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#DEFLATEGATE: Goodell never had any balls

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Pepiope said:
This is the NFL you're talking about. They used the right gauge, and it was checked, as it has already been reported. That's why no one is bringing up those scenarios, because they don't exist. On the other hand, you have a QB who admittedly likes his football a certain way, but now that the balls were found to be under-inflated, he cannot tell the difference.
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How do you know they used the right gauge? The only word so far is that the balls were checked before the game. I don't think we know that the actual pressure in each ball was sufficiently checked (as opposed to someone just picking them up, squeezing them, and then signing off on them). And knowing that the ball has about 15% less pressure in it when you're at the line of scrimmage trying to read defensive coverage in the rain with your adrenaline going maybe isn't as easy to notice for most people as it apparently would be for you.

DragonSworne said:
Why were the Colts balls not affected?
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Because they brought their own balls? And even if they didn't, each team would have their own equipment.
 
JinjoUnchained said:
Not trying to offend you here, but when I hear things like this, I wonder if it comes from people who have actually played competitive team sports. Maybe you have, I don't know.

But when you're on a team playing in a league, there's many important things to keep track of and only so much space in your brain to do it. It's not good for your team or your effort if you're trying to execute on the floor and obsessing over minor details that are not going to effect the outcome. Instead, you want to be well prepared, but be loose and free while executing the actual game plan (matchups, assignments, plays), but not dwelling on it to where it screws up your response time.

I'm definitely not going out there on game day and obsessing over whether the ball feels ever so slightly light or heavy. Maybe throw or dribble it a bit pregame to make sure it feels good in general. If something's up with the ball during the game then you get a new one and move on.

That's how sports are actually played on the field, anyway. It's different talking about it from your couch.
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Never football, but I played baseball competitively and I've always micromanaged everything before gametime, though I'm not sure what relevance that has here.
 
BobLoblaw said:
Statements like this from people like you are what's prolonging it. Everyone (i.e. most people that hate the Patriots or has something against Boston or whatever) are convinced that Brady/Belichick/the Patriots organization are lying when they don't have a single shred of proof. It's like a witch hunt at this point.

It's possible that the deflation could've been based on the temperature of the air pressure used and where the balls were stored or it could be that someone used the wrong gauge when filling up the balls or even that the pressure in the balls was just never checked by anyone. None of those scenarios are even brought up because it seems like most people just assume that someone is lying. It's ridiculous.
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Do you think basically everyone on ESPN hates the Patriots? Do you think Troy Aikman just wants to fling shit at Tom Brady? Come on, dude. The proof is in the pudding -- the balls were deflated. When a kid has chocolate smeared all over their fingertips and the cookies are gone, do you figure they didn't steal cookies just because you don't have video evidence of them literally pulling the cookies out of the jar?

Everybody with any common sense at all, and isn't wearing Patriots fan blinders, knows at that Brady at the very least knew the balls were deflated while playing with them. Considering equipment managers are paid to keep the balls exactly as the QB wants them, Brady almost certainly knew they would be that way. And considering this isn't the first time the issue has come up with Brady and deflated balls in particular (the Colts and Ravens suspected it and reported to the NFL earlier than the AFC Championship game), it would be the height of gullibility to think that Brady and the Patriots had "no idea" that the balls were being deflated.

Throwing a football is Brady's livelihood. You're telling me he doesn't know the difference? Come the fuck on.
 
Pepiope said:
Never football, but I played baseball competitively and I've always micromanaged everything before gametime, though I'm not sure what relevance that has here.
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I bring it up because it was Brady's defense. Everyone's getting in him like "I don't believe he didn't know about the PSI because I assume the QB was obsessively micromanaging a million things pregame" That's not how competitive team sports work in general, to my understanding. It may be different player to player and sport to sport. But when Brady says that all he did was feel them and that they "felt good", that sounds exactly like every competitive game I've ever played in. "Where's game ball? Let me try it out for a second. Cool, feels good to me". That's exactly what it's like because you're trying to stay loose. It's a very quick process before tip off.

