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#DEFLATEGATE: Goodell never had any balls
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This is probably going to be the outcome - best part is the NFL will spend the next few months investigating and will come to the conclusion of 'we couldn't find any evidence of intentional tampering".
darkazcura
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He likes (loves) the Celtics, but he's probably one of the most negative Celtic fans out there. Actually, I'd say Simmons is one of the most if not the most pessimistic Boston media member. It's kind of funny that people outside of New England disregard him because he seems biased for Boston when to residents of New England, he seems anything but. It's weird, and I guess unfortunate for him.
Lol, no. He loves Boston sports, but at times, he can be one of the harshest critics for Boston sports, especially the Celtics when they are playing poorly. To most die-hard C's fans, Simmons comes across as out of touch and overly negative.
Trust me I get how it's different I'm just puttin up an equivalency. Brady COULDVE acted alone here.
This says more about Boston fans than about Simmons.
Inflammable Slinky
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are we seriously pretending that every team doesn't have massive amounts of PED use in their players? Are we really going to pretend that it really always is adderall that the player was caught for?
football is filled with steroids, and we don't care because it makes the games cooler
football is filled with steroids, and we don't care because it makes the games cooler
BaltimoreLarry
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I thought we were talking about the Pats possibly deflating footballs to gain a competitive advantage.
Was Wendell? Was Blount? Was Vereen?
Sure he noticed. That why he was 9/9 on his first few passes after halftime when the correct balls were used. Fucking stupid comments like this are so annoying. Stop assuming that Brady knew the balls were different just because you think he should've. On any given possession the ball's in his hands 3-4 seconds after it's snapped, usually shorter. QBs aren't obsessed about a difference of 2 PSI when they're trying to read defensive coverages in the rain with crowd noises and adrenaline going.
Or the refs who held the ball as long as anyone.
BaltimoreLarry
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Stop assuming Brady didn't know the balls were different just because it works best for your argument.
You see the thing is Brady's said he didn't notice a difference. Do you have any proof that he's lying? Didn't think so. Can you explain why he did better in the second half with the standard balls that he did in the first? Probably not, but I can't wait to hear your answer.
BearFlexington
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Cheat defense force in full effect.
DrForester
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Stop assuming Brady is this criminal mastermind, deflating balls on the sideline under his invisibility cloak just because it works best for your argument?
enanogrande
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Absurd statement. The teams (specifically the QBs) asked for the privilege of being able to bring their own game balls - in return, the NFL asks them to keep them within a certain set of standard parameters. If a team doesn't keep up their part of the bargain (in this case, keeping the balls at between 12.5-13.5 psi) then they should be fined, regardless of intent.
Inflammable Slinky
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i mean what's to talk about? belichick obviously cheated in a way that wasn't remotely necessary and hilariously blatant. frankly i think that owns.
Dreams-Visions
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"And, as the sun went down on a long day’s journey into nonsense, I’m sorry, but if you can’t see the humor in this preposterous burlesque, then you’re having nowhere near enough fun in showbiz."
I'm glad Simmons gets it.
The answer to that, of course, would be that he didn't *need* this preference/advantage but took it anyway. This ball thing, if he knew about it, probably provided more of a mental edge than an actual competitive one. As evidenced by his passing statistics.
Then again, I think people who think 2 PSI changes anything are borderline insane. It's not like Brady's accuracy was higher in the first half or something. It's much arguing about what amounts to nothing at all.
I agree with that. Fine them and be done with it. It should have never been anything more than a day story. The NFL's incompetence here is why it's taking so long.
Mighty Chin
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Personally as i stated on the last page I find this a stupid scandal.
My buddy just posted this on fb. Slog through it if you want.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932
My buddy just posted this on fb. Slog through it if you want.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932
Why do people keep going back to the point that he touches the ball for 3-4 seconds while the clock is running? Is he not allowed to touch a football at any other time?
Dreams-Visions
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They tend to show the QB's quite a bit on the sideline during games. They're not on the sideline throwing balls around. They're keeping warm, talking to coaches in the box about plays, looking at photos of formations, talking to teammates.
Only very rarely do you ever see a QB tossing passes on the sideline. Before the game starts, after halftime, maybe to keep loose in anticipation of a final drive if the defense can get the ball back or something. The amount of time a QB is going to be holding a ball in a game is very small. The likelihood of him *feeling* a ball enough or otherwise looking for issues to detect irregularities seems really small.
