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Develop: PC VR sales has almost ground to a halt
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Because the novelty will wear off. Then what will be left if the quality of the software... Which, though I admit has been limited as far as my experiences, seems to be lacking.
I played a Rift demo a few months ago and was blown away initially. I just don't know if it has lasting power.
The tech is here to stay, but people need to adjust their perception of what VR in the mainstream means. The tech is here to stay and will offer increasingly refined experiences. But the vast majority of people will NEVER play through long, tradtional video games on it. Try to remove your idea of VR success from the videogames market.
Not a surprise.
I have access to a friend's Vive and it's cool to mess around with for an afternoon, but the price tag is a big ask, especially since my PC can't run VR (okay, mid-range GPUs from this gen on are VR-ready, but that just means ready for the tech demos out now, most of the games adopt a style which isn't graphically taxing.)
There's also no real full games, Fallout 4 is coming but given how that game runs anyway I can't imagine playing it without feeling sick.
The biggest issue for me with the actual tech is the problem of space: teleporting in every roomscale game is a real bummer and can't work for every full length, narrative game because of how it affects ~immersion~.
I hope that PSVR has some sort of success, because while it won't be that great it will at least get a wider market on board.
E: I hope that in a few years it's an actual thing, I dunno if I'd wanna play everything in VR, but I do enjoy the actual experience in general.
I have access to a friend's Vive and it's cool to mess around with for an afternoon, but the price tag is a big ask, especially since my PC can't run VR (okay, mid-range GPUs from this gen on are VR-ready, but that just means ready for the tech demos out now, most of the games adopt a style which isn't graphically taxing.)
There's also no real full games, Fallout 4 is coming but given how that game runs anyway I can't imagine playing it without feeling sick.
The biggest issue for me with the actual tech is the problem of space: teleporting in every roomscale game is a real bummer and can't work for every full length, narrative game because of how it affects ~immersion~.
I hope that PSVR has some sort of success, because while it won't be that great it will at least get a wider market on board.
E: I hope that in a few years it's an actual thing, I dunno if I'd wanna play everything in VR, but I do enjoy the actual experience in general.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
When the most impressive thing I've played in Rift is a VR hack of the original Doom you've got a long way to go.
Still excited at possibilities, but that's all they are...
Still excited at possibilities, but that's all they are...
wapplew
Member
Or these early attempts set us back 20 years again.
sixteen-bit
Member
not a mass-market friendly price
AwesomeMeat
PossumMeat
VR is awesome. That is all I have to contribute.
Wii U, oculus and Vive also sold out within hours. Preorders are a poor indicator of mainstream success.
I do hope that the PSVR sells well though.
What in the world are you talking about.
AwesomeMeat
PossumMeat
That is mostly what I'm playing now. A ton of elite dangerous in VR. I just picked up Onward but haven't had a chance to get in to it yet.
The Maverick
Member
No killer apps
Expensive price
Rigs required to run VR are pricy
This is generation one. Anyone going in with the expectation that this will set the world on fire is dreaming. PSVR will do decently, but we're still talking about a niche here. Now the next generation of headsets should be the one to start the mainstream adoption.
Expensive price
Rigs required to run VR are pricy
This is generation one. Anyone going in with the expectation that this will set the world on fire is dreaming. PSVR will do decently, but we're still talking about a niche here. Now the next generation of headsets should be the one to start the mainstream adoption.
RealityPales
Member
Saw this coming from a mile away.
It'll happen with PlayStation VR, too.
It'll happen with PlayStation VR, too.
That's not the Wii.
I mean, we are talking avout the same Quo that sold more software than either the 360 and PS3 in its lifetime...right?
DangerStepp
Member
There are some really cool experiences/games in VR, unfortunately they are few and far between and the ones I would like to check out are usually overpriced and Early Access.
Hopefully, we're on the cusp of a glut of new releases to be seen soon.
Hopefully, we're on the cusp of a glut of new releases to be seen soon.
Yup yup. Even prices for the current software and tech demos being sold as games are quite expensive. Give it another 5 years for the tech to mature a bit more and for devs to catch up with the hardware, software-wise.
/Jealous
The prematurely smug, "I told you so" posts in this thread are really infuriating. Not sure why so many people seem invested in seeing VR fail. Does it offend you all in some way?
pretty much
AR has way more practicality and uses than blinding oneself to the world to see another.
VR seems to follow the classic adoption model for new technologies, so I'm not sure why anyone is surprised (or gloating) about this. The first generation are only going to be purchased by early adopters, so their success or failure has little bearing on how successfulness of the technology in the long run. And really VR is a technology for the long run - it has gaming applications, but that's only the tip of the iceberg for all the opportunities it opens up.
I'm a VR enthusiast, but I'm going to skip the first generation devices because I know that the subsequent ones will be that much better.
I'm a VR enthusiast, but I'm going to skip the first generation devices because I know that the subsequent ones will be that much better.
Maintenance
Member
AR will die ever harder with a 3k price tag.
To those saying this is gen 1... It really isn't
The tech has been worked on for many many years and has evolved to this point.
Same with 1080p TVs..... 4kTVs
Over time the prices drop with cheaper better manufacturing.
The tech has been worked on for many many years and has evolved to this point.
Same with 1080p TVs..... 4kTVs
Over time the prices drop with cheaper better manufacturing.
cleveridea
Member
There are not "no games" on VR. Chronos is incredible game, and the sense of being in the world is something that would be greatly diminished in non-VR due to the natural greater sense of scale in VR.
Damaged core shows that shooters can work and look great in VR even without touch controllers (I thought only when rift touch controllers came out would there be a shooter worth playing, but this game really surprised and impress me and with no nausea at all)
Edge of nowhere is a full quality game that isnt just a short minigame or experience.