So people getting on him about not getting out a fucking scale for the ball when he's trying to remember all of the plays before the game sound like armchair QBs to me.
 
timetokill said:
Do you think basically everyone on ESPN hates the Patriots? Do you think Troy Aikman just wants to fling shit at Tom Brady? Come on, dude.

Everybody with any common sense at all, and isn't wearing Patriots fan blinders, knows at that Brady at the very least knew the balls were deflated while playing with them. Considering equipment managers are paid to keep the balls exactly as the QB wants them, Brady almost certainly knew they would be that way. And considering this isn't the first time the issue has come up with Brady and deflated balls in particular (the Colts and Ravens suspected it and reported to the NFL earlier than the AFC Championship game), it would be the height of gullibility to think that Brady and the Patriots had "no idea" that the balls were being deflated.

Throwing a football is Brady's livelihood. You're telling me he doesn't know the difference? Come the fuck on.
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People don't know how to read it seems. The Ravens were concerned over the kicking balls which are completely separate from the normal balls. The Colts were the ones only concerned about the offensive balls.
 
timetokill said:
Throwing a football is Brady's livelihood. You're telling me he doesn't know the difference? Come the fuck on.
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Temperature absolutely is a factor here though. I believe the balls are filled and tested at room temperature, and there PSI absolutely will change with the outdoor temp. So you are assuming that Brady would know the difference from whether the difference in the ball is from a temp change or from tampering. Also keep in mind when playing in cold conditions with that effecting ones hands they may also be less likely to notice.

If this happened in a dome, I too might find his claim preposterous as there the balls should be the same at prep and gametime, but in an outdoor stadium they are going to change to some degree.
 
timetokill said:
Do you think basically everyone on ESPN hates the Patriots? Do you think Troy Aikman just wants to fling shit at Tom Brady? Come on, dude.

Everybody with any common sense at all, and isn't wearing Patriots fan blinders, knows at that Brady at the very least knew the balls were deflated while playing with them. Considering equipment managers are paid to keep the balls exactly as the QB wants them, Brady almost certainly knew they would be that way. And considering this isn't the first time the issue has come up with Brady and deflated balls in particular (the Colts and Ravens suspected it and reported to the NFL earlier than the AFC Championship game), it would be the height of gullibility to think that Brady and the Patriots had "no idea" that the balls were being deflated.

Throwing a football is Brady's livelihood. You're telling me he doesn't know the difference? Come the fuck on.
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Have you considered it was a cold and wet night game? Perhaps Brady's hand were more numb than usual. For every point someone here makes there's a perfectly plausible counterpoint.
 
Futureman said:
why did the cold weather deflate 92% of the Pats balls and 0% of the Colts though?
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The Colts balls could have been at max PSI, all the NFL said is that there is a range of PSI. They have not said that all the balls from both teams are measured at the same PSI only that there is a range. The NFL needs to say what their procedures are or this is just going to continue as the rule itself is vague and doesn't factor in the small pressure loss from cold temperatures.
 
Big-E said:
People don't know how to read it seems. The Ravens were concerned over the kicking balls which are completely separate from the normal balls. The Colts were the ones only concerned about the offensive balls.
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They were concerned about the Pats tampering with balls. They were concerned about cheating.
 
BaltimoreLarry said:
They were concerned about the Pats tampering with balls. They were concerned about cheating.
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Kicking balls are entirely different and all the kicking balls come from the same pool so they shared the balls. The whole Brady did it narrative does not fly with the kicking balls.
 
timetokill said:
Do you think basically everyone on ESPN hates the Patriots? Do you think Troy Aikman just wants to fling shit at Tom Brady? Come on, dude.

Everybody with any common sense at all, and isn't wearing Patriots fan blinders, knows at that Brady at the very least knew the balls were deflated while playing with them. Considering equipment managers are paid to keep the balls exactly as the QB wants them, Brady almost certainly knew they would be that way. And considering this isn't the first time the issue has come up with Brady and deflated balls in particular (the Colts and Ravens suspected it and reported to the NFL earlier than the AFC Championship game), it would be the height of gullibility to think that Brady and the Patriots had "no idea" that the balls were being deflated.