2 PSI -- as discussed by a number of Hall of Fame QBs over the last few days -- isn't something you notice unless you're looking for it. If Dan Marino, Doug Williams and others were hard pressed to suggest they feel a difference or believe it could have any impact whatsoever in game, why would it be anywhere near the mind of Tom Brady...who is thinking about plays, the wind, reading defenses, encouraging teammates, and trying to make sure he doesn't get murdered by a DT or blitzing DB as he tries to carry his team to the fucking Super Bowl?
The balls were below official PSI. They weren't throwing Nerf balls. They weren't throwing flat balls. They weren't covered in pine tar. When the officials noticed them, they were replaced, after which the asswhoopins continues as expected. OK. Fine them, NFL. Let's move along.
Now that's just cruel.
It's too late for that now. If they only get a fine, it will be more whinging about how the Pats have the NFL in their pocket.
Dreams-Visions
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Indeed. But again, that's all the NFL's fault. The length of their "investigation" makes it seem bigger than it is.
rokkerkory
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Pretty much
The investigation stuff came up way too late. Hard to think that they're not just sitting back and enjoying the attention. Worldwide coverage on air pressure.
24-Hour News Coverage and sensationalist reporting is to blame more than anything.
You have no proof that he isn't lying, so why the fuck even take this stance? Lol.
No one has said that.
Megalosaro
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Accusers have the burden of proof.
Guilty until proven innocent. Then just still assumed to be guilty with a heavy dose of conspiracy.
At this point either you believe Brady is being honest or not.
If anyone on the pats did decrease pressure it would be the ball-boy and he may have done it knowing his QB likes balls with lower pressure. It is perfectly reasonable to assume Brady had no knowledge.
Since the deflated balls offered no competitive advantage just slap the patriots with a fine and move along. We arent talking about match fixing here, just slightly deflated footballs.
Sure, but we won't know if he's telling the truth or not until the end of this investigation. I imagine the world wouldn't be in such great shape if we took the word of every person that's ever denied an accusation and settled on it without looking into it or speculating it in any way. But I don't believe everything stated in their conferences and will wait for the answers for further confirmation.
There is clearly something amiss. I can't run a polygraph on the Cheats, but Belichick could have shot this whole thing down and defended Tom. Instead he throws him under the bus and covers his own ass--it's not a good look and makes me think that there's more to be uncovered in this. I don't think I've ever seen a coach do something like that with a player he's had for so long--you expect loyalty. I did think it was hilarious and that he's a douche for doing so.
Then Tom comes out looking shook as fuck (I admit the press was equally terrible in that presser). Stuttering and looking lost. Whoever prepped him for that presser should go find a new job as it wasn't all that convincing or incriminating. It just sucked. I wonder if he was blindsided by his coach being an ass? Anyway, those are my two cents after the conferences. I think it was a happy blend of truth and bullshit.
Dion Blaster
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Haha exactly. He may say really harsh things about Boston teams but at the end of the day he's a massive homer.
Edit: But in a way that still makes him enjoyable to read as a California sports fan.
It's just their typical bullshit deflecting methods whenever they're backed into a corner.
teruterubozu
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Man, this thread's a broken record. Something needs to push the needle forward.
One could say that someone should pump some life into this thread.
andthebeatgoeson
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http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932
Brady is great at protecting his softballs. Historic, even.
Brady is great at protecting his softballs. Historic, even.
Well, these graphs are not really good, given it exclude a group of teams and only I think is only using fumble LOST and not total Fumbles, which is the real stat that you need to for what this Article is looking for, Pats, are never in first place in Fumbles, this Year first place as Vikings at 0.6 fumbles per game, Pats and 2 other teams tied with 0.9 per game. third place is 3 other team tied at 1.0 per game, Vikings are unusually low compared to the leagues average, I wonder.....
Vikings were caught heating the balls up on the sideline too... Blueballsgate?
He's updated the with the total fumbles both lost and recovered, and guess what the Patriots peformance is still statistically off the charts in comparison to the rest of the league.
And while he's not made the conclusion, the rule change to using own balls home and away occurred in the 2006-2007 offseason (at Brady and P.Mannings prompting: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...new-england-quarterback-competition-committee) the next year the Patriots propensity to fumble the ball dropped off the cliff, from slightly above league average to otherworldly.
darkazcura
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No, it says more about people who have an almost unhealthy obsession with hating Boston sports.