Defense grid 2 works incredibly well in VR, and I would love to see an xcom game using the same VR mode.
And thats without touch controllers. Check out the Vive thread for impression on Raw Data and its almost entirely rave reviews.
Damaged core shows that shooters can work and look great in VR even without touch controllers (I thought only when rift touch controllers came out would there be a shooter worth playing, but this game really surprised and impress me and with no nausea at all)
Edge of nowhere is a full quality game that isnt just a short minigame or experience.
Defense grid 2 works incredibly well in VR, and I would love to see an xcom game using the same VR mode.
And thats without touch controllers. Check out the Vive thread for impression on Raw Data and its almost entirely rave reviews.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Yes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5L6Qy1CoVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUQTzk3BXho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6dShyUAhjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxa7-7jeWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFSglDMKaj8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_2gXaY4eYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sY0J-7Nc-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hmY0fbbBtw
The first video alone while short has over 3m views. It's reaching public eyes.
Maintenance
Member
That's a fact for any product, VR or AR. When AR glasses or headsets are under 500-800$ then we can talk.
This point is just insane though, like the tech won't evolve. AR headsets have the FOV of a postage stamp, but that's the current tech. It doesn't mean it will have that forever.
You're wasting your breath. People aren't interested in being corrected on this point. VR has no games as far as everyone here is concerned. Period. Also, it's completely an anti social experience (nevermind the PSVR social screen/social asynchronous multiplayer games).
cleveridea
Member
The truth is, in my experience anyone that tries a cool VR experience (there are some bad ones so if they try the wrong thing I can get that they get motion sick for example) is blown away.
I was shocked that my mother was amazed by just Gear VR (at the time I didn't have a Rift) and she hates technology of all kinds, doenst like videogames etc.
Before I tried VR I thought "oh its just a nicer version of 3D TV" but no. Its a huge deal once you try the right content. PSVR will help all platforms since third parties like Ubisoft with Star Trek are going to target all the platforms to try and find a market large enough that it makes sense moneywise.
Don't be too upset over this. It's a defensive mechanism when a technology comes out and is uncomfortable to a certain group of people. VR seems more of a threat to them because they don't want to play games using headsets, and they're afraid that all games will move in that direction. The premature pronouncements are more amusing than anything else. It's like people scoffing at the idea of radio when it first came out.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Can I make a eat crow thread in 2017 when PSVR sells well?
With mods permission of course.
I will likewise do a avatar bet or horrible tag if I am wrong.
YOOOO that headset in that last pic looks like possibly a new Playstation headset?! Looks like it could last vs the Playstation foolsgold
I am just saying there's for more uses for AR and when it does come down and gets better it should be the new thing that takes off really.
But currently there's more issues than just pricing right now that needs to be solved.
SomedayTheFire
Member
I would love a headset, but they're far too expensive for my blood. 599 or 899 are far too limiting for me. Maybe PSVR will suit me, but I'd want to play on PC too :-/
The thing that's held me back has mostly been the motion sickness. I get easily motion sick and vr is no exception. I think it's been hard for developers to work around that limitation. If they can solve the motion sickness problem, a lot of restraints will be lifted off of devs and we'll see way more game releases on vr I think.
Eating ginger or taking Dramamine isn't a casual audience solution.
Eating ginger or taking Dramamine isn't a casual audience solution.
VR support == VR exclusive. I'm not spending more money on a product just to """"""enhance""""""" my experience with a game
And if it did become exclusive, looks like I'm not buying one either lol
I imagine that AR will have more real world applications and VR will be better for games. While there's going to be some overlap over how the technologies work and what they can do, they're fundamentally trying to solve two different problems.
cleveridea
Member
It's solved already if you design a game around VR first. All the Vive room scale games have no nausea (like Raw Data) and Rift games designed around it work without any nausea - Chronos in particular, however I was surprised how good Damaged Core looks and plays as a FPS and it also has zero nausea.
There are already tools to make exploration and movement work without nausea too, such as the teleport mechanics or something like Chronos that uses a fixed camera view (ie camera can pan around, but not move).
I don't think so. Maybe we can get 4k sports broadcast more than 5 times a year first.
Pretty much. Though I don't think VR is really going to take off in our lifetime.
Im thinking more into the future to the point where you feel truly like you are there physically. Also when the tech become portable with little to no need for wires.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
VR sports broadcasts are most likely exponentially more interesting to the general public than 4k.
cleveridea
Member
The irony to me is that I consider Chronos by far the best VR game I have played and that style of game would work so well with Resident Evil its ridiculous. When your character is close to the camera, the detail is incredible - so I think the classic fixed camera mode of the early resident evils would work great with VR (whereas the free movement first person view they are using is an easy way to cause motion sickness).
Although the camera is fixed in its location, you can still pan around by turning your head and change your POV slightly by moving your head, so its not like going back ward to a non-3D feeling environment like those old games.
A Chronos quality Resident Evil VII on PSVR could be the killer app, and its very frustrating to see them using a high nausea movement technique versus 0 nausea thats already been used in a game available to buy a long time ago.
Although the camera is fixed in its location, you can still pan around by turning your head and change your POV slightly by moving your head, so its not like going back ward to a non-3D feeling environment like those old games.
A Chronos quality Resident Evil VII on PSVR could be the killer app, and its very frustrating to see them using a high nausea movement technique versus 0 nausea thats already been used in a game available to buy a long time ago.
OrbitalBeard
Member
This doesn't surprise me at all. Even on GAF, interest in VR seems almost completely gone, save for a small group of hardcore early adopters.
It's going to be many years before VR takes off.
It's going to be many years before VR takes off.