Throwing a football is Brady's livelihood. You're telling me he doesn't know the difference? Come the fuck on.
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Why people keep bringing up misinformation? The RAVENS headcoach said the his team didnt noticed anything suspicius with the footballs used by the patriots, only the kicking balls that are provided and hadled by the NFL, do you think Harbaugh wouldnt had been calling out that? When he was complaining about an eligible receiver in that game?

Also the COLTS player that intercepted the ball also said he didnt noticed anything wrong with the ball.

My problem with all this media circus is the amount of sensationalism and opinions passed as fact by alot of the news outlet, GAF here hates Fox news, but for some reason are not paying attention that some sports news outlet (especifically ESPN) are acting just like fox news.
 
Weather likely did not deflate footballs from 12.5 to 10.5 PSI. But it wasn't clear if the refs actually checked PSI in their inspection or just did a pat down like that ball boy story talked about.
 
BaltimoreLarry said:
They were concerned about the Pats tampering with balls. They were concerned about cheating.
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Were they as concerned about cheating when Ngata was suspended for PEDs a few weeks earlier? Should the Ravens give back all the wins accumulated last season?

After all, we need to be concerned about the integrity of our fair game.
 
Big-E said:
Kicking balls are entirely different and all the kicking balls come from the same pool so they shared the balls. The whole Brady did it narrative does not fly with the kicking balls.
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Is that the narrative now? I was going with the a narrative of "The Patriots are an underhanded franchise which condones cheating."
 
Caja 117 said:
Why people keep bringing up misinformation? The RAVENS headcoach said the his team didnt noticed anything suspicius with the footballs used by the patriots, only the kicking balls that are provided and hadled by the NFL, do you think Harbaugh wouldnt had been calling out that? When he was complaining about an eligible receiver in that game?

Also the COLTS player that intercepted the ball also said he didnt noticed anything wrong with the ball.

My problem with all this media circus is the amount of sensationalism and opinions passed as fact by alot of the news outlet, GAF here hates Fox news, but for some reason are not paying attention that some sports news outlet (especifically ESPN) are acting just like fox news.
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I brought up the Ravens simply because they noted a problem with ball inflation against the Patriots. I didn't say it had anything to do with a specific ball or that it was Tom Brady in particular in that case. As if the issue is with Tom Brady alone in this case anyway.

I also didn't say the Colts player that intercepted the ball said anything. Their equipment manager, whom he handed the ball to, did notice. It makes sense that a defensive player who caught the ball and had it for a few seconds at most might not notice. A QB who is particular about how he likes his footballs not noticing is completely ridiculous.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Have you considered it was a cold and wet night game? Perhaps Brady's hand were more numb than usual. For every point someone here makes there's a perfectly plausible counterpoint.
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What about the fact it was an unusually warm night? Or, that Brady has played in the same spot for 13 years and has played in the cold and wet there 30-40 times minimum?

Also, the balls have to be within spec at all times. If the colts equipment manager noticed they were deflated then surely the pats one would have too and reinflated them to be within the rules as is his job?
 
Maxim726X said:
Were they as concerned about cheating when Ngata was suspended for PEDs a few weeks earlier? Should the Ravens give back all the wins accumulated last season?

After all, we need to be concerned about the integrity of our fair game.
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Hilarious seeing Pats fans twist themselves in knots trying to defend this. As if the Patriots get any fucking benefit of the doubt given their history. And as if Brady and Belichick didn't know exactly what was going on? Yeah right.
 
timetokill said:
I brought up the Ravens simply because they noted a problem with ball inflation against the Patriots. I didn't say it had anything to do with a specific ball or that it was Tom Brady in particular in that case. As if the issue is with Tom Brady alone in this case anyway.

