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Ryse and many others.
Ryse though is a good example because both are just tech demos. I'd rather see a tech demo on
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Develop-Online: The Order: 1886 Dev Says "Internet Is The New Playground For Bullies"
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Ryse and many others.
Ryse though is a good example because both are just tech demos. I'd rather see a tech demo on
SlasherJPC
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I'm gonna order a steak, a bottle of wine, and play the shit out of The Order 1886 on Friday. It's gonna be amazing. I'll pay about half the price or more for the steak and wine, finish it within 30-60 minutes, then proceed to play The Order for another 6-7 hours till I finish it. The put my game back on the shelf until I play through it again.... go to the toilet later and flush away the steak and wine, only to ever eat steak and drink wine again, I have to purchase it once more. Do the math. LOL
He's not wrong. About the bullying at least. People are irrational angry about things online.
I reserve judgment if it's worth it's price until I play it. I'm looking forward to it, and if I'm disappointed, so be it.
Did The Order personally slight you? If you've played it, fine, but you're awful vocal about criticizing it for some reason.
It's your right to do so, it just seems personal for you.
I reserve judgment if it's worth it's price until I play it. I'm looking forward to it, and if I'm disappointed, so be it.
Did The Order personally slight you? If you've played it, fine, but you're awful vocal about criticizing it for some reason.
It's your right to do so, it just seems personal for you.
If we're already at that point then what more needs to be said?
Ehhh, he shouldn't have went with the analogy. He's still speaking about quality vs.quantity though they do say their game is around the same length as other TPS which is fine.
We also have video evidence of pretty much every major game being beaten in a couple of hours - does this mean they are short.
Did I miss something? It seems like despite the supposed short play time, people who got the game early are enjoying it.
Lol
Mushroomer25
Member
Even if you exclude the GG bullying (which is a whole 'nother tier of bullshit), I can safely say that plenty of recent games have gotten as much shit as The Order.
DriveClub. Titanfall. Destiny. DmC. No Man's Sky (and that one isn't even out yet).
The list goes on. Some of those games deserved the skepticism. Others didn't.
i dont think there was hate about ryse. the only think i can remember are the jokes not hate
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Criticizing a 60 dollar game for only offering 3-4 hours of gameplay = bullying
This takes persecution complexes to a whole new level.
This takes persecution complexes to a whole new level.
DrGonzo615
Banned
Well first of all, its shining a light on the ill will that some gamers might never see otherwise (not everybody frequents game forums and such). 2nd of all, it feeds trolls that are hating on the game for no reason other than to hate.
It just seems like bad business to try and defend your brand new game against haters before its even come out.
TheSlySoul
Member
Internet is both good and bad.
I will not judge The Order yet until I play it. The critics will tell me if I should wait until a sale.
Which it is looking like flash sale territory. I don't want to pay 60 for a 4 hour game.
I will not judge The Order yet until I play it. The critics will tell me if I should wait until a sale.
Which it is looking like flash sale territory. I don't want to pay 60 for a 4 hour game.
Well, welcome to the internet, Ready at Dawn :S
It's their first new IP for a studio used to making ports and handheld games based on well-received IPs. Some part of it could be inexperience but surely they would have expected that a short linear game at full price would have received heavy criticism.
It's their first new IP for a studio used to making ports and handheld games based on well-received IPs. Some part of it could be inexperience but surely they would have expected that a short linear game at full price would have received heavy criticism.
bananafactory
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I don't think it is. There's valid criticism out there but there is also bullying and unnecessary vitriol. Just peruse some of the Twitter or Youtube comments.
Freeman
Banned
Two stakes and a lot of hair.
The game Fuse, and it wasn't even that fucking bad a game (nothing mindblowing but nothing awful either).
I remember the amount of shit thrown at that game, Insomniac and JStevenson on GAF and it makes the treatment The Order has gotten look VERY tame.
SEGAvangelist
Member
They are kind of one in the same.
Dictator93
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JayhawkerStL
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Wait, how many hours of "standing around, absorbing in the atmosphere and marveling at the amazing visuals," are you expecting gamers to do in place of actual gameplay? Does this include the 2 1/2 hours of cutscenes?
Square Triangle
Member
You wanted to make a next gen title, be prepared accordingly for criticism.
...Well I guess that's one way to view it
FinalStageBoss
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Nerds talk shit on the internet, it is what it is. I'll play the game and make up my own mind.
And I'm sure you're going to thoroughly enjoy the whole process, right?
Shpeshal Nick
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Yep. There was no need to say anything. Let the game speak for itself. Hopefully street date gets broken today.
You know first it was "the black bars" now it's the length of the game and next week it will be the missing DLC. It's the fucking Internet and people love to moan about things they probably have no interest in it in the first place. The trick is not to get bothered by the trolls too much and pick the constructive and valid criticism out so that maybe your next game could become even better.
I really hate this kind of comparison, it's so fucking stupid.
In order for it to remotely work, you have to assume that both your steak is really fucking good and worth the $100 you're asking, and also that the only alternative is all-you-can-eat of shit steaks.
Is this the case? Highly subjective.
I'd argue that Dark Souls is a $100 steak (that got way cheaper over time, just like The Order will) with so many fucking kg that you can feed your entire family. What then? What when you have two high quality steaks for the same price, but one offers a lot more? Is he now inclined to agree that maybe his game isn't worth the price? I don't think he is.
And I'm not even touching the fact that many people will inevitably think that his steak is the bad one, and also expensive as shit.
I really hate the point he's trying to make.