Simmons is clueless about the Celtics and overly negative. He loves them, and obviously shows support to them by far over any NBA team, but he is overly harsh about the moves the Celtics make and comes across as clueless. That simple. He's a homer to a fault I guess, because he has no understanding of what it takes to build a successful NBA team. He hated on the Celtics Nets deal two years ago, and just recently has been hyping up the James Young draft pick, which only occurred because we got a pick from the Nets. He's all over the place. He's inconsistent and short sighted. One thing is for sure though, he has no issue calling out the teams over here so to your point, how exactly is he a homer in the way you are painting him?
You shame your team. Smh
You can't just take it at fumbles per game, but use plays per fumble. Terrible teams that are barely on offense may hardly ever fumble just because they never have the ball much.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I guess everything is open to interpretation. I didn't really see it this way.
Saint Gregory
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If these stats are true I'm just wondering how it's possible for this to have gone for so long without caching anyone's attention. In a league that prides itself on parity you would think a single team sitting so far out of the norm in a statistic as important as turnovers would raise someone's eyebrows.
Thats my main problem with trying to extend the Deflated ball issue pass so many Years, Why no one noticed at all before?
He's updated the with the total fumbles both lost and recovered, and guess what the Patriots peformance is still statistically off the charts in comparison to the rest of the league.
And while he's not made the conclusion, the rule change to using own balls home and away occurred in the 2006-2007 offseason (at Brady and P.Mannings prompting: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...new-england-quarterback-competition-committee) the next year the Patriots propensity to fumble the ball dropped off the cliff, from slightly above league average to otherworldly.
And still doesnt account with the fact that they havent been in first place in Fumble, heck, last Year (2013) 23 teams had less fumbles than the Patriots, do we question the other 23 teams as well?
Why do they appear so High either way in this charts? what team can you say has been playing consistently since 2007? if the Pats always are in 2nd / 3rd place in fumbles with consistency, while the placement of the other team change drastically, then the graph should look like that. not to mention Patriots are more about the passing, I doubt that Belichick would tampered the Ball on something that could only hurt(?) their passing game, which was and still is the more important aspect of their gameplan.
At the end of the days, is basically Impossible to prove one or the other, So, its up to the everyone to decide, Am I saying is Impossible that Deflated Balls were there since 2007? no, its a possibility, But I just think its a stretch at this point.
Vikings only had 6 plays per game less than the Pats this season, not a big number given the Huge jump they have on other teams.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yall still going on about this lol? He gonna win his 4th ring then yall gonna be hating even harder.. the ball was so deflated that blount couldnt be tackled..
The Albatross
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Bounty reward system for injuring players is much more serious than 2PSI of a ball being inflated or deflated. And there's also no chance that some coaches don't know about a bounty system if there is one... D Line coaches, LB coach, defensive backs coach, if your players are talking about a bounty system, at least one of those coaches (or another specialty coach) knows about it. They pretty much live with the players for 17 weeks.
But, regardless, bounties for injuring players is a lot more serious than this issue.
People still looking for some kind of pattern to justify the conclusion that they've already come to. I still ask that with all of the fumbles lost and interceptions (44) since 2010, why is it that we only have one instance of someone reporting something to the NFL? And don't bring up that one alleged instance of the Colts maybe saying something in November. They didn't formally complain and the Ravens never said anything about deflated footballs either (they were referring to kicking balls, which the NFL is responsible for). Belichick is known for his strictness when it comes to fumbles (sitting players for entire games) because they use the worse balls possible in practice.He's updated the with the total fumbles both lost and recovered, and guess what the Patriots peformance is still statistically off the charts in comparison to the rest of the league.
And while he's not made the conclusion, the rule change to using own balls home and away occurred in the 2006-2007 offseason (at Brady and P.Mannings prompting: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...new-england-quarterback-competition-committee) the next year the Patriots propensity to fumble the ball dropped off the cliff, from slightly above league average to otherworldly.
Saint Gregory
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Ball security isn't a rocket science and Belichick isn't the only coach in the league that stresses the importance of ball security or benches players for fumbles. NE being #1 in ball security wouldn't be surprising given how well the team has played for over a decade but looking at that graph paints a picture of a serious anomaly that can't just be explained by coaching or practice.
Is the data being skewed somehow to show a greater disparity between NE and the other teams or is it accurate? Either way it's not definitive proof of anything but adds to the general impression that something strange is going on, especially if there was a significant increase in their ball security after the rule change.
It doesn't hurt their passing game at all. Brady has admitted at the time of the rule change that he likes his balls on the 'thin' side.
How do you explain the radical change in the Patriots handling consistency from pre 2006 to post 2007? Is it really just coincidence that that the ball rule change happened to come in place in 2007? The Patriots were largely just as successful during the early part of the 00's if not moreso, yet fumbled the ball more regularly.
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