I also didn't say the Colts player that intercepted the ball said anything. Their equipment manager, whom he handed the ball to, did notice. It makes sense that a defensive player who caught the ball and had it for a few seconds at most might not notice. A QB who is particular about how he likes his footballs not noticing is completely ridiculous.
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But the Ravens concern on a neutral football has no bearing over what its been investigated, and the report said that the Ravens tiped off the colts on Pats footballs and the Colts defensive player we are talking about, appeared in the original report as the one who noticed this.

Im not talking about if Brady did noticed or not (i believe he did) im talking about incorrect information in original News report that now have turn into facts in the public eye, and that is concerning.
 
Link said:
Hilarious seeing Pats fans twist themselves in knots trying to defend this. As if the Patriots get any fucking benefit of the doubt given their history. And as if Brady and Belichick didn't know exactly what was going on? Yeah right.
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Hilarious seeing Pats anti-fans jumping on one of the most overblown "controversies" in the history of the sport so they can say that everything the Pats do means that no titles count and Brady is a bust and Belichick should get the death penalty, etc etc.

I say this as a Chiefs fan. This whole thing is stupid. Fine the team, possibly suspend Belichick for a few games next season, and move on.
 
Maxim726X said:
And the Patriots will be punished. But for some reason, I have a feeling it won't be harsh enough for the haters.

Just fucking stop with the 'team x doesn't tolerate cheating!'

Ngata is still a Raven, yes?
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Boo hoo. Fans are definitely more obnoxious than "haters." Haters can be trolling, but fans take it to another level like the team is part of their immediate family.

Sports culture in a nutshell.
 
Link said:
Hilarious seeing Pats fans twist themselves in knots trying to defend this. As if the Patriots get any fucking benefit of the doubt given their history. And as if Brady and Belichick didn't know exactly what was going on? Yeah right.
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It's actually because of their history and how they acted under the previous instance that I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here.
 
Big-E said:
So if the Patriots are found accountable then they should just pay the 25 thousand dollar fine and can be done with it right
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Absolutely! I don't think the penalty will be much of anything, but a penalty will be a declaration of guilt. Pats will be guilty of cheating, again. Then, all of the fans will be forced to own the fact they support a franchise of habitual cheaters. Them we're done with it.
 
hucast21 said:
Boo hoo. Fans are definitely more obnoxious than "haters." Haters can be trolling, but fans take it to another level like the team is part of their immediate family.

Sports culture in a nutshell.
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Psst I'm a Giants fan. Just calling out the endless fucking bitching and moaning, like someone got away with murder*

*Sorry, we're not talking about the Ravens
 
Maxim726X said:
Psst I'm a Giants fan. Just calling out the endless fucking bitching and moaning, like someone got away with murder*

*Sorry, we're not talking about the Ravens
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I don't watch football save for the Super Bowl, but the mental gymnastics that Pats fans have demonstrated in this thread is hilarious.

I don't understand why the Pats fanbase or anyone else, seem to point out what other teams do when this thread is specifically about the Patriots.
 
jWILL253 said:
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Just goddamn own it, for fuck sake.

Hell, if this thread is any indication, Patriots fans are the absolute worst fans in America.
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We don't have to own shit until the investigation is concluded. The only thing we know for sure is that 11 balls were deflated to the point that they weighed a little bit lighter (the difference is about a sheet of paper.) And offered one mm more in grip
 
Rupert Murdoch

Bill O'Reilly

Curt Schilling

All support the New England Patriots through this time of persecution.

Are you on the right side of history?
 
BaltimoreLarry said:
Absolutely! I don't think the penalty will be much of anything, but a penalty will be a declaration of guilt. Pats will be guilty of cheating, again. Then, all of the fans will be forced to own the fact they support a franchise of habitual cheaters. Them we're done with it.
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But it didn't matter!

Someone people with defective brains or dead hands can't tell the difference!

Other teams did bad stuff before us!

People are just jealous!

Wait until we have all of the facts (not just the facts we already have that look horrible).

Our coach (known cheater, scumbag, and fucker of married women) said he didn't know anything about the tampering of balls!

Did I miss anything?
 
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