I do agree that the hate towards their game jumps through hoops to keep hating, definitely. But that's the case with every game, really, especially exclusives. Even if the games aren't actually very good, if they were multiplatform by some random dev, people would just ignore them.
But there's also the other side of the coin, those games also have a blind defense force that will defend that game with their lives, even if they actually deserve the criticism.
Remember the The Last of Us review thread and the Polygon score? That was very embarrassing. I adore The Last of Us, and I completely disagree with Polygon's score, but that does not justify shitting on their opinion before I even got a chance to play the game they supposedly at the very least finished once.
And they were actually the first ones to talk about infinite ammo scripted sequences, which didn't bother me nearly as much as it did bother them apparently, but it's still a thing in the game that no one else remembered to mention. They weren't making shit up to justify their score, and even if they were, how the hell would we know before playing the game?
But of course everyone will focus on how the internet is mean. Who would complain about people blindly defending their product, even when they don't know anything about it? It's Ubisoft's dream, I guess.
To talk about The Order specifically, remember the whole "no people of other races in London"? Both sides looked incredibly stupid when the game actually have minorities in it. Both the side trying to take offense to it and the side defending the fact that the game didn't have minorities because it was more immersive or whatever the fuck they came up with as excuses.
They specifically mentioned GAF in another interview, we're not talking about the ridiculous bullshit they have to deal with on youtube or twitter, with thing like threats to developers being somewhat common place.
If we were, I don't think anyone would disagree, to the point where it would be pointless talking about it.
EDIT: It was actually this same interview.
In order for it to remotely work, you have to assume that both your steak is really fucking good and worth the $100 you're asking, and also that the only alternative is all-you-can-eat of shit steaks.
Is this the case? Highly subjective.
I'd argue that Dark Souls is a $100 steak (that got way cheaper over time, just like The Order will) with so many fucking kg that you can feed your entire family. What then? What when you have two high quality steaks for the same price, but one offers a lot more? Is he now inclined to agree that maybe his game isn't worth the price? I don't think he is.
And I'm not even touching the fact that many people will inevitably think that his steak is the bad one, and also expensive as shit.
I really hate the point he's trying to make.
I do agree that the hate towards their game jumps through hoops to keep hating, definitely. But that's the case with every game, really, especially exclusives. Even if the games aren't actually very good, if they were multiplatform by some random dev, people would just ignore them.
But there's also the other side of the coin, those games also have a blind defense force that will defend that game with their lives, even if they actually deserve the criticism.
Remember the The Last of Us review thread and the Polygon score? That was very embarrassing. I adore The Last of Us, and I completely disagree with Polygon's score, but that does not justify shitting on their opinion before I even got a chance to play the game they supposedly at the very least finished once.
And they were actually the first ones to talk about infinite ammo scripted sequences, which didn't bother me nearly as much as it did bother them apparently, but it's still a thing in the game that no one else remembered to mention. They weren't making shit up to justify their score, and even if they were, how the hell would we know before playing the game?
But of course everyone will focus on how the internet is mean. Who would complain about people blindly defending their product, even when they don't know anything about it? It's Ubisoft's dream, I guess.
To talk about The Order specifically, remember the whole "no people of other races in London"? Both sides looked incredibly stupid when the game actually have minorities in it. Both the side trying to take offense to it and the side defending the fact that the game didn't have minorities because it was more immersive or whatever the fuck they came up with as excuses.
They specifically mentioned GAF in another interview, we're not talking about the ridiculous bullshit they have to deal with on youtube or twitter, with thing like threats to developers being somewhat common place.
If we were, I don't think anyone would disagree, to the point where it would be pointless talking about it.
EDIT: It was actually this same interview.
There is absolutely no reason on their behalf that they might be facing criticism. None whatsoever. That's an impossible notion. Remember when everyone was bullying Wolfenstein: New Order? You don't? Well, try harder. It's just random aggression.
meanspartan
Member
Isnt the basic rules of trolls not to feed them?
RAD just gave them a steak.
RAD just gave them a steak.
Primethius
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ReplacementPelican
Member
This thread has sort of proven their point, hasn't it? People do have a major hate-on for this game.
Glass jaw? For the better part of a year they've dealt with (with aplomb I might say) insane criticism about their game. Yet they finally respond to this morass of negativity and all of a sudden they've got "glass jaws. . ."
Please.
I certainly hope the reviewers don't blindly follow the negative hype and review the game for its own merits and faults.
From what I hear about people actually playing the game, it's quite good, with a few defaults that don't prevent them from really enjoying the game. Really hoping the game turn out great, and that the reviews reflect that. RaD doesn't deserve the unfounded shit storm they faced ever since they first presented their game...
To be honest, the gaming community as a whole should be ashamed of the way we treated this game - and any pseudo controversial high profile exclusive game for that matter.
From what I hear about people actually playing the game, it's quite good, with a few defaults that don't prevent them from really enjoying the game. Really hoping the game turn out great, and that the reviews reflect that. RaD doesn't deserve the unfounded shit storm they faced ever since they first presented their game...
To be honest, the gaming community as a whole should be ashamed of the way we treated this game - and any pseudo controversial high profile exclusive game for that matter.
The steak analogy is weird. Normally you don't expect millions of people to pay a hundred dollars for a steak. Console gaming is supposed to be an affordable and approachable form of the gaming hobby, so making analogies with ultra premium products that're entirely unreachable for the average consumer really defies all logic.
That said, I do agree that many people are too vehement in their criticism. It's very possible to rely an honest appraisal of a game or company, without venturing into personally insulting territory.
That said, I do agree that many people are too vehement in their criticism. It's very possible to rely an honest appraisal of a game or company, without venturing into personally insulting territory.