston and area is the terrible fans in the NFL and nhl.

It's a nice city but the fans are terrible.

I love being a Boston Sports fan, especially recently.

Awesome Celtics History and a championship in 2008 after being DFL.
Red Sox World Series 2004, 2007, 2013
Patriots generally rocking the house, Superbowls wins 2001, 2004, 2005, appearances 2008, 2012, 2015
Even the Bruins won in 2011

Can't complain really. I don't understand why anyone could hate the Boston sports scene other than jealously. ;P

I don't hate all of Boston teams but the Patriots are a team that constantly cheats and has a legacy that will be tainted by the cheating. The bruins are a bunch of goons and have nothing good to say about them and the fans are pretty bad as well.

Celtics and red sox are fine, nothing against them.

It's not jealousy just well deserved disdain of the fans and teams with how they act.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

#WeArePatriots

 

[cdyhybrid]

#WeArePatriots